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I guess this is the next bandwagon for the anti-Apple zealots to jump on? What does this do that the iPad and Android devices don't? BTW the 16:9 ratio is really lame.
 
Apple leaves out ridiculously obvious things like HDMI, 1080p, etc. They innovate like crazy then hobble their awesome products on purpose.

Since when did HDMI and 1080p become the obvious things to have on a tablet? Sounds like the things the faux geeks think they want but will never use. I know I wouldn't use those things.
 
Since when did HDMI and 1080p become the obvious things to have on a tablet? Sounds like the things the faux geeks think they want but will never use. I know I wouldn't use those things.

DOUBLE POST I'M TELLING!

Hah.

Anyway, I completely agree with your post. Around the time the new iMacs came out, I was so upset that it didn't include Blu Ray. I bitched and complained all over MR along with many other people. Eventually I realized that, I didn't need it as much as I thought I did. My HP HDX has a BR Drive and I have watch ONE blu ray on it, ever.
 
Apple leaves out ridiculously obvious things like HDMI, 1080p, etc. They innovate like crazy then hobble their awesome products on purpose.

Care to explain to me how this tablet plays 1080p on a screen 600 pixels high?
 
Nothing like 1080p play back on a 1024 x 600 screen. Just like the iPad when are we going to read about people complaining about incorrect 16:9 aspect ratios?

??? The 1080p playback will be through the external connector. For a presentation driving device you need to hook to the projector. The projector can put it on the side of a 15' wall. (i.e., go to business conference presentation.. hook laptop to projector... give talk to an audience. Just do same thing with smaller box. Not 1-2 people huddled around a handheld device. ) . Don't think 1080p will be handy on that size screen ?



On the other hand, since the iPad will have Retina Display for their upcoming iPads the pixel dimensions on the new iPads will most definitely handle 1080p w/o any flaws in the aspect ratio.

That's extremely unlikley. Apple is having problems buying enough screens for iPads now. If trying to go to a screen with increased pixel density the yields will be much lower and they would have an even worse supply problem. The iPad screen isn't going to change much. At least for v2. The iPhone/Touch were much more mature products when Apple tweaked the screen.
 
I highly doubt a business person is going to give a presentation off of a 7" tablet. lol.
 
I highly doubt a business person is going to give a presentation off of a 7" tablet. lol.

Why not? So much easier to plug a projector into a tablet and run it through that than finding power points for laptops etc. Also more energy efficient/greener to use a device like this.

Control it through your BB app and you have a seamless solution - no USB drives need to brought in or secured.

Similarly connect via 3G to webex and you have another great solution.

Two or three others in the presentation could share their PlayBooks with other people receiving the presentation to drill down on different elements of the presentation.

The move away from large form factor laptops brings people closer together and better able to interact.

The iPad does the same thing though.
 
Remember, this is mobile. A Ghz race does not make sense here.

No matter is they have 2 o 4 cores, 1 or 3 Ghz, that is not the race. Some people want to play the PC game with mobile devices.

For mobile, battery life is king.


What we know: Playbook is for corporate, so they can ... play?
It needs a Phone in order to access corportate data.
All apps are in web or flash.
No price and no release date, just promises and an untouchable display model.

But, competition is good. Next february should be really exiting

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Hopefully the dual core a9 will push apple to follow suit.
 
I highly doubt a business person is going to give a presentation off of a 7" tablet. lol.
Why?
Considering most presentations are simple PowerPoint slides or a short video, what more would you need?
If it can eliminate the need for me to drag my laptop to a meeting then I'm all for it.
All our projectors at work are HD, so all I would have to do is plug in via the HDMI port and go.
 
Every Blackberry touch-input device that I have used has left me frustrated and glad I own an iOS device. This tablet MIGHT be better... might. Apple sure knows how to make our fingers happy.

Overall though, competition is a good thing for the consumer. (Bring on iPad 2 :))
 
What we know: Playbook is for corporate, so they can ... play?
It needs a Phone in order to access corportate data.
All apps are in web or flash.
No price and no release date, just promises and an untouchable display model.
Playbook... common term used in business for a business process or plan.
It does not "need" a phone to access data, it supports WiFi, but can tether to a BB if needed.
 
Care to explain to me how this tablet plays 1080p on a screen 600 pixels high?

Through HDMI output.


Since when did HDMI and 1080p become the obvious things to have on a tablet? Sounds like the things the faux geeks think they want but will never use. I know I wouldn't use those things.

You're in luck. Apple makes a device that doesn't do any of those things. The iPad is perfect for you.
 
I'm not a Blackberry fan but this new device has promise, especially if it forces Apple to step up their A-Game.

On another point, if it's true that the PlayBook supports Flash out of the box, hopefully it'll prove to Steve Jobs and all the other Flash naysayers that Flash CAN work on a tablet device.

Look at it this way; HTML 5 is NOT the future when it comes to viewing certain forms of content as like all other forms of HTML, it'll be never fully complete.

I resent being told that I should create two versions of a website; one for viewing on regular devices like a PC and one for the iPad just because Herr Jobs doesn't like Flash and he wants to push HTML 5 as the future.

If I create a website and people want to view it on a iPad, they'll have to view it on a iPad faults and all because there's no way I'm going to all the trouble to create a separate version just to appease a tiny minority of people who are viewing it on a iOS system.

At the end of the day, it's all about competition and if Apple want to stay in the tablet market, they'll have to bring genuine innovation with future iPads because I can guarantee you that the majority of iPad purchasers won't buy a product which has minor upgrades every year compared to a product that has at least a 2-year lifecycle.
 
I highly doubt a business person is going to give a presentation off of a 7" tablet. lol.

Tell you the truth it depends on their clients. If you think presentation are all about board room meetings then you can not be dead wrong. One of my cousin husbands works in sales and he does a lot of one on one with his clients (CEO, execs and so on) and right now he uses an iPad to for a lot of his product explanations. No need to wipe out a his laptop for those type of things. Instead he brings it up on his iPad and shows them on that. I have to give the guy credit. He showed his iPad sales part to his boss and then is boss like it so much he went out and bought like 30 of them for the entire staff.

Now from the example I put above it is the same concept here. It really a large enough device to hand over sales guy who sell really products like what my cousin's husband does. It works well and they can store contact and what not on it.

Remember this is a companion device to a cell phone. It is not a replacement of a laptop.
 
Don't make me laugh, macfan881.

The military's OMX systems has been helping in destroying those who oppose our country. Has Apple's OS done anything for that sector? Don't even bring up the Apple iphone story with US soldiers in Iraq using it. I already know about it and that's not even the primary system they use.

Do you really think the Pentagon would be that stupid to use Apple's OS to fight internet wars?

Once OMX goes mainstream, somebody in Job's office will weep like a girl.

You have been going on and on about how great QNX is, but share no facts as to why this might be.

QNX is essentially a lightweight microkernel unix. For embedded systems, like say an appliance, it is the perfect system, but I'm not sure if I agree that QNX does a whole lot for a tablet PC.

I still remember hacking around with QNX many years ago. It does have several advantages as a lightweight OS, but this was really only relevant back in about 2003 when mobile and embedded devices where severely underpowered compared to their desktop relatives.

If anything, iOS and Android are the perfect example of a mobile OS design in the modern era. Both are OSes based on solid desktop platforms, with reasonably mature SDKs. In the case of iOS, it is even better as you can develop and app with the same API calls on the desktop and it is quite trivial to port it to the iPhone and iPad. This is a huge advantage to a dev in that you can write your modules once and then write a platform specific UI on top of your code.

Android is also moving toward this sort of model with its base in Java and C++. While not as fluid as iOS, it is still pretty easy to port over java and C++ code to Android apps. The only real problem with Android at the moment is that it takes a bit more effort than it should to make a decent UI for an app. This gap is closing quickly and by Android 3 we should see a lot more focus on specific UI memes.

You also claim that there is some sort of "short coming" in iOS or MacOSX because the government doesn't use it in the pentagon? How does this even relate to what an OS does in the consumer space? In fact, if the government specs out QNX, then I'm pretty sure this is at least 5-10 years behind where I want it to be.

I think the choice of QNX is actually a huge short coming. Even though it is POSIX compliant, you have have developers choosing between the very profitable iOS platform, the untested Android platform (for profitability), and then Windows Phone 7 and RIM which are a mixed bag, especially in consumer space. Mobile devices live and die by their SDKs and Apps, just ask Palm about how their superior platform worked out without apps and devs. RIM has continually proven itself to be many years behind in SDK abilities and the choice of QNX just solidifies my view that they are not up to the task of making a SDK worth a devs time. Just look at how many SDK language they plan to support, and you can see RIMs classic lack of SDK focus.

Also with RIM not having a working device and at least 6 months out from release, I'd say the only thing that happened today is that RIM "punted" on a tablet.

With android tablets in the pipes and iPad 2 very close to reality, RIM is going to need a miracle for the playbook to even be relevant IMHO.
 
Remember this is a companion device to a cell phone. It is not a replacement of a laptop.

This is really important to point out, which is one reason why I have significant qualms with this "tablets are coming" narrative that has been going on for the better part of a year now. There are naturally going to be comparisons across capacitive touch driven by mobile operating system tablets, but I think they have their own reasons to exist.

The most ambitious platforms are iOS and probably webOS in what their long-term trajectories will most likely be. It's pretty clear that Apple is intending to put the iPad on a path towards replacing many tasks that would otherwise be done by a notebook - to an extent. I put webOS in this same category, because I think the OS is impressive enough and HP has the marketing muscle to put some weight behind it.

There is Blackberry's offering, which is clearly a companion to the Blackberry ecosystem and I think we can honestly think of it as a defensive posture. It's entirely a consumption and messaging device that will hopefully go into the hands of current Blackberry customers who might otherwise buy an iPad to just share presentations in a meeting, watch movies on a flight, and have a larger interface for doing email, etc. If Blackberry can slow the adoption of iPad in the office, it will have succeeded very well.

Finally there is the Google stuff, and I don't think anybody can say with much certainty what this space is going to look like. We need better guidance from Google on what their plans are for the next year (Chrome or Android). We also need bigger companies like Dell and Sony to give concrete details on what their Google plans are. I just don't think HTC or Samsung are going to cut it, but that is based on my belief that tablets are not going to follow the phone model of subsidies and contracts.

I'm more impressed with what Blackberry has done than what Samsung has accomplished, but the OS has to be as good as iOS, they have to get the price right, and they have to hope like hell that Apple doesn't keep the current $499 iPad and slash it to $399 come the spring. If I used a Blackberry and just wanted something to consume work and play stuff, this could be very compelling.
 
http://www.engadget.com/photos/ipad-vs-playbook-fight/#3407580

So THIS is the reason there are rumours of Apple making a smaller iPad... Reacting to competitor's actions from whatever (inside) information they prob got to the development of the playbook, filthy Apple :D

About the name, all I gotta say that there was as much **** being said about the iPAAAD (I always feel like I have down syndrome when I say that word) when it was first announced.
 
Yeah so?

Whats your point? Companies have playbooks. Its corproate speak. Its actaully a pretty good name I think.

It's a crap name for everywhere outside of America. It just sounds like a toy and completely unprofessional.
 
I think any other tablet is simply dead on arrival because they can't take advantage of the app store - unless they all team up and use the Android system, but even then it'll take quite a while to catch up.
 
It's a crap name for everywhere outside of America. It just sounds like a toy and completely unprofessional.

I agree. It sounds like a toy for children. And that screen is ridiculously small. Why 'upgrade' to that if you've already got a smart phone? It's not such a huge difference.
 
There is a huge difference in capability here.

Quite interesting that this gets 58 Positives; 28 Negatives, while the iPad introduction got 221 Positives; 410 Negatives. Just goes to show just how many trolls that show up here at times like that.. and then they tell us it's Apple that has blind fanboys.

Really if you can't see that then you need to take a trip to the eye doctor.

As to the current iPad, yeah I'm a bit down on it. However I acknowledge that it is a rev one device. Further this is business and sometimes you have to launch with what you have and not what you wish for. People need to realize that Apple woukd have went A9 if the hardware was available two years ago. In a nut shell I'm not happy with iPad but understand that it is a rev one device. It is how Apple will move the platform forward that makes or breaks with respect to the competition. Comparing a year old (actually much older) device to something arriving next year makes no sense. People need to worry about what Apple will have on the market next year to play against Playbook.
 
Why on earth do people think that RIM is the right company to provide a tablet adequate for doing presentations squirted to a projector? What software exactly does the RIM run?

I can tell you this. The iPad runs keynote, and there will soon be plenty of projectors and add-ons to projectors to support AirPlay.

HDMI. What a joke.
 
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