Report: Vision Pro Headset's Complex Design Forcing Apple to Make 'Drastic' Production Cuts

[Unregistered 4U]

Mainstream:
the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts.

Not “another big chunk AFTER the dominant”.

And I have to correct myself because neither the iPad nor the iPhone would be considered mainstream either.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Mainstream:
the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts.

Not “another big chunk AFTER the dominant”.

And I have to correct myself because neither the iPad nor the iPhone would be considered mainstream either.

By that definition the iPhone absolutely is “mainstream.”

But it’s more about awareness. This is an example of a computer that was never mainstream:

SPARCstation - Wikipedia

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[Unregistered 4U]

By that definition the iPhone absolutely is “mainstream.”

But it’s more about awareness. This is an example of a computer that was never mainstream:

SPARCstation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nope, and I accept that I used mainstream incorrectly.

Mobile Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats

This graph shows the market share of mobile operating systems worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.

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Android is most definitely dominant worldwide and it’s not even close. As the definition refers to dominance, then, no, when I said the iPhone was mainstream to make a point, I was wrong.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Nope, and I accept that I used mainstream incorrectly.

Mobile Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats

This graph shows the market share of mobile operating systems worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.

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Android is most definitely dominant worldwide and it’s not even close. As the definition refers to dominance, then, no, when I said the iPhone was mainstream to make a point, I was wrong.

So? There is always room for more than one standard. If iOS was suddenly the most used OS that wouldn’t make Android suddenly “out of the mainstream.” It would still be mainstream, but the second most popular choice.

I mean, unless your contention is that the best selling example of any product class is the only one that counts as mainstream. The Tesla Model Y was the best selling consumer vehicle globally last year. Does that make it “mainstream” and all the others obscure?

 

[AL2TEACH]

A real world experience is of significantly higher value than a tech gizmo.

Depends on the event and the person. I went to one football game and like many other people, I like the broadcast in the living room better. Same with concerts. In the future, if a gizmo can deliver ab AR/VR experience to the 2 mentioned above, I and many other people would take the gizmo and it would be very good cost wise. Granted, for some real world experiences, a person has to be there but not all.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Depends on the event and the person. I went to one football game and like many other people, I like the broadcast in the living room better. Same with concerts. In the future, if a gizmo can deliver ab AR/VR experience to the 2 mentioned above, I and many other people would take the gizmo and it would be very good cost wise. Granted, for some real world experiences, a person has to be there but not all.

Real world experiences have infinitely higher value than virtual ones.

“That year I went to the Super Bowl.”

VS

“That year I watched the Super Bowl in a headset.”

It’s kind of remarkable that anyone would argue that real world experiences are worse than fake ones. Oh well.

 

[crees!]

Are you going to buy one? And if so, why? What will you do with it on a day to day basis?

Netflix and chill 😆

 

[Unregistered 4U]

So? There is always room for more than one standard. If iOS was suddenly the most used OS that wouldn’t make Android suddenly “out of the mainstream.” It would still be mainstream, but the second most popular choice.

I mean, unless your contention is that the best selling example of any product class is the only one that counts as mainstream. The Tesla Model Y was the best selling consumer vehicle globally last year. Does that make it “mainstream” and all the others obscure?

Someone else posted:

I'm pretty sure Tim Cook is not so stupid to think this will go mainstream nor thinks this is the future of computing. The insanity to believe that does not come from Apple.

By comparison, the Mac itself isn’t mainstream according to the definition of mainstream, so that doesn’t say much about the prospects of the success of the Vision Pro. “Mainstream” is not a requirement and likely not a goal for the Vision Pro, but profitability certainly is.

It would still be mainstream, but the second most popular choice.

Not according to the definition, and I recognize definitions mean nothing to some folks when the goal is to make a point. It does to me, so I wanted to make it clear that I absolutely used “mainstream” in a way counter to the definition as I should have looked it up before I used it. My bad.

For anyone that doesn’t want to use definitions? Well, they’re free to say that the Windows phone is mainstream if they like.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Someone else posted:

By comparison, the Mac itself isn’t mainstream according to the definition of mainstream, so that doesn’t say much about the prospects of the success of the Vision Pro. “Mainstream” is not a requirement and likely not a goal for the Vision Pro, but profitability certainly is.

Not according to the definition, and I recognize definitions mean nothing to some folks when the goal is to make a point. It does to me, so I wanted to make it clear that I absolutely used “mainstream” in a way counter to the definition as I should have looked it up before I used it. My bad.

For anyone that doesn’t want to use definitions? Well, they’re free to say that the Windows phone is mainstream if they like.

I’m glad you’ve chosen a definition that serves your argument.

The Mac is a mainstream device. I stand by that comment. They sell over 7 million of them a year.

 

[AL2TEACH]

It’s kind of remarkable that anyone would argue that real world experiences are worse than fake ones. Oh well.

Lol, I find it remarkable that you find it remarkable that others may not agree with ya.
I did say, it depends on the event and the person

 

[Surf Monkey]

Lol, I find it remarkable that you find it remarkable that others may not agree with ya.
I did say, it depends on the event and the person

It isn’t about agreeing or disagreeing. It’s about the qualitative differences between a real world event and one that comes out of a plastic headset.

 

[StellarVixen]

“Complex design”

*puts the glasses on*

“Lukewarm first reactions to reveal”

So, they will cut number down, sell them all, and then boast how sales exceeded all expectations, then the line goes up, because who cares about taking a closer look? Already seen before…

 

[smulji]

or starters, less than 200,000 units in the first year will ship

It's only shipping initially in the USA with more countries set to come on board late 2024. You really think there are 200,000 willing buyers just in the USA?

 

[coolbreeze2]

It's only shipping initially in the USA with more countries set to come on board late 2024. You really think there are 200,000 willing buyers just in the USA?

Yes.

 

[AL2TEACH]

It isn’t about agreeing or disagreeing. It’s about the qualitative differences between a real world event and one that comes out of a plastic headset.

Lol, this is getting eh funny. There are people that get season tickets to a team's football games because they feel it's better than tv/googles etc...and others would feel the tv/googles are better for their reasons. The qualitative differences between real and googles depends on the events. Granted, there are somethings that are absolute and this is not one of them.
I hope, I can get those googles

 

[Surf Monkey]

Lol, this is getting eh funny. There are people that get season tickets to a team's football games because they feel it's better than tv/googles etc...and others would feel the tv/googles are better for their reasons. The qualitative differences between real and googles depends on the events. Granted, there are somethings that are absolute and this is not one of them.
I hope, I can get those googles

It’s amusing watching people attempt to devalue real world experiences simply because they want to put their heads inside an iPhone.

 

[superliu]

yeah but some random youtube channel reviewer will buy 5 units just to do drop test, throw it in the ocean, or pour lava on it, anything to make a stupid video and then claim apple care for a new unit. None of us regular people will be able to pick up an unit.

 

[ErikGrim]

Going to love coming back to this thread when the Vision Pro is on 6-8 weeks backorder the first day of release

 

[Surf Monkey]

Going to love coming back to this thread when the Vision Pro is on 6-8 weeks backorder the first day of release

Because that will prove what exactly?

 

[AL2TEACH]

It’s amusing watching people attempt to devalue real world experiences simply because they want to put their heads inside an iPhone.

Lol, options are good.

 

[Abazigal]

Google’s AR software leader is out over the company’s “unstable commitment and vision”

Google’s AR ambitions are looking less and less likely.

www.theverge.com

At this rate, Vision Pro is going to end up being the only game in town, if only because competitors like Facebook and google clearly lack the commitment needed to retain talent and succeed in the long term.

 

[The Game 161]

Going to love coming back to this thread when the Vision Pro is on 6-8 weeks backorder the first day of release

it might well be but thats due to how tough this tech is to produce. Not sure why you would see some delight in this though.

 

[ErikGrim]

it might well be but thats due to how tough this tech is to produce. Not sure why you would see some delight in this though.

I delight in people being wrong with their dumb predictions

 

[ErikGrim]

22 years later and Rob Malda is still best known for this:

Apple releases iPod - Slashdot

The BrownFury writes "At an invitation only event Apple has released their new MP3 player called the iPod. iPod is the size of a deck of cards. 2.4" wide by 4" tall by .78" thick 6.5 ounces. 5 GB HDD, 10 hr battery life, charged via FireWire. Works as a firewire drive as well. Works in...

slashdot.org

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

At least it's available to view on the website now! Ditto!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1682134928148910089