Replace OS X with LM Rebecca - Cinnamon

Discussion in 'Windows, Linux & Others on the Mac' started by Linus MacWinfre, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. Linus MacWinfre macrumors newbie

    Dec 14, 2014

    I am about to entirely replace OS X with Linux. I am pretty clued up as an experienced Linux user but far from being a true geek.

    Mac: I like the hardware but not the OS. So I am not really interested in dual-booting at all.

    Current MacbookPro (Mavericks) is a 2012 i5 2.5GHz with 4GB DDR and an aftermarket WD 1TB HDD and Mint 17.1 LiveSession runs rather well.

    Also considering a new MacbookPro 15" 2.2Ghz i7 Quad with 16GB DDR, IrisPro and a 256GB SSD.


    Is there any reason NOT to replace the entire OS X?

    Will the Macbook allow replacing OS X?

    How well does Linux (Mint) handle the Retina display? Will it at least do 1920x1080 resolution, or can Linux go higher?
  2. yjchua95 macrumors 604

    Apr 23, 2011
    GVA, KUL, MEL (current), ZQN
    It's always wise to have OS X around in a small partition for the sake of updating the EFI and SMC.
  3. 556fmjoe macrumors 65816


    Apr 19, 2014
    You can definitely replace OS X with Mint. I did this for a while on my 2011 non-Retina. Everything worked out of the box, including wireless. It should definitely handle 1920x1080, and probably will go higher, but I haven't tried it.

    Keeping OS X around allows you to receive EFI updates, but I never bothered.
  4. mercuryjones macrumors 6502a

    May 31, 2005
    College Station, TX

    There's no reason NOT to, but it seems like a waste of time and money to buy a MacBook Pro and then not run OS X on it, at least in a dual boot scenario. I mean, save yourself some money and buy a cheaper windows laptop and just run Linux on that.
    The whole purpose of getting a Mac, is to have the overall integration between software and hardware.
  5. Linus MacWinfre, Dec 18, 2014
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2014

    Linus MacWinfre thread starter macrumors newbie

    Dec 14, 2014
    Linux is the best "Mac OS" on a Mac!

    Experience taught me the opposite
    . :eek:

    After having spent a fortune, at 55% premium over US retail, software updates on both ML and iOS6-iOS7.xx crippled so many functionalities that I sold my iPhone 5 and bought a much better functioning device at eleven times less than the cost of the 5. The cheap Chinese phone even came with a very thick, strong one metre long USB cable, unlike the Fraying Flimsy OEM Apple cables that also are seen as "this is not an Apple device" by Apple devices. The mess iCloud, which I was forced to be using in a country with hardly any "cloud", invoked the ire of thousands of users globally. It did the same with Notes, Calendar and Contacts. Apple to this day has not even properly restored local sync via wireless or USB, only some of it.

    We invested into Apple:apple: to avoud using Google. Our Apples only worked right when using Google, in the end. :rolleyes:

    Steve Jobs took Apple to the grave and left us with the ghostly semblance of a once prime brand. Tim Cook and his tribe of directors also do not respond to user complaints; in Linux, I had very friendly exchanges with the developers/project leaders of AriOS (Mahdi) and Clem (Mint.) as well as UltimateOS, MakuluLinux, PearOS and Zorin, as well as a smaller one in the USA. How easy is it to chat online with Mr Cook?

    I love Mac but will only use it when Cupertino really takes and interest and restore it to its former glory.

    When I was a kid five decades ago, I saw how chickens could still run around wildly after their heads were chopped off. I did not like it then and I do not like it now.

    Hardware for Linux:

    Linux is even more stable and secure than Mac OS but there are T's & C's to consider.

    • User-friendly distro's are limited to Mint & Zorin
    • Out of 300 distro's, people choose what is popular. Herd mentality never is a good thing.
    • Mac is not Linux, or the other way around, despite popular belief. Expectations should be realistic.
    • The very BEST Linux I ever had was on a Mac.
    • The most stable, secure, reliable, predictable OS experience I ever had was Linux Mint 13 - 17.1
    • Combining best Linux with best Intel hardware makes sense!

    My son is using his MBP for VJ'ing and he just loves Resolume Arena and similar DJ/VJ applications, as well as a few items from Adobe.

    In Linux, one can have a system and never even need to update it to a next version as what you have will keep working forever until you break it, or hardware fails. Security patches are all that is needed. If a good MBP will last me 10 years, I will have an excellent stable and reliable ecosystem for a decade. I only need what I have now which is not really more than I had been using ten or twenty years ago. A basic browser, an office suite and that's about it.

    If the MBP can accept a second HDD or mSATA, I need just 32GB (which is double my software + user data) to get ahead. Therefore, if I can stick in a 64GB SSD/mSATA next to MBP's own, I can enjoy best of both worlds.

    Why use Linux then instead of Mac OS?

    Linux does not nag updates and neither require them forcibly. It requires almost 5GB including all application software - full office suite, mail client, graphic design/photo editing, PDF reader, web browser, etc. It comes with a LOT of software installed and does not fill 5GB. It loads into about 360MB RAM (64-BIT) and much less in 32-BIT. Maybe around 170MB. Filling up 1-2GB RAM does not happen often, even with fairly heavy use. It also is even more secure against malware than Mac but that is irrelevant as even Macs don't get infected easily. I am typing here on an old eMachines with 2GB DDR and a weakling CPU called AMD Athlon x64 800MHz and the very latest Linux Mint just flies! :cool:

    On the i5 MBP (non-retina) it is about 3x faster than Mavs! (I wonder how this machine would do on Yos? We are reluctant to upgrade = "lessons learnt.")

    Questions from my side:
    • Is 15" that much better than 13", is the price difference justified?
    • Is Gforce GT750M that much better than Iris Pro that I need the dGPU? Cost difference is quite a few US$ and a fortune in my currency.

    My son has an iPhone 5S and he is on iOS8 and Mavs on his MBP. The S is a much better product than my 5 was. We already cannot get the 5S here, only 5C, 6 and 6S. I don't want the 6's so it will be an Experia Z3 most likely, to take the place of the cheap but satisfactory Chinese interim measure.

    The 5 had haywire wireless connectivity, power button went sour faster than farm milk in a thunderstrom and the GPS placed Cape Town just north of London. It is the most ridiculous gadget of any kind that I had ever owned. Tomorrow, a year ago, I received it NEW and had sold it by April this year, for a Huawei Ascend Y300 costing US$89 at the time.

    MBP: the closest comparable devie to a 15" MBP Retina is a Dell Inspiron 7537, which costs about half the price and has double the USB ports, a full-sized backlit keyboard and should be a wiser buy than the Apple because of cost savings. It also comes with a 3-year on-site warranty. In my country, I cannot even buy the real Apple iCare of whatever it is called.

    The MBP, however, just works out of the box with Linux Mint and I am in love with its design, that svelte keyboard, the perceived quality and how it feels to the touch. No logic there, just sentiment directing my wallet! :D

    IF - a big IF - Mac will be more predictable and MS Office for Mac retains Outlook in its off-line capable format, I might consider it. Outlook is the ONE piece of software that Seattle ever got right. Mac & Linux lags behind, with Linux depending upon quirky Thunderbird and unstable Evolution while Mac's mail client is a fork of Geary (Linux) which is a toy from ............ Google!

    IBM bought the fantastic Lotus Organizer (and the enter Smartsuite) and shelved it. What were they thinking?

    So: here I am comparing Apples with Apples as far as screen sizes and GPU's are concerned. If anyone can help me choose between:

    1. MBP 13" i5 US$1,467
    2. MBP 15" 2.2GHz Iris Pro US$2,058
    3. MBP 15" with Geforce GT750M US$2,791

    Eyesight is weakening and a bigger screen will be better but I can set up an external backlit LED 27" plus Kanex Keyboard + Magic Mouse for much less than the cheapest 15" will cost.

    EDIT: my wife, my son and I all may be inetrested in taking up photography as a serious hobby and we may need to edit photo's and also video footage we collect.
  6. mercuryjones macrumors 6502a

    May 31, 2005
    College Station, TX
    Again, it sounds like you would be much better off going with a cheaper Windows alternative, and then putting whichever flavor of Linux on it as you'd like. Save you money and the headache of giving that money to a company that you most obviously don't believe in or trust anymore.

    As for calling Tim Cook up, I'm pretty sure that the only reason you can talk to these other people, is the simply fact that they aren't running a company worth multi billions of dollars. True me, if they were, you'd have just as hard of a time as getting in contact with them as well.

    I wish you all the luck in your endeavor to find the right machine for you.
  7. Linus MacWinfre thread starter macrumors newbie

    Dec 14, 2014
    Thanks, I am always factoring in the Windows platforms. After all, most of these are built from the same components and are easier repairable than Macbooks. But getting a decent quality backlit keyboard and a ful HD display (15.6") brings it into 13" MBP Retina territory - with less than $100 difference.

    Yeah, I understand why dearest old Tim is not accessible but so is the rest of Apple. It is easier getting sorted here on MacRumours :D

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