Why should be pay attention to you? If EVERYONE with a new rmbp thought it was crap, it would have been headline news, and it would be slaughtered by all the reveiwers, but it hasn't! People are generally happy with their new mac..
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Why should be pay attention to you? If EVERYONE with a new rmbp thought it was crap, it would have been headline news, and it would be slaughtered by all the reveiwers, but it hasn't! People are generally happy with their new mac..
You sir, are very helpfull! Made me stop regretting that I ordered it
But can you tell me the performance in the OS animations(mission control, spaces, zoom etc.) in "best for retina" and "more space" mode?
In "best for retina" resolution things work exactly like you'd expect. No issues with lag whatsoever. I don't use the "more space" resolutions much (except for games which have their own resolutions), but I tried it for a second and didn't notice any lag with spaces, mission control, or zooming. That's not to say there isn't a performance deficit (there's even a dialog that comes up when you change resolutions stating performance might suffer), but to my naked eye I couldn't tell a difference. I will say that things were slightly less sharp at anything other than retina resolution, but that's the case with any monitor when you run it at anything other than native resolution. I think that because the retina display is so sharp, that anything less seems more glaring by comparison. It's all relative I suppose. The display still looked phenomenal and better than any other I've used at any resolution.
Like you I had time to kill before I received my computer, and I read this forum daily and started to regret my purchase based on all the negativity. No worries mate. You're going to love your computer. Just upgrade to Mountain Lion when it comes out.
I'm writing this on a rMBP. I find it excellent in everything I've wanted it to do so far. I have no regrets about getting it, and i believe that only a few people will.
It seems so fast that the only way they will be able to make a machine faster is if they manage to make one that will read your mind so it will eliminate the lag between your thoughts and the hitting of the keys.
Unless you are extraordinarily hard to please this is going to knock your socks off. It most definitely is the best laptop that Apple's built, or perhaps anyone has ever built.
It seems so fast that the only way they will be able to make a machine faster is if they manage to make one that will read your mind so it will eliminate the lag between your thoughts and the hitting of the keys.
Unless you are extraordinarily hard to please this is going to knock your socks off. It most definitely is the best laptop that Apple's built, or perhaps anyone has ever built.
If you don't have a perfect experience, it would seem like there are a few options:
1) Something is wrong with the hardware (e.g., battery, screen, whatever)
2) There is incompatibility with some newer software (e.g., Google Chrome)
3) The reality doesn't meet your expectations (e.g. minor scroll lag in Facebook).
#2 and #3 are part of being an early adopter and the majority of that should be fixed with ML and as software vendors catch up.
So the options are either return the system (if it is #2 or #3) and wait a few months, years, etc or exchange the system (#1).
I actually didn't notice the Facebook lag until I read about it. Facebook on this system is much faster than my last system though so that could be the primary reason. The safari lag in general is barely noticeable to me.
I didn't install Google Chrome after I read about other users issues. And I'm willing to wait for the software to catch up. I even used Pages and I didn't have a problem with it.
Again, if you aren't happy with the system after you buy it, then there is no harm in returning it.
I'd tend to believe feedback from people who actually own the computer over the feedback from somebody who has spent five minutes with it in a retail store. But hey, it's your opinion.
its alright the people who a disgruntle will say anything and continue to be ignorant.. read the ipad 3 screen forums. "everyone who has a perfect screen just cant see it, its really messed up but they dont care etc."
its hilarious.
for everyone who had rMBP do u feel any laggy in UI like minimize or zooming or like transition graphic? and how big difference eyes experience this rMBP and hi res 15" ? actually iam gonna get the classic with hi res but after i read about ML can fixed the laggy, iam start to get confuse to choose AGAIN...
don't say "go to apple store" we don't have any apple store here and the authorized seller still don't have this brand new mchine till august. iam goin to order it by my brother because tomorow he have a trip to singapore.
so i need your adviced for who has experience this rmbp or cmbp for more than a week. thanks!
don't say "go to apple store" we don't have any apple store here and the authorized seller still don't have this brand new mchine till august. iam goin to order it by my brother because tomorow he have a trip to singapore.
so i need your adviced for who has experience this rmbp or cmbp for more than a week. thanks!
I've used my rMNP about 10 hours a day since I got it last thursday, so not quite a week but I feel I can give a good opinion on my experience.
I've hardly noticed any lag on websites or across the OS. The odd site stutters a bit here and there but it doesn't have an impact on my day to day tasks.
There is a definitely a difference between rMBP and his res 15'- this includes sharper text and better colours on the rMBP so if these factors are important to you then you might feel inclined to wait for ML.
Going to the Apple store wouldn't help anyway as it seems their machines either aren't updated and/or are running demo software that slows them down.
I've had no issues with UI lag, and only the occasional lag in some websites (the poorly designed ones with lots of flash or animations). But that's with any computer.
If you want the retina, get it. You won't be disappointed. But I'm sure the hi res classic MBP would suit your needs as well. Just don't base your decision off the fire-alarm posts that are floating around these forums.
The display is stunning, indeed. After almost two weeks, I've loved mine every day. Once Spotlight stopped indexing, and I downloaded the newest updates, I haven't noticed any scrolling or other UI lag. I can certainly understand why this isn't the machine for everyone, but it's a good fit for me, and I'm sure that you'll love your's.
The "Dude";15120401 said:
hmm yeah maybe my needs fit in cMBP, cause i can't afford the retina with highend model. if i pick the base model, i hate lacks of hdd and it's not upgradeable HW. but what i heard and i saw in many site it's display very stunning... ireally confuse with this choice.. so last question to you guys how much real life, real eyes different experience beetwen the retina and the hi ress 15"???
and is it the dpi in 15" hi res same as the ipad 2 ?
The "Dude";15114027 said:
That is a little presumptuous don't you think? I bought one the first day it was out. Took it back less than a week later because I couldn't' use the apps for my work. The retina isn't ready for prime time for us who rely on it for our work. I run my business on my MBP.
I think most people who buy Macbook Pro's can afford one. I mean the cost of the retina isn't any more then Most MBP's or even cheaper from last years. I paid more for my current MBP from last year. Most of my machines from my business cost more than the retina.
There are many reasons people who don't buy it. Upgrade ability, can't use for work purposes, don't like it, don't want to upgrade yet or like what they have. I personally have a 2011 model with the 2.5 i7 with a 256 SSD and 16GB of ram. I am in no need to upgrade performance wise.
I will buy one again, but when the apps I need catch up with the display.
I am sure there are people who can't afford one. No need to rub it in their noses with a comment like that. That is low class.
And remember, iamthedudeman. You're just 'the dude'.
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That is a little presumptuous don't you think? I bought one the first day it was out. Took it back less than a week later because I couldn't' use the apps for my work. The retina isn't ready for prime time for us who rely on it for our work. I run my business on my MBP.
I think most people who buy Macbook Pro's can afford one. I mean the cost of the retina isn't any more then Most MBP's or even cheaper from last years. I paid more for my current MBP from last year. Most of my machines from my business cost more than the retina.
There are many reasons people who don't buy it. Upgrade ability, can't use for work purposes, don't like it, don't want to upgrade yet or like what they have. I personally have a 2011 model with the 2.5 i7 with a 256 SSD and 16GB of ram. I am in no need to upgrade performance wise.
I will buy one again, but when the apps I need catch up with the display.
I am sure there are people who can't afford one. No need to rub it in their noses with a comment like that. That is low class.
And remember, iamthedudeman. You're just 'the dude'.
Can I ask what you do for work?
What programs do you use?
The Retina screen interferes with your work in a negative way?
I am sure there are people who can't afford one. No need to rub it in their noses with a comment like that. That is low class.
That's not rubbing it into their noses. If they cannot afford a product and decide to make things up hoping other people won't enjoy it is even lower class. Those are the people he was targeting- not the people who want it but simply can't afford it.
Agreed. I ran over to my local Apple store the day after the announcement hoping to grab a new rMBP (thankfully, they had none in stock). But after playing with the display models, I also concluded that the apps I use just aren't ready for RD prime time.
I work daily with office apps like Word and Pages, and the text there is awful on the RD. 1990s bad.
It's just not worth it to buy an expensive new notebook when it actually works worse for much of what you do.
really like mine. i have been using to edit photos and i have a newer 27" monitor next to it to do detail work. however it is fun to put the worked on images on the 15" as they seem to pop more. great machine for what i do.
Yeah, i'm liking this thing big time. Everything is much clearer. The detail is very useful.
I will never go back, and that's the bottom line. It's a great combo with my 27" Thunderbolt display, which has a great image, but not nearly as good as this notebook now.
I also own an 11" Air, which I love, and will keep also, as it fills a niche nicely.
I will never go back, and that's the bottom line. It's a great combo with my 27" Thunderbolt display, which has a great image, but not nearly as good as this notebook now.
I also own an 11" Air, which I love, and will keep also, as it fills a niche nicely.
Yeah, it's a case of 'Your milage may vary" perhaps.
Test your apps, if they work your good to go. If not, look elsewhere.
I haven't used mine enough to run into any lag. If I do, and it starts to bug me, the thing will have to go. So far so good though, and it would be a cry'n shame if this where to happen.
That is a little presumptuous don't you think? I bought one the first day it was out. Took it back less than a week later because I couldn't' use the apps for my work. The retina isn't ready for prime time for us who rely on it for our work. I run my business on my MBP.
I think most people who buy Macbook Pro's can afford one. I mean the cost of the retina isn't any more then Most MBP's or even cheaper from last years. I paid more for my current MBP from last year. Most of my machines from my business cost more than the retina.
There are many reasons people who don't buy it. Upgrade ability, can't use for work purposes, don't like it, don't want to upgrade yet or like what they have. I personally have a 2011 model with the 2.5 i7 with a 256 SSD and 16GB of ram. I am in no need to upgrade performance wise.
I will buy one again, but when the apps I need catch up with the display.
I am sure there are people who can't afford one. No need to rub it in their noses with a comment like that. That is low class.
And remember, iamthedudeman. You're just 'the dude'.
I wasn't intending to be presumptious or condescending in any way. Maybe it was a bad choice of words on my part. So let me clarify...
You can't throw a rock at these forums and not hit a post that's talking about the newest fatal flaw on the rMBP. The problem is however, that most of those people posting don't actually OWN the machine. Maybe they used it at the local Best Buy or Apple Store for 15 minutes and found scrolling to be laggy. Well it's a fairly popular consensus in these forums that those machines may not be running the latest software, or are in a kiosk mode that bogs them down, or maybe they just weren't set up properly by the store staff in the first place. But these people are causing a hysteria that is very off-putting to others who may be deciding whether or not to buy the retina. I've read countless posts from people who said "no way I'm getting a retina if it's laggy!". And that's a shame, because the ones who actually own the machine and have used it daily, myself included, love it!
You actually owned the machine, and had a very specific reason for returning it. The third party application support didn't fit your needs. But it wasn't a fatal flaw in the hardware or performance that caused you to send it back.
I'm not rich by any means. I was saving up for a top of the line iMac which never arrived, and decided instead to get the Retina. This machine certainly isn't for everyone, as you mentioned. It would just be nice if those who are wondering if the Retina is a good machine to buy we're able to get honest opinions from actual owners. Unfortunately those opinions are drowned out by the 100s of posts about Facebook lag and "burn in extraordinaire".
The "Dude";15114027 said:
First of all that can't afford thing is highly offensive.
People are right to complain that they are getting stiffed by apple for not being able to update their ram with the latest and greatest and cheapest in 2-3 years and extend the life of their computer when it's a pro machine that's so very expensive. Valid criticism to apple for that is very warranted, as well as the proprietary lock in to 256gb as a base model, again not being able to upgrade to much better, faster, more robust and cheaper standard ssds is a sham.
I am going to be ordering mine soon, because I am sure the retina is stunning and I value a good quality screen, hence I will suffer through pre 2007 storage levels on a pro machine at 256gbs because I refuse to pay apple the extra 70% margin and upgrade to more storage. (Another way they are being dishonest here, they should have offered bto storage at every cpu type they offer, if a user wants the less capable cpu but more storage they should be able to order more bto storage on the base model.)
But taunting people who are critical of the many compromises and apple's turning a pro machine to an almost non upgradable ipod, telling them you can't afford it not only shows bad manners (even if they can't afford it you shouldn't be rubbing it in their face, that's what I mean) but also ignorance because being able to afford something doesn't mean you also like getting ripped off and have so many compromises in your device.
By the same token anyone who doesn't want to spend upawars of $3000 for the "new" and "updated" mac pro, can't afford it? Or are they rather making an informed choice in that they don't want to throw money down the drain for a pro computer (apple have some nerve btw) that in 2012 lacks usb 3, thunderbolt and has 2 year old cpus and gfx?
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By the same token anyone who doesn't want to spend upawars of $3000 for the "new" and "updated" mac pro, can't afford it? Or are they rather making an informed choice in that they don't want to throw money down the drain for a pro computer (apple have some nerve btw) that in 2012 lacks usb 3, thunderbolt and has 2 year old cpus and gfx?
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This must be plain trolling
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