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Report: Apple Continues to Explore Health Capabilities of Vision Pro
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Somehow I doubt keeping a screen a few cm away from your eyes for potentially long periods of time is considered healthy
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Ever laugh at people who bang into something or trip over something by being overly focused on their phone? Or ridicule those too focused on their phone in social situations? Every laugh at a person who seems to be talking to themselves (buds under hair)? How about those trying to walk and use a laptop at the same time? I walked into a McDonalds once and someone had brought an iMac 27" to use free wifi in a booth there.
New can easily seem odd and be funny/ridiculed and then it gains traction. Step back to the pre-phablet years and pretty much this entire crowd ridiculed those who purchased phablets: one-handed use, man purses, pants with bigger pockets, developer fragmentation, et all. Now the same crowd ridicules those who dare to bring up a want for a SMALLER phone.
This is new and very different... so it's weird and odd. But so is all new and very different things... until they gain enough adoption to become cool, interesting, great, "how did we ever get by without", "the future... NOW", etc.
Your take could be very right. Obviously, I lean differently in my imagination. Instead of trying and convicting while it's still mostly vapor, I'm reserving judgement until we fully know what it can do and can actually see and try one in person myself.
If you look up the iPod launch thread, you'll see abundant ridicule, price shock, "solution in search of a problem", "cheaper competitors already exist and don't sell well", etc comments... most of which could be copied & pasted into Vpro threads with minimal change of words (mostly iPod swapped into Vpro). Yet, in spite of that enormous wall of pessimism even on launch day after the presentation by the Lord Jobs himself, that turned out quite well for Apple... as did iPhone Phablets against a multi-year wall of contempt, disdain, ridicule and disgust... as did Apple Pay and 4K Apple TV while Apple still clung to 1080p and 1080p AppleTV while Apple still clung to 720p, etc.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
...like iPhone radiates the brain to jelly? 
...or like AirPods destroys the ability to hear?
...or like AirPods destroys the ability to hear?
Clearly not true
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Even if they're not friends, it's healthier to actually talk to your coworkers once in a while
Showing pretty pictures when you're depressed sounds an awful lot like Apple TV+
Namely, Severance
Namely, Severance
The reality is that mental health “issues” are far more common than most people think. The amount of money a person has isn’t directly linked to whether or not they experience issues with mental health.
Sure, blame it on users mental health when VPro can't properly read expressions.
From my cold dead face,
Mark Z.
From my cold dead face,
Mark Z.
Okay.
1) Sad.
2) Even when “isolated” you’re not wearing a heavy mask on your face. There’s a difference.
3) AVP is not running MacOS. It’s an iOS based device like an iPad. It isn’t intended to replace a laptop. It’s a laptop accessory. It requires a laptop to do what you’re wanting to do with it… basically defeating the purpose of replacing your laptop.
...like iPhone radiates the brain to jelly?
iPhone (and other similar devices) is known to cause significant eye strain.
...or like AirPods destroys the ability to hear?
If you play them too loud for too long? Yes.
That’s all well and good, but this product goes on your FACE. That may not be a problem for your typical tech savvy person but for the average consumer it’s a MASSIVE problem.
Furthermore, your comparisons all fall apart with a little examination.
iPod for example: people were already using digital “jukeboxes” before it came along. WAY more than those using AR/VR today. iPod was not an invasive object that you put on your face. It was a box that was just like a little AM radio only stuffed with your CDs. Not a huge conceptual or stylistic leap for people.
Then take AirPods. In-ear phones are nothing new. Virtually everyone had used wired headphones before. The AirPods looked and look just like wired headphones without the wire. They looked a little weird at first but not to the degree of something like Vision Pro. Reminder: VP goes on your FACE. That simple fact will be a deal breaker for well over half of the buying public at large.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I doubt it's a MASSIVE problem- this consumer certainly doesn't foresee it as one- any more than carrying a big brick of glass in a pocket could be spun as a MASSIVE consumer problem to overcome before smart phones were popular... or carrying a few pounds of a thing called a laptop around in the early days of laptops.
My opinion (and it is mine, not yours): let consumers speak for themselves... including those who are not extremely pessmistic on Vpro. If there are no buyers or few buyers after launch, you can proclaim how right you were. Until then, you know how this will play out no better than anyone else.
I doubt there were more pre-iPod variations in consumer hands than VR goggles/glasses now. Oculus is popular. Sony's version for PS4/5 is popular. And there are many others. I was around for iPod's launch and there was a tiny little niche of competitor iPod-like players but they didn't seem to be as popular as Oculus or Sony's VR stuff now.
Things on our heads and face are nothing new too. See skiers. See bike riders. Motorcycle riders. Sunglasses. Divers. Hat wearers. Headdress wearers. Going into winter, some will have parkas on their heads, or have their face so covered, you can only (and barely) see some eyes. Some will cover their entire face and also wrap heavy scarves around necks, already in turtleneck sweaters.
A part of your pessimism seems to revolve around this concept that people will wear these at all times of day. IMO- and it is MINE- people might use these like they use laptop screens now: out and on when they need a (big) screen, off and put away when they don't.
I respect that you ABSOLUTELY HATE this concept. That's obvious in every Vpro post you make... which is in EVERY Vpro thread that is posted. You are fully entitled to your opinion.
But not everyone feels the same about it. And all opinions about an unreleased product are as good as your own... some consumer "half full" to "full" is just as good as your "far, far, far beyond empty." When Vpro is available, we can all judge it for whatever it actually is, whatever it can actually do, etc. And if everyone feels as extraordinarily negative about it as you, Apple will sell ZERO units. Proclaim yourself King of knowing then.
Until then, I'll feel however I feel about it. You feel however you feel about it. Others should feel however they feel about it. All such feelings and opinions are equal until any of us can see it, try it and pass the ultimate form of judgement: buy or don't buy.
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I will be curious to see how this immersive, multisensory experience will affect users' emotional states. Guessing it will be even more addictive than console games that already are enslaving a generation.
It probably won't. You're already under the spell of technology. You're sitting at work, commenting on Apple toys instead of working, and you're going home to sit on your couch watching TV. You need exercise, not a headset!
Yeah, at least with 3dtv you still had a shared experience with those watching with you (also wearing the stupid glasses, since they were at least relatively cheap), and it still failed. With AVP (or any AR/VR/MR headset) you get none of that.
I respect that you ABSOLUTELY LOVE this concept. That's obvious in every Vpro post you make... which is in EVERY Vpro thread that is posted. You are fully entitled to your opinion.
Just kidding about your posts. I don’t actually have time to track your post history. 😆
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I don't absolutely love it. In fact, I've offered in writing more than once that it could turn out to be a big pile of...
I lean positive on the concept because of how much time & money Apple has put into it. It is my experience that Apple usually puts out good tech stuff. Can they make mistakes? Of course they can. But their track record is above average and I'll let that bias me a bit to the positive on this brand new product from Apple after 6+ years in development.
Rather than jump to a conclusion that it IS a pile of..., I reserve judgement until I can see it and try it myself. Right now, it's still mostly vapor, into which we can imagine any amount of negative of positive. I certainly see some very positive potential in it- like the ability to have a desktop-sized screen or two wherever I might try to get work done on a laptop.
However, I readily acknowledge some of the negatives:
- It IS something on people's faces.
- It WILL be a weird thing to see for at least a while out in the wild (as is all new, very visible things)
- 2-hour battery life seems towards pitiful.
- The cord to connect headset to battery seems to have great snag potential.
- That rumors say they can't even make very many implies small uptake even if they sell every unit they make... and small numbers do not excite developers.
- Price seems VERY high, even for Apple vs. fairly popular competitors already established (very iPod-like when it launched vs. established competitors).
- Will heavy usage lead to acne issues, blemishes, sustaining marks on a face?
- Vpro hair (like bed head) on removal?
- Etc. (there's plenty of tangible, plausible fuel for pessimism)
But, I can then switch lenses and see obvious, sizable benefits too. For me that any-size screen, anywhere I want to get some laptop work done is HUGE... a very obvious solution to a very tangible problem for me. As is, many tech makers are trying to find ways to put bigger screens in mobile use scenarios with Folds and Rolls. I see this as an Apple crack at the same without the crease & mechanical wear... and far larger screens than the 2X or 3X potential in unfolding/unrolling pocketable tech.
Working on an ultra-wide desktop most of the time, an ultra-wide laptop screen without the weight and size of a same-sized physical laptop is VERY APPEALING to me. So against my issues with 2-hour battery life, price, cord, thing on my face, etc. I can see many positives too.
If you were to read a good cross-section of my posts, you would see that I'm neither extremist Apple fan nor extremist Apple pessimist. I should come across as clearly somewhere in the middle... as objective as I can be, solely biased to viewing all through a CONSUMER (not a stockholder) lens. Sometimes, that has me faulting some Apple decisions and products and sometimes I'm praising. But I'm never an extremist.
And for products that do not interest me at all- like Apple Watch- I waste no time in threads about Watch, as there's nothing for me there and I don't expect to save anyone from owning something that doesn't interest me. To the millions and millions who own and love an Apple Watch, good for them. I'm glad it exists for them.
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TBH, conversations with myself are often far more productive than those with co-workers. Limiting interaction with co-workers (deliberately or through a self-employment situation) is not inherently unhealthy any more than having those interactions is inherently healthy. I think a “healthy” lifestyle involves all aspects of your life, especially what you do OUTSIDE work.