Respond to Engadget's Lion Preview

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by RebootD, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. RebootD macrumors 6502a


    Jan 27, 2009
    NW Indiana
    You can read the extensive preview of OSX Lion at their site.

    I'd say I have to agree with many of their comments and wanted to see what the rest of you power tower users thought.

    1. Full screen apps are nice but overkill for ical etc.
    2. Gesture based interface really only works with multi-touch so if you don't have a magic mouse or trackpad they won't do anything. (Which I don't, I use a Wacom tablet)
    3. Thankfully most of the default changes can be turned on/off like no app light (to let you know what is running), dashboard on it's own "space" etc.
    4. Personally I use spotlight or my dock for launching apps and I really don't get the whole iOS dashboard icon grid.

    Honestly I like to upgrade asap (I'm impatient) but having most of the 'features' being pointless (for me) and not knowing if Lion will break CS5, I am definitely holding off.
  2. ActionableMango macrumors G3


    Sep 21, 2010
    I'm really looking forward to "resume" and full disk encryption. Internet accounts and Full-screen apps (where appropriate) would also be useful.

    I personally won't use multi-user remote desktop, but I could see it being valuable to others. Imagine a few old G4 Mac Minis with the power of a Mac Pro behind them, even while the local Mac Pro user is using the Mac Pro simultaneously. Finally something for all those cores to do!
  3. VirtualRain macrumors 603


    Aug 1, 2008
    Vancouver, BC
    Things I'm most looking forward to:
    - New
    - TRIM for SSD's
    - Multi-user remote computing

    I'm all in favor of changes that make the OS easier for new users (particularly those coming from iOS devices) such as the Launchpad, Airdrop, Gestures, etc. A larger and growing Mac User base is a great thing. :)
  4. vincenz macrumors 601


    Oct 20, 2008
    I'm concerned about how all the gestures would work for those without a trackpad.

    I don't like the whole icon list either. Don't see the point in that.
  5. RebootD thread starter macrumors 6502a


    Jan 27, 2009
    NW Indiana
    Some good points here! I really am excited about the revamp of Mail (Finally a horizontal layout!) and 'Resume' could be useful as well.

    I think I was too focused on the whole UI change (gestures, iOS icon grids etc)
  6. TheStrudel macrumors 65816


    Jan 5, 2008
    I'm all for UI long as they can be optional. Or if they're unequivocally for the better (like resizing windows from any corner).

    Change is good, but as long as they allow power users to do things in a less newbie-friendly way, it'll be fine.

    TRIM is long overdue and thankfully arriving; resolution independence is also exciting.
  7. ActionableMango macrumors G3


    Sep 21, 2010
    Also looking forward to:
    Redesigned Finder
    Folder merging (finally!!!)
    Window resizing from any corner or edge of the window

    I will miss:
    Rosetta (yes I still use it)
    Front Row (there are probably decent alternatives)
  8. Joshuarocks macrumors 6502


    Mar 12, 2011
    Somewhere in Cyberspace

    If you must keep Rosetta, I'd keep snow leopard on a separate partition or dedicated drive, so that all your powerpc app needs can still function.. As of now I have the feeling that Rosetta isn't going to be supported in the final Lion release.. All attempts of trying to slip stream rosetta's 3-10mb package from snow leopard have failed.. I can't seem to get rosetta to install.
  9. Riot Nrrrd macrumors regular

    Riot Nrrrd

    Feb 23, 2011
    Lost Androideles
    Full Disk Encryption is retarded. Encrypting the OS is stupid because anyone can get it anyway - encrypt your own files.

    Plus, I can't wait for the first person that uses FDE to be hit with something like the infamous "Invalid B-tree node size" error that keeps their machine from booting. They boot from their Disk Warrior CD in desperation only to have Disk Warrior go "WTF is this ****???" since it doesn't grok FDE. :eek:
  10. ActionableMango macrumors G3


    Sep 21, 2010
    Retarded? What are you, 10 years old?

    The reason why I like FDE is that files that are opened, viewed, and edited can be recorded in unencrypted areas such as swap files, scratch files, and other temporary file types. Different programs use different methods and locations.

    When encrypted files are opened or edited, the information is decrypted and often placed in a temporary location. This means the information you took the time to encrypt is saved IN THE CLEAR in a temporary file, many of which are not cleaned up. Someone who has stolen your laptop for example, can get the information from your last session at a minimum, and quite possibly more than that.

    It's like keeping your gold in a vault at Fort Knox, except the last week's deliveries of gold are stored outside the fort in an unlocked shed.

    FDE ensures that no matter where or how your programs handle your data, permanently or temporarily, the data is encrypted.

    I'm sorry you can't wait for people's misery to occur. No doubt you will enjoy it a lot and call them retarded.

    In any case, I can't speak for OS X FDE because it isn't out yet, but for Windows there is a disk repair method for encrypted disks.
  11. j2048b macrumors 6502a

    Feb 18, 2009
    whats funny is i just got the app QUICKPICK from mac bundles and it is the SAME thing as their icon list !
  12. nanofrog macrumors G4

    May 6, 2008
    Assuming Resume works with any application (presume for the moment it does), then this would be a really great feature for users IMO.

    Particularly say a professional that was working on a large job (i.e. batch processing), and the power failed (no UPS, or it didn't provide enough time to get everything saved and shut down). Resume would be a lot easier for them as the software would pick up where it left off, rather than the user have to re-perform work that was lost (assuming this feature wasn't included in the application).
  13. elvisizer macrumors 6502

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    this made me LOL.
    maybe you can explain your reasons for this to my CTO? I'm sure he'd listen to you. :D
  14. Riot Nrrrd macrumors regular

    Riot Nrrrd

    Feb 23, 2011
    Lost Androideles
  15. Riot Nrrrd macrumors regular

    Riot Nrrrd

    Feb 23, 2011
    Lost Androideles
    So because you don't understand the modern slang usage of the phrase "retarded", you resort to ad-hominems? Who is the 10 year old here? :rolleyes:

    Then, instead of rebutting my technical arguments ("I can't speak for OS X FDE") you insult me again?

    There are several places on the 'Net - both on Apple's Discussion boards as well as PGP's own site/boards - that talk about how you cannot boot from a DiskWarrior CD to repair a system with a disk that uses FDE.

    I have no problem with encrypting data files (e.g. FileVault). But FDE interferes with the operation of the system at its very lowest levels, namely reading/writing the disk. I can recite a litany of offenses that make this a Really Bad Idea™ (performance impact, making your system beholden to a 3rd party vendor, aforementioned problems with repair utilities, etc.). If you think having encrypted swap files is worth that sort of trade-off, well ...
  16. DeeEss macrumors 6502a

    Jan 17, 2011
    I like the new icon interface. I've been using a similar thing since 10.5. Put App aliases in a folder and drag it into the dock as a stack.

    Also look forward to Resume.
  17. inigel macrumors regular

    Mar 14, 2008
    No where
    I think I read some words somewhere that mentioned it has to be developer implemented. That was in an early "impressions" of OS X Lion article when Apple first announced it.

    On topic, some of these features sound nifty. But there are a few I hope can be deactivated without too much Terminal wizardry. I'm not fussed on the window resizing from any sides, in Windows and Ubuntu I'm forever accidentally resizing windows when I just want to move them.
  18. ActionableMango macrumors G3


    Sep 21, 2010
    You are correct, I apologize for the ad-hominem attack. I needed to belittle you and it was wrong. When you stated that FDE is retarded, you implied (perhaps inadvertently) that everyone who uses FDE is retarded, and I took it personally. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but it still seems implied to me.

    Here is my reasoning.

    FDE works great for me on Windows, and has so for years. There is a disk recovery method, but I've never needed it. I also have backups.

    The fact that access to the data can occur is actually unimportant believe it or not. Loss of access is equivalent to data loss. Data loss can occur any number of ways, including a simple hard drive failure. Even RAIDs can fail. This is what backups are for. A backup strategy should be implemented regardless of whether you are using FDE or not. I have had two hard drives fail that weren't backed up. Both events were over 10 years ago, and I feel that loss even today. Backup, backup, backup.

    A friend of mine works at a place where FDE is actually required for certain positions, including his. So yes, some data is absolutely worth being 100% encrypted.

    Another benefit is one of simple convenience. You enter the password once, at bootup, and don't have to bother again. You don't have to mount encrypted containers as virtual drives, you don't have to enter a password each time you access a new encrypted container. Just encrypt the entire thing.

    FDE works great for me on Windows, and I hope it's as well implemented in Lion. I don't use PGP, and Lion isn't out yet, so I can't speak for those implementations of FDE.
  19. nanofrog macrumors G4

    May 6, 2008
    This wouldn't surprise me (need to call on the correct API/s), which is why I worded it the way I did. I expect we'll find out for sure in the not too distant future, when the final release is reviewed. ;)
  20. Bubba Satori Suspended

    Bubba Satori

    Feb 15, 2008

  21. seek3r macrumors 6502

    Aug 16, 2010
    Considering that the OSX implementation of FDE is rather new that's not exactly surprising. It's like complaining that fdisk doesnt do GPT and you need to use parted. The right tools and updated tools will come.

    No, that would have to be hardware based FDE, which also exists.

    And here is where you go off the deep end. If I'm already going to take the encryption performance hit I'd like my data to actually be secure, and that means swap, RAM, tmp, etc. And yes, there really are people that work on sensitive info for which this is good, and necessary.

    You don't want it? Don't use it, but don't be childish and whiny about it.
  22. xgman macrumors 601


    Aug 6, 2007
    At first I thought this would be cool, but now I find the dashboard icon thing extremely limited and more useless than useful.
  23. Pressure macrumors 68040


    May 30, 2006
    I assume you don't have the Magic Mouse with its trackpad?

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