the antenna issue had to have a few other factors come into play to be an issue
the ghosting of a display on a computer where the main feature is it's screen is quite bad
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Retina MacBook Pro Users Still Complaining of Image Persistence
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the antenna issue had to have a few other factors come into play to be an issue
the ghosting of a display on a computer where the main feature is it's screen is quite bad
It is truly unfortunate for the people spending upwards of $2k on a machine and getting the POS LG screen [ I know, my first rMBP was an LG ] and Apple continuing to ignore the issue [ at least publicly ] 
My replacement unit has, thankfully, a Sammy screen and I've run every test [ including the checkerboard ] many times, for several minutes [ actually I left the checkerboard on my screen for almost 9 hrs, un-intentionally, as I stepped out and got held up with some errands ] and ZERO IR!
I wish, and hope even if it happens behind the scenes and Apple never admits to the LG being an inferior screen, they switch to Samsungs exclusively or some manufacturer of the same caliber [ I don't know who that might be ... ]
I am perfectly happy [ ecstatic ] with my rMBP and hope the ones with LG displays, get a swap for a Samsung, even if it takes a while!
My replacement unit has, thankfully, a Sammy screen and I've run every test [ including the checkerboard ] many times, for several minutes [ actually I left the checkerboard on my screen for almost 9 hrs, un-intentionally, as I stepped out and got held up with some errands ] and ZERO IR!
I wish, and hope even if it happens behind the scenes and Apple never admits to the LG being an inferior screen, they switch to Samsungs exclusively or some manufacturer of the same caliber [ I don't know who that might be ... ]
I am perfectly happy [ ecstatic ] with my rMBP and hope the ones with LG displays, get a swap for a Samsung, even if it takes a while!
You seem a little confused. Do you like them or not? Could it be that you only dislike defective ones? Yes, I thought so.
I have an iMac and when you turn that on and get to the grey logon screen, you can see a burn-in of the dock ;(
Agreed. Steve Jobs' obsession with perfection is what lead to these products in the first place. If he got one for his personal use and had these issues, he would have gone on a rampage at Apple. So customers shouldn't feel bad for being perfectionists. It's a quality Jobs embraced.
But when you're working with so many suppliers, it's hard to keep that level of quality; you just don't have enough control over the manufacturing process.
On the other hand, these new displays are new tech. Problems are bound to happen. "Never buy Rev. A Apple" does have truth in it. I hope Apple is forthcoming in fixing this for y'all.
I just bought an LG LM6200 LED LCD TV, and replaced it with an LG LM7600 due to motion blur/ghosting issues.
Both panels have problems with motion blur/ghosting, despite LG's marketing 120Hz and 240 Hz Trumotion feature.
On the TVs, I discovered that the panels do NOT actually have 120Hz and 240Hz refresh rates, respectively, but at 60Hz and 120HZ instead. They achieve double their native refresh rates through a technique called backlight scanning, which involves processing images through an algorithm and flashing them sequentially across the panel.
LG does not have these things down yet. Their algorithms are garbage. Many other people have complained of the same problem.
For me personally, LG has lost me as a customer for life. I will never buy another LG TV, phone, appliance, etc.etc. ever again. It's not so much that they had a defect in their software/firmware, but they have the stones to advertise directly contrary to that flaw despite the issue.
Both panels have problems with motion blur/ghosting, despite LG's marketing 120Hz and 240 Hz Trumotion feature.
On the TVs, I discovered that the panels do NOT actually have 120Hz and 240Hz refresh rates, respectively, but at 60Hz and 120HZ instead. They achieve double their native refresh rates through a technique called backlight scanning, which involves processing images through an algorithm and flashing them sequentially across the panel.
LG does not have these things down yet. Their algorithms are garbage. Many other people have complained of the same problem.
For me personally, LG has lost me as a customer for life. I will never buy another LG TV, phone, appliance, etc.etc. ever again. It's not so much that they had a defect in their software/firmware, but they have the stones to advertise directly contrary to that flaw despite the issue.
Yes, many people going through up to 7 displays to get a working Samsung are all crazy. My three defective Retinas are also my imagination running wild.
I shouldn't bother answering trolls. If you are enjoying the paragon of perfection why would you be showing up here telling us we are lying? Yes, you are trolling, and nice to see you troll in every forum. You probably still deny antennagate too or any defect with any Apple product.
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You buy something, if it's not right you return it. If that's not right, you buy 'another product'.
You DON'T go chasing rainbows like some halfwit.
I have a Retina. I didn't test it as I haven't seen anything wrong. If I did I would have tested it and then made a decision as to it being really defective or not. If I judged it defective, I would have just returned it and bought a Macbook Air.
But what amazes me is that that I would not even be able to return something more than twice. I would be physically incapable of it.
I just would be to ashamed at my own childish behavior.
You DON'T go chasing rainbows like some halfwit.
I have a Retina. I didn't test it as I haven't seen anything wrong. If I did I would have tested it and then made a decision as to it being really defective or not. If I judged it defective, I would have just returned it and bought a Macbook Air.
But what amazes me is that that I would not even be able to return something more than twice. I would be physically incapable of it.
I just would be to ashamed at my own childish behavior.
Exactly! I wonder how many people would even notice IR if they did not do the test or read about it on the internet. I bet a lot less. Why can't people just enjoy a product rather than looking for defects and running stupid tests that do not mimic real world situations? What do you people do when you buy a new car or buy a house? Spend endless amounts of time searching for defects? Unreal.
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Enough with the boring OCD accusations, you just look like a tool.
Mine is very bad
I have an LG and the ghosting is very bad even with objects that are not on the screen very long. Can make out the details of the ghosted image easily. Hate to have to send it in but it is bothersome...and I am not necessarily a very picky person.
I have an LG and the ghosting is very bad even with objects that are not on the screen very long. Can make out the details of the ghosted image easily. Hate to have to send it in but it is bothersome...and I am not necessarily a very picky person.
What bothers you more though, the image retention, or the fact that your 2k+ laptop has image retention?
Either way, send it back. Apple shouldn't be allowed to get away with such lacklustre screens.
I haven't met an Apple LCD in 10 years that hasn't had issues. Bleeding, uniformity, flashlights, mura ...
My iPad has issues, the three 2009 Macbook Pros I returned precisely because of the display quality, my Macbook, my 2012 Macbook Pro (which I'm living with) ...
That's one of the reasons I will never buy an Apple Display.
My iPad has issues, the three 2009 Macbook Pros I returned precisely because of the display quality, my Macbook, my 2012 Macbook Pro (which I'm living with) ...
That's one of the reasons I will never buy an Apple Display.
ahh! I want to buy one right away but don't want to take a $3k gamble on this issue. I know there's a chance I'll get samsung panel but the odds of getting an LG with the problem(and then the chance of exchanging for another LG) is really putting me off. I deal with the creative suite daily so I need a clean screen.
Translation: I didn't really notice it nor would it bother me until I read about it here on the forums.
Sigh. Some of us found these threads after googling to figure out what was wrong with our rMBPs, not the other way around. On my first rMBP, I discovered the problem when I could read the text of emails on my wallpaper (which was the default galaxy, actually).
My first one was so bad, it would burn in after only a minute or two, so I had no problem showing the Genius. Got it replaced a couple weeks ago, now I'm just starting to see the faint outlines of my windows after I quit an app.
Except you have a vastly inferior product.
Same CPU, same chipset, same architecture, same video card. The only thing setting your machine apart from mine is that screen, which makes 90% of current software look like crap, and that SSD, which is of an uncommon form factor (I can upgrade my SSD many times over; you only have OWC's 480GB kit). That leaves thinness...yes, your computer is thinner than mine. Good thing I am capable of lifting 5 pounds. So...vastly inferior?
Apple notoriously likes to blame display issues on the user. Just look at the current generation iMacs that commonly get a smoky discoloration INSIDE the LCD panel that can't be cleaned. From experience, Apple claims that displays used in Ohio and Illinois (and a number of other places) are in an environment unfit for Apple machines due to the humidity. I live within 800ft of a flagship Apple Store. It's hardly a harsh environment.
I expect they'll do the same thing here. They'll replace your display a couple times, blaming it on you for leaving a window open too long, and then eventually start denying repair coverage when the issue is never resolved. That's how it went on the iMacs.
I expect they'll do the same thing here. They'll replace your display a couple times, blaming it on you for leaving a window open too long, and then eventually start denying repair coverage when the issue is never resolved. That's how it went on the iMacs.
The Retina MBP issue is just more evidence that Apple has joined the ranks of many other consumer electronic companies selling hardware of questionable quality.
In the Good Ol' Days Apple hardware was pretty much bullet-proof; it was the main reason we could justify paying a premium over PC prices. But around the time Apple switched from PowerPC chips to Intel the long downhill slide began... The internal hardware was poorer quality and some Macs I purchased had multiple hardware failures. My 2006 24" iMac needed a new display that would have cost $1100 if I didn't have extended AppleCare. (I originally paid $1100 for the iMac at the U of O Bookstore...)
Thus, it became necessary to always purchase extended AppleCare...
Apple's handling of these hardware defects has not been all that good either. The NIVIDIA GPU defect "extended warranty" is a fiasco for anyone with an MBP that dies after the warranty expires. (Oh yeah, I forgot that we are supposed to get rid of our $2000 MBPs within three years of purchase because everyone knows that they are obsolete by then...) If the GPU failed and Apple fixed it, you received... wait for it... another faulty NVIDIA graphics card. Just keep your fingers crossed that it fails within the extended warranty that starts when you purchased the MBP and not when the GPU was replaced with another potentially faulty graphics card.
Sad to say, all the people on this forum who Could Not Wait for the Latest and Greatest Apple product should have known they were taking a big risk by buying the rMBP. Past experience and early reports of display problems should have been enough to keep the credit card in your wallet until the hardware issues came to light and we saw how Apple was going to handle it.
But a lot of people could not resist, being the well-trained lemmings... I mean consumers that America produces by the millions. So it goes. All you can do is Suck It Up and file this memory in your skullbanks so that the next time Apple rolls-out a "revolutionary product" you will do the smart thing and wait for others to do the hardware beta testing.
In the Good Ol' Days Apple hardware was pretty much bullet-proof; it was the main reason we could justify paying a premium over PC prices. But around the time Apple switched from PowerPC chips to Intel the long downhill slide began... The internal hardware was poorer quality and some Macs I purchased had multiple hardware failures. My 2006 24" iMac needed a new display that would have cost $1100 if I didn't have extended AppleCare. (I originally paid $1100 for the iMac at the U of O Bookstore...)
Thus, it became necessary to always purchase extended AppleCare...
Apple's handling of these hardware defects has not been all that good either. The NIVIDIA GPU defect "extended warranty" is a fiasco for anyone with an MBP that dies after the warranty expires. (Oh yeah, I forgot that we are supposed to get rid of our $2000 MBPs within three years of purchase because everyone knows that they are obsolete by then...) If the GPU failed and Apple fixed it, you received... wait for it... another faulty NVIDIA graphics card. Just keep your fingers crossed that it fails within the extended warranty that starts when you purchased the MBP and not when the GPU was replaced with another potentially faulty graphics card.
Sad to say, all the people on this forum who Could Not Wait for the Latest and Greatest Apple product should have known they were taking a big risk by buying the rMBP. Past experience and early reports of display problems should have been enough to keep the credit card in your wallet until the hardware issues came to light and we saw how Apple was going to handle it.
But a lot of people could not resist, being the well-trained lemmings... I mean consumers that America produces by the millions. So it goes. All you can do is Suck It Up and file this memory in your skullbanks so that the next time Apple rolls-out a "revolutionary product" you will do the smart thing and wait for others to do the hardware beta testing.
You def had a reason to bring it in an exchange it and I see not one problem for that. I have a problem w people that have to run a test to see very very faint IR on only a grey background. People that bring it in for the reason I mentioned are going to ruin it for people like you that actually have a real problem. Apple is just going to continue to get more and more picky with there returns or services when it comes to retina screens.
Don't say this!
My rMBP is being delivered on Wednesday and now I'm concerned about this.
I've returned countless iPhones and iPads because of dead pixels and/or dust under the screen so please let me have a nice, trouble free run with this rMBP!
Yes I DO expect perfection for the money that Apple charges - rather than boasting about how many of these devices they are selling, they should get a grip on their supply chain and demand fault free components.
The only reason I ordered this machine is because my 3 year 10 month old iMac's screen died a week ago and I need it for my degree which starts at the beginning of next month, so I don't want to have to be returning it. I was/am already pissed off about my iMac's screen because (once again) for the money that Apple charges it should have a much longer lifespan than that (oh and the hard drive died within 9 months, too!).
I'm now preying for a (irony!) Samsung display so I will definitely be using the terminal command to see if I got lucky (this time!) ...
My rMBP is being delivered on Wednesday and now I'm concerned about this.
I've returned countless iPhones and iPads because of dead pixels and/or dust under the screen so please let me have a nice, trouble free run with this rMBP!
Yes I DO expect perfection for the money that Apple charges - rather than boasting about how many of these devices they are selling, they should get a grip on their supply chain and demand fault free components.
The only reason I ordered this machine is because my 3 year 10 month old iMac's screen died a week ago and I need it for my degree which starts at the beginning of next month, so I don't want to have to be returning it. I was/am already pissed off about my iMac's screen because (once again) for the money that Apple charges it should have a much longer lifespan than that (oh and the hard drive died within 9 months, too!).
I'm now preying for a (irony!) Samsung display so I will definitely be using the terminal command to see if I got lucky (this time!) ...
I was joking, hence the wink smiley.
But you also missed off the more powerful GPU in the rMBP, as well as the significantly improved cooling system
can i just point out my eyes (Samsung if you're interested) also have this fault
just look at the checkerboard for 30 secs and then turn away.
I write from my glorious rMBP.
just look at the checkerboard for 30 secs and then turn away.
I write from my glorious rMBP.