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Retina MacBook Pros are actually cheaper to manufacture

If MR has had existed in Galileo's time, he would have been threatened with downvotes because of his theories... XD
 
Slivortal said:
This is my main issue. You can't expect to make outlandish statements and expect other people to prove/disprove them for you. You're supposed to come to us with proof and ask us whether we have anything to refute it with.

For the third time on this thread, I'm going to bring up probatio diabolica - whether it's Russel's teapot or invisible pink unicorns, the burden of proof lies on the presenter, not the audience.
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That person (blow45) is a known troll unfortunately. He's previously made some ridiculous claims and never replies when asked for proof or presented with proof disproving him claims. Just three examples:

-He claimed that 16GB iPads were worthless while 64GB iPads were keeping their value well. When presented with a number of eBay completed auctions and estimated values from companies like Mac2sell showing the minimal price difference for a used iPad 1, he promptly said I was cherry picking auctions (basically calling me a liar) before disappearing.

-He then claimed that nobody was buying MacBook Airs equipped with 2GB RAM, while those with the upgraded 4GB were selling well. When presented again with a few eBay completed auctions and estimated values from several companies disproving his claim that 4GB Airs are worth much more than 2GB Airs, he left the thread and never replied.

-He claimed that MacBooks with the Intel HD 4000 graphics and 16GB RAM would be allocated 1GB of shared VRAM. When shown a link from Apple Support disproving his claim as well as a screenshot from my own MacBook Pro showing that the HD4000 was still only allocated 512MB VRAM even with the factory 16GB RAM installed, he simply ignored me/others and continued to mislead others.

Basically, what we have here is a lying troll who refuses to admit when he's wrong. Indeed, as you can see, he's decided to ignore my request for proof (proof which doesn't exist: only an idiot would ask others for proof when they don't have any themselves)

Expect him to disappear from this thread while continuing to mislead and belittle others in another thread.
 
blow45 said:
My logic is that "custom" components do not cost more than you claim, and since you mentioned this, the burden of proof is with you. So I am waiting for the isupply link. Build new facilities and repurpose old ones is pretty vague, doesn't really mean anything. I could claim that a "unibody" motherboard has less assemblage cost and it's cheaper to manufacture as a whole thing rather than make ports for industry standard components.

Apple can order X number of ram modules from a factory at a discount (plenty of factories would want their business, it's not as if the industry is booming) and have it made cheaper since they come on the motherboard.

You said they are pricier, I am waiting for the link.

As a general point I 'd like to say, that troll or not troll the op has not been refuted here so far, they have just been personally attacked.

In the cmbp you can get cheaper ssds, non apple ram and avoid the apple tax. So far we have and extra $80 for the screen, but in terms of custom flash storage, non upgradable ram and flash that means wider margins to apple with no alternative solutions for the buyer, lack of optical, slimmer body, this does come up as at least on par with the cmbp, it certainly doesn't seem at all more expensive to manufacture.
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Nice try in redirecting your own responsibility to me, but unfortunately I am not the one who is making outlandish claims that newer, custom components are actually cheaper than older, standardized and/or generic components. Historically, if you look at the component manufacturing industry, newer, custom tech is always more expensive. It has to do with poor yield rates and other manufacturing hurdles. Go on Amazon or Newegg and see how much the standardized component prices differ from those of system specific components - there's your proof.

As for calling people trolls, what else do you expect when one makes claims like: "the retina display is cheaper to manufacture simply because it uses less materials", and the sort.
 
he wasn't the only one here you know to make an uninformed comment, that's like 80% of the commentary here, his uninformed comment just happened to be not in favour of apple. But the gist of what he said wasn't wrong.

Yeah but amazon and newegg don't do deals with factories for these components, apple do a deal for it and get it much cheaper, it's cheaper in terms of assembly costs as well. A custom component is more expensive to you and me via amazon and newegg, such as a custom apple flash ssd, than the industry standard one, but it's cheaper to apple because they are the ones making it.
 
Puevlo said:
People who think the Retina MacBook Pros are a good deal need to realise they are being taken for a ride. They are actually cheaper to build than a regular MacBook Pro.

It is smaller therefore there is less raw material that needs to be spent on it. This also means more can be transported within the same amount of packaging saving money on transport. Also, just like transistors, smaller pixels are actually cheaper and easier to manufacture.

There is also no expensive optical drive that needs to be included.

There is not one aspect of a Retina MacBook Pro that costs more than the base MacBook Pro.

I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. You cannot.
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Aliens are real and they made the rMBP in exchange for use of Apple patents outside this galaxy. I challenge you to prove me wrong.
 
Puevlo said:
People who think the Retina MacBook Pros are a good deal need to realise they are being taken for a ride. They are actually cheaper to build than a regular MacBook Pro.

It is smaller therefore there is less raw material that needs to be spent on it. This also means more can be transported within the same amount of packaging saving money on transport. Also, just like transistors, smaller pixels are actually cheaper and easier to manufacture.

There is also no expensive optical drive that needs to be included.

There is not one aspect of a Retina MacBook Pro that costs more than the base MacBook Pro.

I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. You cannot.
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That's some...impressive logic. I guess R&D, display cost, engineering the internals to fit together in a smaller package and other considerations don't matter. You're probably right that I can't prove you wrong since you're using purely hypothetical basis for your "argument." (No "expensive" Optical drive? I'm sure that's what was pushing up the price of the MBP line).
 
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