Correct. But that’s not important. What’s important is many Android products are priced similarly to Apple. Look at Samsung phones.
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Research Claiming Android Collects 20x More User Data Than iOS 'Off By An Order of Magnitude,' Says Google
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So while everyone enjoys all the FREE Google services and apps (Gmail, Chrome, Google Search, Drive, Photos, etc.), they also don't want any of their data collected. Money doesn't fall from trees, so either "free" becomes "paid" or stop complaining about data being collected about you. No one likes ads on TV, but without them, can you imagine how much TV would cost? Nothing is life is free...
This. I mean when an app or OS phones home, (of any kind), who really knows exactly what is being sent?
Apple's business plan is to collect as much money as possible from its users by rightpricing its products.
The market drives the correct price.
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You pay for it in the hardware cost. Even Apple's services are not "free" like iCloud. You pay for that "Free" 5gb when you buy the device.
Nothing in life is free despite what people seem to be blind to. You pay for it in money or your data; one or the other (or a combination of them).
Some other points:
- Why an old OS that is jailbroken? It will be 2 OS versions old shortly. Who knows how that affects what most users see on iOS14; considering it is on 81% of devices as of December (likely higher now). And jailbroken is less than a fraction of a percent. That can certainly affect what data s being sent back to Apple. That is not very real world.
- What is the data EXACTLY? The volume means zero. What the data is matters FAR more. 1mb of crash logs is meaningless compared to 10kb of personal data. The number means nothing without context.
Everyone needs to use some brain cells and ask the right questions, not just buy into a hype article to get clicks- Apple good, Google baaaaaaddd.
I was thinking it was 200X more data. Orders of magnitude off in the other direction.
Android is a mobile OS built by an advertising company.
Is anyone surprised?
Is anyone surprised?
well, for starters he using a jailbreak and old iOS version to test the results.. Don't you think that would have voided the rest it ?
How do we know the results are not different on a non-jailbreak phone, because i bet they would be.. Who knows what kind of firmware its fuzzed.
How do we know the results are not different on a non-jailbreak phone, because i bet they would be.. Who knows what kind of firmware its fuzzed.
If Apple's products were 'overpriced' then no-one would buy them.
Apple's revenue figures rather suggest that their pricing is spot-on.
Hundreds of millions of people choose to take their cash and exchange it for Apple products.
Such is the joy of living in a free-market economy.
no, an order of magnitude would mean Google collects 200 times as much data as iOS. (20*10, not 20+10).
Even that might be conservative. Google may use better compression. That amount of sharing would add up on someone without unlimited data plans. Can we look into how Android costs poor people more in cel phone overages?
for me BOTH os‘ should inform the user of the data being sent back either as an alert or at the beginning of initial powering on or during setup. What matters is what data is collected, who’s gaining access to it at what point in time n how got access n when if this shifts at any point in time, and finally my ability to not be whored out & out a stop to all or personal data.
"According to our research, these findings are off by an order of magnitude"
So it's only 19x as much
In all seriousness, this from the company that is being sued for collecting detailed personal data from people from it's programs after users explicitly opt-out. For crying out loud, they are being sued for violating their agreement with Apple and the end user by using Google Maps iOS to track peoples' specific movements when they aren't even using the app! Google can ****.
So it's only 19x as much
In all seriousness, this from the company that is being sued for collecting detailed personal data from people from it's programs after users explicitly opt-out. For crying out loud, they are being sued for violating their agreement with Apple and the end user by using Google Maps iOS to track peoples' specific movements when they aren't even using the app! Google can ****.
You think their data collection just goes into their Siri competitor?
I barely use Siri, but this is clearly a bad faith comment.
I agree that it’s free for a reason. If the product is free you have to think of why.
All that data collect can and does identify the user. A Mac address is unique to each device. With an iPhone we can more or less assume for most people 1 iphone = 1 person. It has a 1 to 1 relationship. Now being able to go outside of that and linking it up to other profiles is a little harder but can be done when you add in IP addresses and some other info you can start cross matching. It is fuzzy logic but can be done.
It is from the research itself. We got some BS headline grabbing but dig into the research itself and it right there. Google send in more raw data but Apple is collecting more private data. You do not have to go very far. Table 1 shows some of the information that Apple is sending back vs Google. Read the research itself. There is a reason why I called the headline crap.
It’s collecting 20 times as much data either way. The reality is any data that’s collected by Google or Apple can be linked to you. You have to sign into a Google account or an Apple account to use that phone. They don’t need to verify who you are every time they collect data. If Google wasn’t doing this they would’ve actually released exactly what date are they collect and how they use it specifically instead of making some BS statement.
The facts are Apple does not sell your data and they’re not in the business of selling your data to advertisers. Google is. I’m not saying either one is bad or good. If you have an android phone you’re sending all your data to google and it’s being used by Google for what they do.
In theory, yes. MAC addresses can be changed tho.
IIRC MAC addresses are collected (for APs I think) to build up a location database to assist in location triangulation for WiFi only devices without GPS capability, like iPad and iPod Touch.
Which means nothing is truly free. We "pay" one way or another.
Google "free users" are paying.... with their personal information. They just don't realize it because the practices of many "free apps" are not apparent or transparent.
Just like most US citizens think they are able to drive on the well-maintained Interstate Freeways for "free". They typically do not pay for a toll on the freeways, so they have the illusion that the nice roads are free to use. It is not free. They pay with taxes. The taxes they paid are what made those freeways and roads possible.
There is nothing inherently wrong with Google advertising tactics to support "free services". Just like there is nothing inherently wrong with Government taxing citizens in order to provide (illusory) "free infrastructure" like freeways and subsidized medical care (e.g. almost everyone in the USA gets COVID testing for free).
When does it become inherently "wrong" or malicious? When they hide the transparency from you. When the Government does not make taxation transparent. When Google/Facebook does not make their advertising (and information gathering) tactics transparent. When those entities try their best to hide these things from you... that's when it becomes inherently malicious.
No it is sending 20x raw bytes That is not the same thing as 20x data points. The raw bytes depends very heavy on the protocols and APIs being used.
Or Google could be sending the same data chunk with every thing so it adds up. Apple is being more compact.
Raw data in terms of bytes and say Google is 20x like this is just wrong. It is headline to get Google haters to scream but beyond that this is exactly what is headline grabbing crap. Read the research and understand it. In the research it turns out apple is grabbing a bit more privace data and Google grabbing more junk data.
