Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
faintember said:
Which matters when it comes to temperature?

Both CPUs and GPUs get crikey hot when running, instantly. They also cool down equally fast. I learnt this the hard way many years ago when I put my finger on a Pentium and turned the computer on 'just to see'.

So what the poster meant was, they should have stressed both the CPU and GPU to get the most heat produced.

The very first article that started the thermal paste problems saga used a IR temp gun, and claimed a significant 'before' and 'after' difference. I can't find it at the mo, but I'm sure someone else will linky it for you.

AppleMatt
 
i have just bought a macbook from Compusa, and it runs great, super fast, and it gets warm but i wouldn't say it get hot. . . and i have ran games on it and its fine, i have herd of some macbooks that the cases melt? i think thats a joke beacuse mine never go hot enough to melt the plastic case. . . and i didnt find any plastic thing on my vent, but then again its not that warm . . .

macmyworld said:
Gotta love all the rumors.

My MacBook was purchased in Las Vegas right from the first shipment. No plastic and it has been flawless.

Heat isn't bad at all, cooler than my old PowerBook and just a little warmer than my Dell Inspiron.

Love the screen -- glossy and all. No comparison to my 2005 Inspiron screen.

My only wish is that Apple would stock them with 1GB standard.


mine runs fine. . . better that my freinds G4 powerbook 1.67. . . that thing is much hotter. . .

i have yet to even here my fan's on mine
 
AppleMatt said:
The very first article that started the thermal paste problems saga used a IR temp gun, and claimed a significant 'before' and 'after' difference. I can't find it at the mo, but I'm sure someone else will linky it for you.
That i would like to see and thanks for the info. However, we are talking MBP vs. MB, dedicated graphics vs. integrated graphics. I highly doubt stressing the GPU on the MB would significantly raise the temperature.
If anyone in the triad area of NC has a IR gun, i would be happy to test my MB stressing both the CPU and GPU.
igentz said:
i have herd of some macbooks that the cases melt?
Link? This sounds like total crap. If it were true it would be all over the Mac sites.
 
plinden said:
So 5˚F (just slightly less than 3˚C) cooler? Do you think it worth it?

I'm pretty sure applying new thermal paste voids your warranty...
If the procedure would make it run as cool as my calculator and double battery life, I'd already have done it. But this improvement is barely noticable in heat or battery life so why bother?

If it is not working within the margins, return it and get another. If it does work and you can't accept it getting warm on heavy use, get a Dell so you know what a hot laptop really is.
 
faintember said:
^^^Arn's post about the guys over at MacDevCenter is an interesting one. Nothing like taking an external temperature reading after running both cores at 100%. Either way, my MB idles at 56° and hits 80° under 100% CPU load for 10 mins. Seems quite acceptable. I plan on doing a comparison of the temp readings i am getting today vs. tomorrow after i get my 7200rpm HD installed.
I just tested my wife's MacBook. There's no plastic blocking the vents. It measures 50˚C at idle, 65˚C playing a DVD, 84˚C at 100% load (doing 60 openssl calculations simulaneously - which really stresses the CPU)

The fans came on at 82˚C and the temperature never went above 84˚C. The temperature came down to 60˚C after a couple of minutes and is still dropping.

Even at 84˚C the case wasn't excessively hot.
 
Good to hear it plinden. I should have said in my original post that the 80°C under full load was the temp after a total of 10mins, not the peak. I believe it peaked at 87°C before coming back down, but stabilized around 79°C-81°C and finally settled at 80°C.
 
How much heat can the MacBook handle?

I have an iBook G3 900mhz, 640MB or RAM, running the latest 10.4.6 as a personal machine. Has had motherboard and hard drive replaced more than once in about 5 trips to Apple under extended warranty. Heat of notebooks causing early hardware failure has been a concern when purchasing portables. I've read Apple's tech notes on what to do to keep a notebook cool (hard flat surface, etc.), but this G3 iBook has spent more time in the "computer hospital" than I'd like.

My main workstation is a PowerMac G5 DP 2.0. As a tech coordinator for a small publishing co., my boss offered to buy me a MacBook for personal use (cheap enough for testing anyways) to see how well Mactel would fit into our workflow. It'd give me a chance to test some of our productivity apps as they come online as universal binaries, as well as how well some of our other stuff works under Rosetta. Our primary design app, Creator Pro, is supposed to be UB late summer. Photoshop and Acrobat Pro I'd need to at least run reliably, albeit slow, under Rosetta until Adobe can get them UB and I can work them into the budget. If PS could run under Rosetta on a core duo at least as fast as it would on a 400-500mhz PowerMac G5, that's livable in the short term.

Any reason why I should worry about excessive heat with a MacBook? I realize it is a "consumer" notebook, but so is the Mac mini a consumer product, but for small newspapers with limited budgets, the mini with the new lower prices for widescreen LCDs, has allowed us to put workstations in places where our budget wouldn't let us before.
 
pianodude123 said:
This probably doesnt apply to the Macbook Pro as well?

Maybe thats what the extra 900$ is for. For more thorough checking so that silly stupid errors like these dont happen any more.

I assume we will see a post in their support section soon about this issue.

Thats a shame.

actually the macbook pro's are worse...

I have been through 4 Mac Book Pro's and now I am buying a Lenovo laptop.
I have been a Mac user my whole life and to see how Apple can not even get simple hardware to work. It may be pretty but i NEED functionality especially for $2000!! - very disapointed with apple and will never get a laptop from them again.
 
I just got mine on Sunday. This is my first mac and I have to say I love everything about it. Except this heat issue. I mean mine is scorching hot. It is hands down hotter then any pc laptop I've had in the past.

I am concerned if my fans are even running. At first I though the macbook was amazingly quiet. But I am wondering if my fan is even running.
 
Should be hot

Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely the whole point of a laptop design is to conduct heat out of the limited confines of the case to the wider atmosphere? If the machine case feels hot, it's surely because it's doing its job? Certainly, I'd rather have a hot lap than a hot chip. Anything that makes the outside of the case cooler is just building up heat inside the case. You may be able to make the chips run cooler, but that necessarily comes at a cost, either of increased fan action, and hence power and noise, or a warmer lap. I've got my MB on my lap as I type, and on a typical British late Sping night I appreciate the warmth (let's face it, people pay good money for heat pads for their laps!). If I was bothered, I'd follow Apple's clearly stated advise and put a flat surface between the book and my lap.

Seems to me that all Apple's done is decided on one particular, out of many possible, compromise between internal heat, external heat, and fan noise/power consumption. The solution they've come up with emphasises a warm lap and a quiet computer (my MB fan hasn't come on once that I've noticed in my first 10 hrs of use). I'm happy with that design choice: your mileage may vary.
 
Good try, but it doesn't tell us about difference from applying thermal paste

That article points out an interesting fact: that constantly running fans can keep the case quite cool on one computer where thermal paste is applied properly (if the author did it properly). It also tells us that merely reapplying the thermal paste did not make for a automatically cool computer in this particular case.

Unfortunately, it tells us NOTHING about increases or decreases in temperature by reapplying thermal paste.

Looking at actual temperatures at intelmactemp.com for various people's MBP 2.0's, the average core temperature under load is about 80 C, with a standard deviation of about 7.5. The range of temperatures is 34 degrees. Based on these results and assuming that the author's computer and his friend's computer were both within the middle 68% of computers (in other words, the computers were normal -- not abnormally hot or cold), then applying the grease might have INCREASED the temperature of the author's core by about 14 degrees or DECREASED the temperature of the author's core by 18 degrees. Of course, the possible difference is even larger.

I'm really happy that people are trying to get to the bottom of this, but for others who try, I want to stress the importance of taking before and after measurements. Without these measurements, there is no way to determine what happened with the thermal paste.
 
Let me inform some people of some info I've figured out.

As a Rev. A Macbook Pro owner, I wasn't too happy when my MBP roasted my legs. So I sent it into Apple, and they replaced some temp sensors and such, really fixed nothing, THEN the battery crapped out. After they exchanged the battery, guess what.....the whole thing runs cooler! Even my sister who knows nothing about computers noticed it right away, and I mentioned nothing about a repair to her. If your battery is running extremely hot, you might have one of the bad ones like mine, the ones that have been known to report odd times remaining and quit with no warning. It also seems to fix the heat issue, at least from the half that's closest to you, the rest gets warm but not so unbearable that you can't stand it.

Others might want to test and verify this, but this could be at least a good alleviation of the heat!
 
dwsolberg said:
Looking at actual temperatures at intelmactemp.com for various people's MBP 2.0's, the average core temperature under load is about 80 C, with a standard deviation of about 7.5. The range of temperatures is 34 degrees. Based on these results and assuming that the author's computer and his friend's computer were both within the middle 68% of computers (in other words, the computers were normal -- not abnormally hot or cold), then applying the grease might have INCREASED the temperature of the author's core by about 14 degrees or DECREASED the temperature of the author's core by 18 degrees. Of course, the possible difference is even larger.
Not only is the deviation important, but also the accuracy and consistency of measurement. For the sake of argument, let's say that that test was accurate and the re-applied MBP did end up running 2C cooler.

It doesn't sound like much, but it is. A normal surface temperature for a person is 90-91˚F. The human "hot" sensitivity is 106-108˚F, and most people find temperatures in excess of 120-125 to be painful, which is just about 12 degrees of difference. In other words, if this test was accurate, it could easily be important to users, but it's within the manufacturing margin. People could be on the sensitive side of human variation with a computer on the warm side of manufacturing variation--an unfortunate situation that could lead to many complaints (but only a difference of a couple degrees).

Human skin (and the body in general) is remarkably temperature-sensitive, and a difference of a degree or two can be interpreted differently by two people. Remember that the difference between "normal" and "fever" is just over 2˚F. This makes the heat issue extremely subjective. What isn't subjective is safety limits--which the MacBook and MacBook Pro do comply with. Also not subjective are contact burning temperatures, which these products do not reach.

(Infrared thermometers are about $30 these days for people who want a rough estimate for their computers.)
 
sam10685 said:
what is thermal paste? what does it do? is it just some random form of goo that is put onto processors?

It's paste that is designed to help conduct heat off from the processor's core and away through some other cooling device like a cooling fan. Usually thermal paste is some gooey form of copper or silver, because they conduct heat most efficiently.
 
daijones said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely the whole point of a laptop design is to conduct heat out of the limited confines of the case to the wider atmosphere? If the machine case feels hot, it's surely because it's doing its job? Certainly, I'd rather have a hot lap than a hot chip. Anything that makes the outside of the case cooler is just building up heat inside the case. You may be able to make the chips run cooler, but that necessarily comes at a cost, either of increased fan action, and hence power and noise, or a warmer lap. I've got my MB on my lap as I type, and on a typical British late Sping night I appreciate the warmth (let's face it, people pay good money for heat pads for their laps!). If I was bothered, I'd follow Apple's clearly stated advise and put a flat surface between the book and my lap.

Seems to me that all Apple's done is decided on one particular, out of many possible, compromise between internal heat, external heat, and fan noise/power consumption. The solution they've come up with emphasises a warm lap and a quiet computer (my MB fan hasn't come on once that I've noticed in my first 10 hrs of use). I'm happy with that design choice: your mileage may vary.
It depends... There are more efficient and less efficient designs-- the question here is whether Apple could get the same performance with less heat. Someone mentioned the battery as a possible culprit-- if the charger is running full time because of a bad battery, then the unit will get hotter than it needs to.

Assuming that Apple designed their unit properly, then we may just be seeing the effect of a higher performance computer. You're right in saying the case is meant to pull the heat away from the stuff that doesn't want to be hot. One thing that's troubling is Apple says they went to Intel because they had the best performance/Watt but everything got hotter. It could be that they got 4x performance and twice the heat, or it could be that Intel isn't living up to its numbers. Or, it could be Apple's hardware/software design.

It's not just the chip itself that pulls power, but the memory around it. Then there's the push for faster and faster graphics, and I don't think the graphics companies are putting as much attention into low power design as they are into frame rates.
 
faintember said:
That i would like to see and thanks for the info. However, we are talking MBP vs. MB, dedicated graphics vs. integrated graphics. I highly doubt stressing the GPU on the MB would significantly raise the temperature.

A GPU is a GPU, and both will get incredibly hot under load. Just because it isn't as powerful (and it still performs quite well) doesn't mean it can ignore the laws of physics.

AppleMatt
 
this is going nowhere, just because 1 (one) person found some plastic.

And this may sound stupid, but i do believe the macbooks are called,
notebooks not laptops
meaning not for on your 'lap' because of the heat.
But i guess more people already pointed that out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptop
 
davede70 said:
I just got mine on Sunday. This is my first mac and I have to say I love everything about it. Except this heat issue. I mean mine is scorching hot. It is hands down hotter then any pc laptop I've had in the past.

I am concerned if my fans are even running. At first I though the macbook was amazingly quiet. But I am wondering if my fan is even running.

Apple tells you in the manual you shouldn't use it on your lap for an extended period of time. It is supposed to get warm. Personally, I prefer a warmer case than loud running fans. Don't worry if you don't hear your fans, they are rarely running at audible level. You can do the hardware test (details on the OSX CD that came with your Mac) to hear your fans at full throotle. You will find that the sound is very loud and scary ;)

Can someone maybe make a pref.pane where one could choose between desktop mode (no fans, warm case, like it is now) and laptop mode (fans running more to keep the case temperature below a given threshold)? I know running fans reduce battery life, but a comfortably cool laptop for typing stuff on trains or airplanes would be a nice thing.
 
MrCrowbar said:
Can someone maybe make a pref.pane where one could choose between desktop mode (no fans, warm case, like it is now) and laptop mode (fans running more to keep the case temperature below a given threshold)? I know running fans reduce battery life, but a comfortably cool laptop for typing stuff on trains or airplanes would be a nice thing.
That's a pretty good idea, actually, though I'd want it in desktop mode for planes and trains, because of how annoying the fan noise would be (and the fact that there's table space so it doesn't actually sit on your lap).

It should be possible, in theory, either to change the fan threshold or to fake the temperature sensors. Even something as tricky as a Pref. pane might not be necessary--a small application to run up the fans would do the trick. Just start to cool down, quit to return to normal. Obviously, this would seriously void the warranty, which is probably why it doesn't exist.
 
Mindfield said:
It's paste that is designed to help conduct heat off from the processor's core and away through some other cooling device like a cooling fan. Usually thermal paste is some gooey form of copper or silver, because they conduct heat most efficiently.

ahh. so why would too much of it be doing bad stuff?
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.