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Report: Apple Demands Suppliers Switch to Robotics for Manufacturing
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Apparently, you can go lower than paying 50$/month and a daily bowl of rice. Foxcon should take lessons from amazon warehouses, where people work with diapers on.
It’s an interesting paradox because all those thousands of workers are consumers too. If robots do all the work, who’s going to be able to afford the products they build?
Just so you're aware, in Canada we have a seasonal guest worker program for farm workers. Where people can come from select countries, stay for 8 months and then go home on these work visa's.... It seems odd that USA can't come up with such a good scheme? So after looking it up, there is a program under H-2A Temporary Agricultural Workers Program which allows this. However the limits probably need raising, since only 300k were issued which probably isn't enough.
Automation has felt inevitable for the manufacturing sector for some time. Watching the cultural shift/fallout will be interesting if not downright scary.
Lots of people do work on a factory floor or in retail.
Well okay I was not thinking THAT far back in time to the stone ages. It is a fact though that peasants in pre-industrial agricultural societies did not even work half-time on average.
This is a funny comment. I grew up homesteading. I guess you've never lived off the land directly? Industrialized farming is beyond the era of humanity that I'm referring to. People's lives used to be more filled with leisure, and that is a fact! The 40 hour work week is a modern invention there was no need to spend 8 hours/day in a potato field.
Eh, you said "much of human history". When do you think "human history" started? No on the Stone Age, that pre-history. It starts from when written records appeared.
But your time line seems to be running from "Strone age - pre-industrial - now". It's a bit more complicated than that.
"It is a fact though that peasants in pre-industrial agricultural societies did not even work half-time on average." This is not a fact. I don't know what you basing this one (if anything at all), but this is simply not true.
The "work week" is a product of the industrial revolution, because fixed start work and stop work times, and viewing time as "clock time", became the norm only from the inudtrail revolution.
But what you're missing is that, just because people didn't have a work week calculated in a number of hours, it's not that they had "free hours". the easily worked more than forty hjorus a week. They just didn't distinguish between work Horus and leisure's hours.
You go up, you did what you had to go, You took a break. You did more, you took a break, your did more, you went to bed.
Your pre-industrial utopia never existed. The vast majority of people worked through the vast majority of their waking hours.
People need to look at the bigger picture! Which automation, jobs replace with AI and Robots. What's there job for the working class? The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. There will be a revolution coming!
This is so they can start manufacturing in the US, which they have already stated. They will want full automation before they do manufacturing in America. So much for American jobs, unless I guess you are an automation engineer that is!
As corporations increasingly move to doing without employees, eventually they'll wonder why few can afford to be customers.
That's a whole lot of words to distract from the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. Free Time: The History of an Elusive Ideal by Cross is a lightweight introduction to the history on this subject.
Begs the question - if everyone is eventually replaced by robots and robits (ai), then who will buy these products?
Apple is significantly accelerating the rollout of automation and robotics across its manufacturing supply chain, DigiTimes reports.
While Apple has advocated for increased automation in supplier facilities for over two years, sources familiar with the matter say that Apple now requires automation as a standard prerequisite for awarding manufacturing contracts. This is said to be part of a broader effort to minimize labor dependency, stabilize product quality and uniformity across different facilities, and reduce long-term production costs amid ongoing supply chain diversification away from China.
Apple's alleged automation mandate spans all major product categories, including the iPhone, iPad, Mac, and Apple Watch. Apple now purportedly expects suppliers to fund their own automation upgrades rather than rely on Apple to finance or subsidize the necessary capital equipment. This policy change diverges from Apple's previous approach, where the company frequently invested in tooling and machinery for contract manufacturers to meet its specifications.
The financial burden of this new automation requirement is apparently already impacting supplier margins. High initial capital expenditure, coupled with operational disruptions during integration of robotic systems, has reportedly strained profitability for some suppliers.
Apple still continues to assist suppliers in areas related to environmental responsibility. The company's 2030 target to achieve carbon neutrality across its entire supply chain includes direct support for upgrading to energy-efficient equipment and more sustainable materials.
Apple ostensibly hopes that increased use of robotics will help standardize processes, digitize inspections, reduce the impact of labor shortages and political instability, implement consistent processes for new suppliers, and mitigate the challenges of maintaining consistent build quality when production is increasingly split across multiple countries.
Article Link: Report: Apple Demands Suppliers Switch to Robotics for Manufacturing
No jobs, no pay, no buy.
Now they’re anti-labor. Awesome. I don’t feel bad ditching most of my Apple products at this point.
Do you think the capitalists are going to give us enough money to live only working a day or two a week? They don't even want to pay people a living wage for 40+ hours a week
How can someone not know basic history? You really think this started in the 80’s? The first world was built on exploitation of others to centralize wealth. Go back further it’s always been exploitation by those in power for wealth, Rome ring a bell? Both church and Roman Empire. Keep going back the song remains the same. India and China for thousands of years.
In a healthy society, companies would consider it a privilege to support so many people. Our society is sick and dying
Some day automation will even replace the shareholders... Lot's of automated trading already happening now. Soon you can just give proxy to your investing AI. Just tell it you want it to make you the most money as fast as possible and you don't care about anything/anyone else. That's going to go great...
Ok so CEO is replaced with AI, even shareholders are replaced with AI. Then what is the point of money? Where are the money from? Greedy rich kids? Or some financial advisers? Once machines have developed their own will (which they are to an extent already in the form of AI personalities today), do you really think robots are going to be just “serving humans”? Honestly I don’t have anything positive to say about current AI advancement at all, only to serve a handful of powerful individuals to satiate their greed and desire for total control.
This is all pretty much inevitable. Labor will be significantly disrupted by robotics and AI. Material will significantly be disrupted by unlimited sources of energy, such as fusion. So, the key elements of production are going to change significantly over the next century. The only question is how humanity will deal with these disruptions. Not all change and disruption is bad. Look at the last 100 years. The quality of life for humans has drastically improved:
I tell my kids that the jobs they will be doing 10 years from now probably don’t even exist today. You are not guaranteed an unchanging career for a lifetime. For some, this is threatening and scary. For others, it is exciting and full of opportunities. We will see.
- Lower infant mortality
- Longer life spans
- Better education. - my grandfather had to leave school at 10 y.o. to go to work
- Fewer industrial accidents
- Shorter work weeks
- Etc.
I tell my kids that the jobs they will be doing 10 years from now probably don’t even exist today. You are not guaranteed an unchanging career for a lifetime. For some, this is threatening and scary. For others, it is exciting and full of opportunities. We will see.
The ultimate ned game is money is worthless and they're no longer rich. Money need sot be exchanged in order ot give it value so if you cant exchange it with anyone its worthless. With the vast majority of the population out of work, Entertainment, property, travel, consumer goods, electronics, all gorn. making the stuff is pointless. Thus robotics, not needed, ai, not needed, billionaires poor like the rest of us and definitely not needed. of course the current brigade are relying on this taking long enough that they'll all be dead. I can see major wars needing to be engineered to cow fractious populations as the public gets poorer and can afford less and as they all turn to voting for populist trash who tell them what they want to hear whilst racketeering their way to greater personal wealth by running away with all the money well what does one do as a hardliner autocrat when your population gets fractious. Crack down and ideally engineers a war.