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Everyone seems to forget that the whole point of instituting tariffs is that they're RECIPROCOL.

The goal is to get everyone to say, "hey let's just do 0% and let free trade work"
it wouldn’t matter if countries offered zero tariffs on cars for example or else he would have accepted that from the EU
They want for example the EU to accept their food because they keep highlighting that on certain American TV stations
 
If you order any custom config Mac, it’s still coming direct from Shanghai.

Apple will probably raises prices very soon at least on Macs. Can’t sustain 104% for long.
I’m in the market for an Air but don’t quite need it yet. Think it’s time to get my order in quickly. Although I’m in the UK, I worry that Apple will seek to minimise the impact of tariffs into the US by increasing prices worldwide. Share out the pain, as it were.
 
Tariffs are applied based on the country of origin and not the intermediary country you move the goods through. So this would not get around the tariffs unless Apple commits fraud by declaring the goods were manufactured in Canada when they were not.
With Canada, the suggestion was to enable those in the US, to buy from Canada.
 
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Did Corning airlift their ceramic shields to China? Otherwise they will be subject to a 34% tariff, to be assembled and returned to the US (as part of an iPhone) subject to another 104% tariff.

Apple may decide to use a cheaper local supplier for screen protection rather than pay the extra. It may well make Corning uncompetitive and result in a loss of jobs in the US.

What a world we live in 🤔

It doesn’t work that way because China has specialized zones called EPZs for assembly of exported products. There are no tariffs for inputs going in. That’s why they’re basically cities of their own.
 
Everyone seems to forget that the whole point of instituting tariffs is that they're RECIPROCOL.

The goal is to get everyone to say, "hey let's just do 0% and let free trade work"
They're not. Have you seen the equation?
  • It doesn’t take into account the current tariff rates or actual tariff structures of either party
  • It’s based solely on the trade deficit
  • Specifically, the deficit in physical goods only (ignoring services)
  • And even if a country has a trade surplus - meaning it buys more from the U.S. - it still gets hit with a 10% tariff
So no, this isn’t a "reciprocal tariff", because it’s not based on existing tariff levels. Neither their percentage rates nor the actual monetary value those rates generate.
 
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It doesn’t work that way because China has specialized zones called EPZs for assembly of exported products. There are no tariffs for inputs going in. That’s why they’re basically cities of their own.
Ireland had similar in the past centred around Shannon airport in the West of Ireland. I wonder will that continue in the current environment.
 
Did Corning airlift their ceramic shields to China? Otherwise they will be subject to a 34% tariff, to be assembled and returned to the US (as part of an iPhone) subject to another 104% tariff.

Apple may decide to use a cheaper local supplier for screen protection rather than pay the extra. It may well make Corning uncompetitive and result in a loss of jobs in the US.

What a world we live in 🤔

None of the Chinese copies of Corning cover glass are comparable- not that I would put this kind of penny pinching beyond Tim Cook.
 
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I’m in the market for an Air but don’t quite need it yet. Think it’s time to get my order in quickly. Although I’m in the UK, I worry that Apple will seek to minimise the impact of tariffs into the US by increasing prices worldwide. Share out the pain, as it were.

There’s so much more brand competition for phones and computers outside the U.S. that Apple isn’t likely to share the pain that way.
 
They're not. Have you seen the equation?
  • It doesn’t take into account the current tariff rates or actual tariff structures of either party
  • It’s based solely on the trade deficit
  • Specifically, the deficit in physical goods only (ignoring services)
  • And even if a country has a trade surplus - meaning it buys more from the U.S. - it still gets hit with a 10% tariff
So no, this isn’t a "reciprocal tariff", because it’s not based on existing tariff levels. Neither their percentage rates nor the actual monetary value those rates generate.
Facts don’t matter to most of these folks. They will mumble about you getting fake news from the mainstream media and how the Deep State is manipulating the official numbers, and the globalists at the WTO. Then they will go about their merry way, content in their faith in Trump, the messiah.
 
Don't tell the environmentalists that China creates 30% of the CO2 emissions contributing to global warming.
But when you do, do tell them that China is producing massive amounts of products for the rest of the world which essentially moves these country's CO2 emissions into China, as well as for its own massive population and that meanwhile, the US is responsible for 12% of CO2 emissions, despite having a population less then a quarter of the size of China and does not come even close to the amount China has to produce for the rest of the world, all while also pretending that CO2 emissions are not a problem and is actively working to use more coal, meanwhile China is actively working to move its energy sources to renewables.

...which I guess is a bit less convenient for that narrative.

(It also ignores that, while China is a big emitter now, historically, it hasn't caught up to the emissions the US has pushing out. China is responsible for 13% of total emissions in history, the US for 25%.)
 
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With Canada, the suggestion was to enable those in the US, to buy from Canada

U.S. customs would make any savings irrelevant. The model number and bands are different. And iPhone 17 Pros will be so easy to spot. Americans are going to pay that extra $500 or $1,000 for their iPhone this September. No way around it.
 
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Did Corning airlift their ceramic shields to China? Otherwise they will be subject to a 34% tariff, to be assembled and returned to the US (as part of an iPhone) subject to another 104% tariff.

Apple may decide to use a cheaper local supplier for screen protection rather than pay the extra. It may well make Corning uncompetitive and result in a loss of jobs in the US.

What a world we live in 🤔
So true. BTW I thought they also had manufacturing plants in Taiwan and Japan, so maybe they used glass from there (not sure what's exactly produced there), or shipped it from the U.S. before the Chinese tariffs took effect (have they gone into effect yet, anyway?).

Anyway, this all could actually result in the complete opposite of what Trump voters want. The Kentucky plant might end up lowering its output to supply iPhones solely for U.S. domestic production, while Chinese assembly lines could be provided with Corning glass from Japan, Taiwan, or other countries to avoid potential reciprocal tariffs on U.S. goods in China. For sales of assembled "Chinese" iPhones in non-U.S. markets (which is majority of Apple sales).
 
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it wouldn’t matter if countries offered zero tariffs on cars for example or else he would have accepted that from the EU
They want for example the EU to accept their food because they keep highlighting that on certain American TV stations
What? I would never buy anything American to eat. I love the US, been there a few times and have many American friends, but boy your food is just sugar, fat, colors and poison!
 
Apple is a pretty solid corporation, they will survive this. Smaller companies that rely on shipping directly from China to the US ( and from there to the rest of the world) ? A lot are going to close doors.
Thanks Orange Clown !
 
Well our tariffs for chinese import remain the same. So unless apple decides to offset the increase in US prices by increasing the prices globally, I don’t think there is a whole lot of reasons to pay more.
Courage!

They will find a way to;)
 
Don't tell the environmentalists that China creates 30% of the CO2 emissions contributing to global warming.
Last time I checked, China had about the same CO2 emissions per person as we do here in Germany, around 8 tons. Americans, on the other hand, emit almost twice as much, at about 15 tons per person. And I’m guessing we are further reducing emissions year by year with renewable energy, unlike the US, where Donald still dreams of “clean American coal.” LOL!
 
Interesting how this will play out if let's say you order a mac in Europe where there are no tariffs- if the device is assembled and shipped directly from china.. will the prices eventually be lower than in the US, or are they gonna spread the load across all customers globally to ease the pain for the American customer base?
 
If you order any custom config Mac, it’s still coming direct from Shanghai.

Apple will probably raises prices very soon at least on Macs. Can’t sustain 104% for long.
I think they might have shipped some more popular custom versions in as well. I check an M4 Mac Studio with a 40 core CPU, 64GB Memory, and a 1 TB SSD- and delivery was like in four days- that is awfully fast for such a product. When I ordered mine a few days after launch it took almost three times that.

My guess is 1) Tim and Company are furiously working the phones to get an exemption, and 2) they are hoping that Congress puts an end to this insanity - and support for doing so is growing. At least seven GOP senators and a dozen GOP Congresspeople are supporting bills that would end the so called "emergency" that allows for these tariffs. So they have the votes to pass something, but in the House, the Speaker needs to allow it to come to the floor for a vote; and then they need to add more Republican support if it a piece of legislation that Trump has to sign. He would surely veto it; for an override, they need 67 votes in the Senate and 290 in the House.

There is another option that is also making a move through Congress: A Joint Resolution. Those are a joint statement of both houses of Congress and have the force of law and do not require a Presidential signature. A formal declaration of war is a Joint Resolution.

(Note: I didn't get that information about Congressional powers from TikTok, I was a teacher of US government and history for 32 years.)
 
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I have no fear about Big Tariffs and the resultant lack of new technology. Because, I still have my slide-rules and my grandfather's slide rules! Maybe I should start a YouTube channel on "How To Slide-Rule". No batteries required. /s
(Yes, I'm a memory hoarder.)
 
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Everyone seems to forget that the whole point of instituting tariffs is that they're RECIPROCOL.

The goal is to get everyone to say, "hey let's just do 0% and let free trade work"
That's what everyone keeps telling themselves to calm each other down.. I dont think that this is the goal.. I firmly believe Trump wants a new world order in which the costs for companies to produce globally is just so prohibitively high that they are forced to make everything in the US- and this is not based on any logic or science but pure ideology (and maybe he thinks it's good war prep for his upcoming china war..)
 
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