Sure I think meta, google and Apple should leave the eu. The eu citizenry would be using tin cans and a string to make phone calls.
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Report: Apple to Announce More App Store Concessions for the EU
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Mandating USB-C was stupid, even if I prefer that iPhones have USB-C. Apple was clearly moving to USB-C, just not fast enough for some of you (In large part due to promising Lightning being the connector for the next ten years and getting raked over the coals in the press the last time they switched connectors - to one that was better in almost every way, unlike this change, which was at best a slight improvement).
But the EU saw an opportunity for a short term win to get people on the side of regulating big tech, and now we’re probably stuck with that connector for all eternity. No one has incentive to invest in designing a better port if it can’t be used in Europe. Yet another example in the long list of “EU can’t think more than one step ahead when it comes to consequences of its regulations.”
That’s one of the primary reasons I don’t use Apple Books, and never have! But all estimates I’ve seen have Apple with a single digit percentage of the ebook market, and let’s not forget the publishers have a say in DRM of their books as well. Hardly proof that Apple is using books to “lock in” users.
While I completely agree Apple needs to follow the laws of the jurisdictions it operates in, I'd argue that if they think a law is bad, they should comply to the least extent possible. If the government pushes back, so be it. Clearly, Apple has lawyers who think Apple is complying and has a legal argument as to why they are complying. If the EU disagrees, then court is the appropriate place to adjudicate that argument.
That’s wonderful as they would just be replaced by local or other companies.
Watch out so we don’t cripple the U.S. industry over silly stuff tho
Sigh no they didn’t. This was agreed upon by the industry to implement it. Apple had agreed to implement it but was dishonest about it.
And Anyone can invent a new and better port. If the industry agrees with it it can become the new standard.
Sure, Apple has lawyers but based on their behavior, it looks like none of them were educated in how EU regulatory enforcement actually works. This isn’t the U.S. system where you challenge a law in court first and delay enforcement.
So if Apple’s lawyers genuinely thought this was a matter of “comply narrowly and fight later,” then honestly, they’re bringing U.S. courtroom logic to an EU regulatory fight and it shows…
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Perhaps they were, but when every other product they sold had moved on it was clear they were dragging their feet. Lightning was stuck with USB 2.0 transfer speeds which were just not good enough for the 4K video people wanted to lift from their 14 Pro Max. At the same time it was stuck with a 30fps, 720p video output.
Apple to their credit did a that Apple thing they do by not only moving to USB-C but also adding displayport and the ability to record 8K video through the USB port into an external SSD.
USB-C may well be the only port we ever need. It can already carry any data signal required at tremendous bandwidth. Its found its way into all sorts of useful things like AA rechargeable batteries you can plug straight into the cable.
Which is one of the main reasons why I think it's clear they were moving to USB-C. Lightening just wasn't going to cut it in a world where Apple is advertising the Pro models as professional-level cameras.
It may be, but there's also a universe where we are all laughing at "big clunky usb-c" in ten years. Remember, the EU wanted to mandate Micro-USB as the connector. That alone should show everyone the folly of writing the standard into law.
Good and let’s see how world class tech companies are replaced with third rate companies.
Yeah could be a tough row between the eu and us.
No they weren’t. And if the goalposts ever stopped moving Apple might be able to catch up.
Once this stuff is trapped inside beauracracy it’s forever there.
What shows is how imprecise the DMA is. I dont expect those who support the DMA to agree it’s impressive.
Nope. The EU originally wanted Micro-USB, which Apple rightly said was stupid, so included an adapter. The EU then got mad about that and changed the law and said it had to be USB-C, but only because the industry had moved on at that point in time. Who knows if USB-C would have been as ubiquitous if the EU had demanded all devices include Micro-USB.
When talking about EU regulation, everyone should remember the same regulators picking what APIs Apple is required to offer thought EVERY PHONE should use Micro USB. And you want these people making decisions about how Apple designs its hardware and software.
No one has any economic incentive to invest tens to potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to do so if it can't be used in the EU.
Apple has EU lawyers. Definitely in house (per job postings - based out of the London office), but I would also assume outside counsel on an issue like this (although I don't know that for a fact).
1. Most users don't care which engine is inside their browser
2. security issues.
iPhone 15 non-pro with USB-C is locked to USB2.0 speeds. Even the USB-C cable was shipped with USB2.0 speeds. The iPhone 15 Pro also shipped with USB2.0 cable. All phone manufacturers *can* ship USB-C ports with 2.0 speeds today if they wanted to.
Consumers have been "agreeing" with their wallets. Unless you mean "industry" as in the businesses which means you've essentially shifted power from "consumers" to "industry".
To say that iPhone would have stuck with lightning for the next 10 years is ridiculous. Obviously they would go portless or USB-C, but definitely not include lightning any longer considering iPads were already switching to USB-C before the mandate.
Any company can be replaced when a market opens up because they leave. Especially when European technology makes up the backbone for your biggest companies to exist 🤷♂️
The goalpost has stayed exactly where it started to have a harmonised industry standard port for charging. Apple is a member of the USB-IF board.
Perhaps in the U.S., but not here. The regulation is legally required to be updated and reviewed. Article 3(4) RED empowers the Commission to adopt delegated acts to amend Annex Ia whenever “scientific and technological progress or market developments” warrant a change (for instance, a new IEC edition or wireless-charging standard
And I belive they have to have a report by the end of this year for any updates
It’s fairly precise to what you can’t do. And Apple chose to be ignorant isn’t EUs fault.
Incorrect. It was the industry. And the same memorandum expired after the agreed terms and It’s fairly easy to amend or even change the standard.
Why do you think we went from micro-USB and USB-A to USB-C so easily?
Can you please stop lying when you know not a single api Apple have is required to be on any other device. You have the literal legislation that has been posted. As well as EU even denying any such thing is required in response to apples questions.
File transfer from windows or android can be done with zero code or APIs from apple being present on the other devices.
Any port can be used. Computers, tvs etc. The port iPad Pro has on the backside as a än example.
Indeed, but as it seems reading the legal back and forth between the commission and Apple makes it seem like Apple completely ignores any such thing either intentionally or they frankly belive they are in the U.S.
I'm starting to think we need AI to summarize these threads and condense all the redundant banter and constant re-hashing of the same narratives down to the key points.
1: those who make webbrowsers do care as well as websites. And Someone who wants Firefox or chrome will get an inferior experience.
2: what security issues? Actual issues ns. Or made up ones.
Consumers have never decided this. USB-IF is compromised of 10~ firms such as Apple, Samsung, Microsoft, intel etc
USB C launched 2014, lightning in 2012. Why would They launched new devices with lightning like the iPad and Apple Pencil?
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To meet the requirements of Article 6(7) of Regulation (EU) 2022/1925, Apple should implement an interoperability solution that provides third parties with access to the same high-bandwidth P2P Wi-Fi feature as available to Apple (described in Section 5.4.1 of this Decision), in a way that is equally effective as the solution available to Apple. For the avoidance of doubt, this includes using the P2P Wi-Fi connection feature between an iOS device and a nearby Apple or third-partyconnected physical device.
(238) Apple should provide interoperability with all functionalities of the high-bandwidth P2P Wi-Fi connection feature which are available to Apple’s own connected physical devices, including, but not limited to, Apple Vision Pro, Apple Watch, as well as any future Apple connected physical devices. The functionalities of the P2P Wi-Fi connection feature are listed in recital (196) of this Decision.
(239) Apple should grant third parties access to additional functionalities to those referred to in the preceding recital if necessary to enable effective interoperability with the P2P Wi-Fi connection feature described in Section 5.4.1 of this Decision.
(240) (241) Apple should make Wi-Fi Aware available to third parties
Please explain how the above is not the EU dictating what APIs Apple is "required to offer" to third parties?
I, along with many other engineers, enjoy only working with one engine to implement websites for.
Chromium has never had a zero day security exploit? lol
Search on these forums. Plenty of users have said "if Apple doesn't implement USB-C on the next iPhone, I'm switching to Android/I'm skipping the next iPhone". If enough people desired USB-C, they would send a clear signal to Apple saying they don't want lightning in iPhone anymore.
So port decision will be dictated by businesses. Like I said.
Don't see the relevancy to what I said. USB-C iPad transition was well underway before iPhone was required to use USB-C.
We’d use Telegram or something else and be just fine.
I’d rather believe Timmy figured that Lightning connectors were 0.50 cheaper on a $500 product than that.
Apple was never about legacy connectors and they have no issue with getting rid of them
If Nokia and Ericsson leave the market, the U.S. can buy their telco infrastructure from 🇨🇳Huawei.
…whereas your country protects extremist content as freedom of speech.
…whereas your country would rather move to ban social media apps outright.
…whereas your favourite company used to block Telegram updates on a worldwide scale (due to pressure from Russia)
👉 What was your point again?
Having American tech leave the eu, and let the eu use Tim ”cans” and strings.
Do you want to remind me who developed and owns the Wi-Fi Aware protocol? And perhaps who recommended Wi-Fi aware as the interoperability protocol?
And I hope you’re aware that every Android device as well as laptop have Wi-Fi aware implemented for years already?
And that Apple uses the AWDL protocol
Well then you would agree that if everything becomes chromium by the choice of users it would be better right? Instead of Apple artificially propping up WebKit.
And safari have never had zero day exploits either 🤔 I wonder what you need to do to exploit 100% of iPhone users when you know they’re all using the same rendering software and vulnerabilities
As a wise user said: Apple doesn’t care about market share but revenue growth. I almost skipped from the iPhone 8 until the usb c version was released.
Yes because it’s not something users ever have a meaningful impact on when the product can be good despite its flaws.
Thebipad transition went backwards for Andre generations for zero resons instead of going with usb c
Didn’t know Belgium was the EU government 🤔.
Is New York the U.S. government as well?
And Apple is being required to offer it to others by the EU, which you accused me of lying about when I stated it.
Are you going to retract that accusation?
This is just another example of Apple nickel-and-diming the most basic of features in an attempt to get the upsell.