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I didn't say that $199 is "a bad price". I said I am disappointed at the repairability score of 1 (which is about more than just a battery). But that's just me. I've owned Apple laptops that didn't require us to take them to Apple for common repairs.

But you are not the main demographic of Apple users. The vast, vast majority of users never open the case on their computers, and have no desire to. This goes for Mac and PC users.

Just like most drivers of cars don't ever work on their car, nor do they have any desire to. And most owners of refrigerators don't work on them, and have no desire to.

The bottom line is that we're moving away from the "computer as a Heathkit project" paradigm, into the age that computers should be viewed as appliances. Just like any other appliance in your home you buy it based on your needs, and use it until it no longer fits your needs. If it breaks and you feel that the cost benefit to have it repaired vs replaced makes sense you do so.

If your needs outgrow the appliance you replace it with one that meets your needs. Is it Frigidaire's fault that you had three kids, and need another 8 cubic feet in your refrigerator? How do you think most people would feel if the had big bolts on the side of every refrigerator so you could crack it open and put an expansion module in it to make it larger? I know I wouldn't want my refrigerator to have ugly bolts on the side for 15 years on the outside chance that I might need to add space to it.
 
The "repairable" tag

It doesn't mean that much. Sure, it's nice to dig around in an iMac and put in a new hard drive, etc. Not so much in an iPad or the new MacBook, because unless you're a real nerd, you don't want to touch it because you'll screw it up. Do you fix your watch? (I mean, old-fashioned watch.) No. You take it to the watchmaker. He's a skilled craftsman. It's just not something to think about when you're making something that thin small and light.
 
What I don't understand about your comment is why it's a good thing that Apple's notebooks are now sealed-off, unrepairable disposables that you can't upgrade.

The only benefit for that is taken by Apple, not by you as a customer. Why would anyone find that positive is beyond my understanding.

Because I have a 2012 MBP 13 and it's bulky as hell. Bring on the ultraportables.
 
Prefer my MBP Retina 15" thanks, this new Macbook has less connectivity and not much more powerful than my 2011 MBA. Overpriced garbage.

You're like a person mocking people who live in Manhattan and buy a Smart Car, because it can't haul lumber, like your truck.

Congratulations.
 
You're like a person mocking people who live in Manhattan and buy a Smart Car, because it can't haul lumber, like your truck.

Congratulations.
I live in San Francisco which is not unlike Manhattan in certain ways including parking. And I agree with that guy wholeheartedly - Smart Car is a piece of trash no matter where you live and so is the new Macbook. They're specialized pieces of trash but still trash nonetheless and I wouldn't touch either. There are much better cars and devices for the money out there.
 
If only people would listen to you when you tell them what is good for them, then you could bend Apple to your will. But neither Apple nor the people is listening to you.

I'm not telling people what's good for them. I am pointing out stupid decisions. Lets see how sales fall out.
 
I think that glued in batteries are absurd and unnecessary.

They might as well glue in the logic board.

As this iFixit review shows, they don't shy away from using tons of screws when it comes to the keyboard assembly.

Seeing how the glue is applied in the iFixit review, thick and misaligned, makes you question Phil Schiller's statement about the precise process they have to use during assembly.

They impotence of Apple Store's during this product launch makes the "option" of an already expensive post-warranty repair even scarier.

It's not just the $199 (lot more in Hungary btw), but also the trouble and the down time.

If the cassis is so well-CNCd and cosy, then why do you need glue in the first place? My MacBook Air's battery is fixed with screws, it's not wonky and it's surprisingly thin.

This just feels barbaric and cynical, a really quick way for planned obsolescence,
1000 cycles are easier to reach than the performance limit of recent Intel chips.

I have the latest rMBP, but somehow I envy people who are still holding on to their 2010 15" MacBook Pros. Why wouldn't they?
 
Garbage? I disagree. I was quite impressed with it (albeit, it was only five minutes). It may be overpriced to you, but I may be priced right for other folks.

Its is too pricy for what is a basically re-designed Macbook air in a smaller case and not enough connectors, not even Thunderbolt 2. You are forced to buy adapters. A fine example of form over function. I have tried these out but too overpriced for a dual core M processor. Now if it was an i3 or higher yes.
 
So it's basically an retina ipad with a keyboard :eek:
No.

and it's funny that so many people have complained because it feels like only yesterday there were multiple posts "now if only I could run OSX on an iPad...."
If you believe that the Macbook is "basically" an iPad with a keyboard then you give the impression that you have no experience with an iPad.

It's not just you... many others claim the same thing. It seems like some kind of reality distortion attempt to show how the new Macbook is the answer to (as of now mythical) iPad Pro...which makes me wonder if we'll see an iPad Pro.

The iPad:
  • has a touchscreen
  • can be used without a physical keyboard
  • has a UI specifically designed for touch

The only things that the new Macbook and iPad have in common are that they both have color screens, are highly portable, and made by Apple. I guess using that metric anything that fits those criteria is "basically an iPad". :p
 
I live in San Francisco which is not unlike Manhattan in certain ways including parking. And I agree with that guy wholeheartedly - Smart Car is a piece of trash no matter where you live and so is the new Macbook. They're specialized pieces of trash but still trash nonetheless and I wouldn't touch either. There are much better cars and devices for the money out there.

But the Smart Car is easier to park, and you should know parking is a real problem in SF.

So what you're saying is that blind hate makes more sense that an actual solution to the problem at hand. That sums up the criticism of this machine. Thank you for making it so clear.
 
Its is too pricy for what is a basically re-designed Macbook air in a smaller case and not enough connectors, not even Thunderbolt 2. You are forced to buy adapters. A fine example of form over function. I have tried these out but too overpriced for a dual core M processor. Now if it was an i3 or higher yes.

I agree on the lack of connectors and lack of i3 or higher. However, everyone has a different view on what is overpriced.
 
But the Smart Car is easier to park, and you should know parking is a real problem in SF.

So what you're saying is that blind hate makes more sense that an actual solution to the problem at hand. That sums up the criticism of this machine. Thank you for making it so clear.

The hate is not blind here. There are tons of cars that are much better than Smart and not much larger for similar money. Parking in SF does suck but there are many people that manage it just fine. It's same with this Macbook - most can live without it.

Now don't get me wrong, I love Macs to pieces but on occasion even Apple produces machines that are just too much in some direction. I believe this is one of those cases. But we'll see. Either they will be a great success and we'll see many imitators soon or it'll be quickly forgotten as another footnote to modern tech history.
 
I think iFixit is a great company, and they provide a great service to those of us who need to repair Macs, iPads, and other devices. I don't think their mention of proprietary pentalobe screws is intended to mean that you can't obtain a tool to open the new MB. iFixit is just trying to provide its readers and customers with as much information as possible, and I applaud them for that.

I find it interesting that you bothered to reply to him, but you couldn't be bothered to address *either* of the questions he asked.

1. In what sense are these screws "proprietary"? Are they patented? Do I need Apple's permission to buy a compatible screwdriver, or to make or sell one? Is there ANY realistic restriction on anyone buying these screwdrivers?

2. In what sense do the pentalobe screws constitute a "lockout" mechanism, given that iFixit sells compatible screwdrivers, and there are dozens available from places like Amazon?

Given that you can get pentalobe screwdrivers/bits just about anywhere. How are they 'proprietary', and how do they consitute a 'lockout' mechanism?
 
Given that you can get pentalobe screwdrivers/bits just about anywhere. How are they 'proprietary', and how do they constitute a 'lockout' mechanism?
I don't know what constitutes "just about anywhere" but I know of no brick and mortar establishments that sell them.

As for using them as a "lockout" mechanism, it is Apple themselves that call it that. The screw is officially called the "Pentalobe security screw" by Apple.
 
from an engeneering perspective, it looks like there is starting to be less differences between the tablet and computer lines. I am sure somewhere in some lab they have the ipad running OSX and the rMacbook running iOS. I hope that they do resolve this in the next release or two of the OS.

For example i use my ipad with a keyboard cover a lot. and some times when working on it, my wife will hand me her macbook air to edit something she is working on. as I edit i keep touching the screen like if it was my ipad only to be frustrated when i realize i am on a macbook.

I know that MS surface is a mess, but the idea of having a touch screen full blown OS is not the reason for the mess, it is MS implementation. I hope Apple figures it out and does something slick soon.

Hey!


The thing is; Microsoft made the first move into tablet market because it is known to be a "helpful/good" thing in most cases according the current management studies. Microsoft, had to compromise on the touch experience (in terms of implementation into the OS).

At this point, Apple and Mac OS is actually -arguably- more ready than Microsoft (with the experience from the iOS etc). However, Apple is not in need for a move into this new markets yet for many reasons.

For example; if they do, they have to compromise on characteristics of Apple like usability ; especially when every single program/app has to work flawlessly for the project to be successful. Microsoft is more relaxed on that matter since there is maybe hundreds of different device options in the market running Windows. Consumer does not get affected by the physical means of using the OS. However, Apple comes as a package, which has more effect on the customer experience.

Apple will eventually get into market. But when the OS is ready. And that the device components are far cheaper. This way they both create time and cut costs.

In the meanwhile, Macbook is just Surface minus touch. Thus, keyboard is still there (for touch pad and a cheaper storage for the components rather than fit back into a screen --also they are already working on that with iPad).

I would say Apple won't/shouldn't resolve the OS and tablet implementation issues as soon as the next couple of OS releases. It would basically require much more resources than current state (keeping in mind --the state of iOS drifting away from the earlier less buggier versions). Instead, they are evolving the current state as a whole with employees, processes, products etc.

Now, how about a new Macbook; with detachable keyboard (maybe magnetic? -unlike Asus Transformer type).

When detached, this device could start running iOS. Implement continuity features too. (correct me if I'm wrong -Apple is the first mover in this as well).

Also; can you see the point of USB C? They are establishing a port that could easily be implemented on iPad.

There you go; same productivity -limited but much more flawless operation. And a market that Apple created.


Cheers!

PS. I agree with you on most of your post; that's why I wanted to interpret the situation from a more managerial side.

PS2. I believe the same story goes for Apple Watch too.
 
I find it interesting that you bothered to reply to him, but you couldn't be bothered to address *either* of the questions he asked.

Given that you can get pentalobe screwdrivers/bits just about anywhere. How are they 'proprietary', and how do they consitute a 'lockout' mechanism?

I find it interesting that you would take the time to answer questions that really don't need to be answered. Everyone who works on Apple devices know the answers to the questions, and the OP was just ranting, in my opinion. :p
 
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