i can confirm this: i have 3 android phones and one iphone
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Report: One in Four Smartphones Are Now iPhones
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WarmWinterHat
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I had a snack at Sam's Club food court yesterday, and paid with my regular credit card...actually I don't even know how you would pay via your phone at the food court. They added two new full register lanes, as well, sometime between Christmas and now.
I have a smartphone, obviously, but there isn't anywhere I shop, eat, or visit and have to have one.
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zarmanto
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Buried lede of this post: Dude is still rocking a phone that was released 12 years ago. On average, this isn't something you're likely to hear often -- or at all -- about other brands. Is it really any wonder that Apple's install base is so impressive, comparatively?
People use these just for phones still? Sorry but I’ll spend $1k on something I use for *everything* - the only thing I use a computer for is work, and an M1 iMac to run my homebridge client service.
Something tells me, what he stated, isn’t the full story. Wally World doesn’t even allow the use of tap.
If they wanna go the way of forcing an app so be it, there’s always Costco and BJ’s. BJ’s kinda sucks though… lol I swear I didn’t intend this.
Someone I used to work with had a Lenovo Motorola phone a couple of years ago but before that the last time was my Razr V3 I had way back when 👴
WarmWinterHat
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I have a coworker with a Motorolla Razr flip:
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code-m
macrumors 601
Didn’t the U.S. ban sales of Huawei phones many years ago? China also incentivized sales of local brands amoung its citizens.
iPhones also tend to be more expensive. All-in-All I would says this it’s a momentous achievement by Apple and Tim Cook. Members here wanted him fired or retired thinking their can do a better job.
SactoGuy18
macrumors 603
I wonder will the holding company for the Oppo and Vivo try to bring their Android phones to the US market now, especially with OnePlus appearing to wind down in operations.
HouseLannister
macrumors 68040
Anybody remember the Lenovo ThinkPhone?
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And remember that Lenovo bought Motorola from Google. That was a weird and wild time.
Are you kidding? 1/4 is very high for a single brand of product, especially when they only sell at the higher end of the price range.
In all of Apple's history Macs have never reached anywhere close to that percentage of the personal computer market.
See my post #23.
The US market is just not that attractive nowadays compared to many other regions in the rest of the world. It's not a trivial market either, but companies tend to go for the low hanging fruit and there are too many uncertainties with the US right now, it's not a reliable partner for business.
Absolutely they do. If you know what to look for you will see them regularly. The Moto G range definitely sells their share of units and for good reason.
That’s all phones.
For fagships they completely dominate with Apple having 60-80% of the market (depending on which study and what price they use to define a flagship).
Pointless comparing the iPhone to the gazillion $100 Android phones sold every year.
I can’t even remember the last time I bought anything at a store, restaurant, food court or even vending machine where I couldn’t tap my Apple Watch (or iPhone).
Even Walmart here has switched to accepting tap.
SactoGuy18
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The US market is dominated by Apple and Samsung, with Google showing fairly significant presence. AT&T, T-Mobile USA and Verizon are pushing everything towards these model phones. I think Vivo and Oppo will try to make a major push in the southeast Asian and southern Asian markets.
WarmWinterHat
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Not in the US. They are steadfast againt tap-to-pay, via Apple, Google, or directly with the card.
SactoGuy18
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That might change if Apple allows third-party access to the NFC functionality. That could open the door for Walmart Pay to switch from QR code optical scan to NFC wireless tap to pay.
WarmWinterHat
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Does Google or Samsung allow that?
I shopped at Wal-Mart on Saturday for the first time in at least a couple years, and I was surprised at the amount of people paying by scanning their phone screen, which I assume is Wal-Mart pay.
SactoGuy18
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The Walmart app includes Walmart Pay. While it works, it's not as convenient as Apple Pay.
jayducharme
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Abazigal
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There’s market share. And there’s also usage share.
Remember all those posts estimating how Apple commands the lion’s share of profits in the smartphone market? Or how iOS users spend more on apps and are considered more lucrative to ad networks from companies like Facebook and Google.
25% is not a bad number, but what makes it more impressive is the specific market segment that Apple commands. This is in part why Apple is able to sell more hardware, more accessories, more apps and more services to their active iPhone user base and I find it impressive how they have managed to pivot from just selling iPhones, to selling to people with iPhones.
Remember all those posts estimating how Apple commands the lion’s share of profits in the smartphone market? Or how iOS users spend more on apps and are considered more lucrative to ad networks from companies like Facebook and Google.
25% is not a bad number, but what makes it more impressive is the specific market segment that Apple commands. This is in part why Apple is able to sell more hardware, more accessories, more apps and more services to their active iPhone user base and I find it impressive how they have managed to pivot from just selling iPhones, to selling to people with iPhones.
Mrkevinfinnerty
macrumors 68040
There’s market share. And there’s also usage share.
Remember all those posts estimating how Apple commands the lion’s share of profits in the smartphone market? Or how iOS users spend more on apps and are considered more lucrative to ad networks from companies like Facebook and Google.
25% is not a bad number, but what makes it more impressive is the specific market segment that Apple commands. This is in part why Apple is able to sell more hardware, more accessories, more apps and more services to their active iPhone user base and I find it impressive how they have managed to pivot from just selling iPhones, to selling to people with iPhones.
That's likely because iOS/Apple overindexes in Western markets like the US/Canada/UK/Western Europe where people spend more on smartphones and apps in general. I suspect if you canvassed Android and Apple users from just the US or the US and Canada or even compared iPhone users to users of Android phones in a similar price point the numbers would be much closer.
This is the same reason people think that Apple Music pay out higher royalties than Spotify. The truth is a large part of Apple's subscriber base is in the US where subscriptions cost more and thus pay out at higher rates. Spotify has more of a global spread. If you compare US Apple Music account to US Spotify Premium account the numbers are basically the same.
Abazigal
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Actually, I believe the reason Apple is able to pay out more for Apple Music royalties is because they have no free tier (which drags the whole average down).
Also, my numbers are from the more developed countries like the US and Japan. iOS users seem to spend more generally, even compared to Android users holding the more expensive flagship models.
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But it could also be a chicken and egg case of developers targeting the iOS app market first, hence resulting in more iOS users compared to the Android market. Like for example, Notability remains iOS (and Mac) only despite having been released for well over a decade, and I guess that is not going to change anytime soon.
Mrkevinfinnerty
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Actually, I believe the reason Apple is able to pay out more for Apple Music royalties is because they have no free tier (which drags the whole average down).
Also, my numbers are from the more developed countries like the US and Japan. iOS users seem to spend more generally, even compared to Android users holding the more expensive flagship models.
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But it could also be a chicken and egg case of developers targeting the iOS app market first, hence resulting in more iOS users compared to the Android market. Like for example, Notability remains iOS (and Mac) only despite having been released for well over a decade, and I guess that is not going to change anytime soon.
It's a bit of both. No free tier + majority of Apple's userbase in developed markets.
I've never seen someone actually do a real comparison of users using iPhones vs Android users using higher end phones.
The problem with 'iOS v Android' broadly is the Apple don't play at the lower end of the market at all. Even their cheapest phones is mid range really, so it just ends up with iOS which is probably half made up of people in the US using $1000+ 'Pro' phones compared to Android half made up of people in India using $200 phones, no surprises who is spending more out of the two.