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Report Reveals Internal Chaos Behind Apple's Siri Failure
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Well the good news is they eventually realized the Copland path was doomed and started over from scratch using NeXTStep, and we're still essentially using it today. So the question is where in that process are we? If it's close to the end, maybe it's a good thing.
But do they have that ability? If you train your LLM on only material where the copyright has expired, that is published in 1929 and earlier, would it still be useful? If it turns out that the courts decide training LLMs is not fair use the resulting thud in AI company valuations will be epic.
I have to say though an AI spitting out information in the manner of Evelina, or Emma, or Well at World's End would be interesting at the least. There would be a lot of horse and carriage metaphors.
Not disputing what your family is telling you, but that is certainly atypical: teens overwhelmingly still prefer iOS to Android (or maybe more accurately iPhones to various Android-based phones). This story from just yesterday: Teen iPhone Ownership Continues to Soar
AI chief thought LLMs were not important?
While the world complained that Siri was way too dumb even compared to its old-style rivals?
Burning the money they put on his paycheck would have been a much better investment.
While the world complained that Siri was way too dumb even compared to its old-style rivals?
Burning the money they put on his paycheck would have been a much better investment.
So as many suspected when this story first broke, the main cause of the problems has been poor management, and not so much the coders, if at all.
Among other things, management seems to have had a schizophrenic attitude towards LLMs, being skeptical of them initially and then becoming overly confident in them as the direction to go. They failed to understand the flaws in LLMs as they existed then and now, which makes LLMs not reliable enough for the level of reliability that Apple shoots for. But you don't need an LLM stuffed with every factoid under the sun to do the basic things that Siri has long been touted as being able to do, but too often can't.
Among other things, management seems to have had a schizophrenic attitude towards LLMs, being skeptical of them initially and then becoming overly confident in them as the direction to go. They failed to understand the flaws in LLMs as they existed then and now, which makes LLMs not reliable enough for the level of reliability that Apple shoots for. But you don't need an LLM stuffed with every factoid under the sun to do the basic things that Siri has long been touted as being able to do, but too often can't.
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I'd be curious for a macrumors poll on who uses Siri daily, weekly etc.
I never use it and neither does my wife, my 11 year old will on occasion. I dont know many others who do.. just seems like a gimmick still
I never use it and neither does my wife, my 11 year old will on occasion. I dont know many others who do.. just seems like a gimmick still
I think Giannandrea is correct. What value is there that the free ChatGPT app doesn't address? What amazing flagship feature besides advocating the eating of rocks do those supposedly "so far ahead" have? especially when Apple has access to something like Deepseek without spending a dime or tying up engineering talent and billions of dollars sunk down the drain?
I think it's the other way around in being shortsighted. People and analysts have been foolishly saying for years now that Apple has been behind for years, but seriously, behind what? how? This is the very start of the AI age. I think the shortsightedness is those who only see the immediate instead of where this is going, which, as usually happens to most of these companies, "so far ahead" are never to be heard from again other than postscripts on Wikipedia pages.
This is all so silly; the only issue is Apple foolishly advertising a product for their phones that doesn't exist.
And you wouldn’t see the anger fueled ranting if Apple had significantly improved Siri over the years. What you are witnessing is years of pent-up frustration – it’s not just about the current delays. Apple has neglected Siri for more than 10 years. They are totally to blame for this lack of foresight, considering that Siri is on almost all of their devices. There really is no excuse for it.
Agreed. Google Assistant has been awesome for almost 10 years now and Gemini takes it a step further. When I was in iPhone, I only used Siri to play my favorite playlists (which doesn't always work) and the calculator. Gemini is actually a personal assistant.
Cook, Craig, John, etc all need to be let go from Apple. It’s a debacle after debacle from
These people and I can’t see the issues at Apple getting any better with these people
In their positions. Obviously they’re inept and bring zero value to the consumers. I know Apple has an obsession with hierarchy but it’s getting ridiculous. They need to face the facts and admit to themselves, as a company, that these people are not the ones right for the brand.
I’ve used Apple products for as long as I can remember and I don’t use Siri because it does absolutely nothing thing I can’t do myself. I don’t know anyone else who ever uses it, either. I can’t even begin to imagine how much wasted resources ( time, money and manpower) were put into Siri when their focus should have been elsewhere.
These people and I can’t see the issues at Apple getting any better with these people
In their positions. Obviously they’re inept and bring zero value to the consumers. I know Apple has an obsession with hierarchy but it’s getting ridiculous. They need to face the facts and admit to themselves, as a company, that these people are not the ones right for the brand.
I’ve used Apple products for as long as I can remember and I don’t use Siri because it does absolutely nothing thing I can’t do myself. I don’t know anyone else who ever uses it, either. I can’t even begin to imagine how much wasted resources ( time, money and manpower) were put into Siri when their focus should have been elsewhere.
I don’t disagree, but IMO if the guy in charge of Siri saw ChatGPT and his response was “I don’t see the use case” and not “$&@*!, why doesn’t Siri do that!?!? - they’re going to eat our lunch!” then he is probably in wrong line work
I use it many times a day. It doesn’t always work the way it should and there are a lot of things that it can’t do. But it works often enough for me to keep using it. I set alarms, I use it to control lights in my house, I ask it general knowledge, questions, I use it to send and read text, and I use it to initiate or hang up FaceTime calls to family. I have asked it how to do things on my device (a new feature which I am grateful for). As for Apple Intelligence, I use it to do clean up on my photos often but other than the first couple of days I do not use genmoji or image playground. I’m in my 70s and those features just don’t interest me.
Steve Jobs would have cleared house.
Cook and Federighi have to go.
Cook and Federighi have to go.
Sure, that's a part of it, and I can understand that those who want a voice interface would be frustrated, but it looks to be more than just that. Are people really that angry, name-calling, full-on-shouty angry, that Apple's assistant has been neglected, and hasn't been turned into a chatbot?
At times I have wondered how many of the posters here are paid Samsung/Google/etc. advocates, as there are so many posting aggressively and dismissively who barely even use Apple products. In the end, I put it down to the current incarnation of the old tribal holy wars. The old 90s Mac vs PC, or for a local example, the old Holden vs Ford rivalry. People are tribal and will sort themselves out into little groups and shun the outsiders.
It's exhausting.
I don’t care *that* much about the missing Siri features or even the fact that it actually seems to be getting worse. I would’ve probably been here defending Apple if I didn’t just learn that they made up a fantastical demo and promised a release date to boot!
Siri is cursed. All incumbents in the company on the project should be moved onto other things and allow a new group to make it from scratch with new ideas. It’s genuinely that bad.
About a year and a half before Steve Jobs died, I sent him an email suggesting that Apple should start working on incorporating AI into its products. I didn't hear back from him, and I don't remember what led me to do this, but it may have been the release of Siri on the App Store in Feb 2010, which I may have felt was a good starting point for incorporating AI into macOS. Apple acquired Siri Inc. in April 2010.
And we are today.
And we are today.
Its meh, I have a high end Android and my 16 pro max is chilling in a drawer. Just because Apple no longer makes the best phones or mobile OS doesn't mean I'll stop using my Macs. Never ever. But say that first part around here and people attack you.
Um. It is indeed exhausting.
But I don’t necessarily want SIRI to be turned into a chatbot, although that does sound fun. I would just like it to consistently do the things that I ask correctly. Lately she has taken to saying she doesn’t know where I am when I ask the weather. As I have not moved in over 30 years and have used the same phrasing when asking about the temperature, I don’t know why sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t know why Apple had that very helpful feature of letting its voice assistant search my photos and suddenly it doesn’t. I don’t know why it was able to add a notation to a certain note in the Notes app and then suddenly it couldn’t. Over the years this type of thing gets to be very frustrating and it frustrates on every Apple device so that multiplies the frustrations. And my needs for Siri are, I’m sure, relatively small and consistent. I’m home most of the time, but those who are out in the world in a job probably have greater needs, and the frustration would be even greater. I hold Apple totally accountable for this because I feel that if it were a feature, that would bring them in more money they would have fixed it by now. And though I don’t rant in an angry fashion, I do question why John G was not removed from his charge long ago. And I’m aware that for a while Siri was under Craig Federighi‘s charge and still, it made no progress. I’m very interested in intelligent Apple devices, especially as I age in place. I am anxious to see some progress, not excuses.
It could be worse. Apple ///. By the time they fixed it no one cared.
Dozens of times a day. Turn on kitchen lights, turn off bedroom lights, open living room curtains, set alarm, turn on tv, increase volume, pause, play, view doorbell, play 70s music, decrease brightness in living room, turn off TV, what's 15% of 320, text Steve, etc. Using Siri in a house with lots of smart things is really nice. And while driving. If you decide to use it there are many things you can do.