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The people downloading these games are clearly breaking the law in the US and are thus criminals.
Whether AI companies has done something illegal is still to be determined and it isn't obvious they're guilty.
Nobody currently using these ROMs in the iOS emulators have proven to have done anything illegal.

Innocent until proven otherwise in this case. For all you know they have a legal copy.
 
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Ok but doesn't the Apple TV (stupidly) auto delete your files randomly? Won't it delete your roms and save files in time? ... I guess maybe we need a few weeks to tell.. really wish Apple would change that.

Yes, this will be a real problem for people expecting a downloaded game to always be there once installed. Instead, it will just disappear when AppleTV reclaims the space for something else. AppleTV owner won't even know until they want to resume or play the game again and realize it is mysteriously gone.

How this should work is much like how the Computer's app works: store the media on the hard drive attached to the home shared Mac and stream over these "apps" when needed. Else, we're back to needing much bigger storage options for AppleTV and/or a normalized USB port to which big storage could be attached for "syncing" of media files... which could then include these as synced files.
 
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Good point. Emulation sucks because it’s difficult to accurately mimic the 0.1% of games which originally required a physical accessory. Physical media or bust!!

related to that games that were designed to be seen on a CRT do not look authentic on an LCD/LED. The graphics designers who made those 2D 8 bit and 16 bit games designed and previewed their work on CRTs. When we see these games on a flat screen we don’t see the color blending and shading effect of the CRTs.

Some emulators have a CRT filter to emulate the look but it is ****.
 
related to that games that were designed to be seen on a CRT do not look authentic on an LCD/LED. The graphics designers who made those 2D 8 bit and 16 bit games designed and previewed their work on CRTs. When we see these games on a flat screen we don’t see the color blending and shading effect of the CRTs.

Some emulators have a CRT filter to emulate the look but it is ****.

What does that have to do with anything? Sure it’s difficult to emulate the original console experience, but there are many other enhancements which can make up for it.

It’s not like Nintendo is making leaps and bounds in making their emulators perfectly accurate — or encouraging fans to buy old consoles and CRTs. Third-party emulators are objectively better than Nintendo’s official ones.
 
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Yes, this will be a real problem for people expecting a downloaded game to always be there once installed. Instead, it will just disappear when AppleTV reclaims the space for something else. AppleTV owner won't even know until they want to resume or play the game again and realize it is mysteriously gone.

What would be even more annoying is losing save states and memory cards.
 
That's apparently what happens and seemingly at random to users.

I think I'll just stick with my little gaming PC (purchased as "old fashioned bootcamp") with Lunchbox/Bigbox and then the Moonlight app on AppleTV to push the game over to it and on to the TV.

However, I'll hope tvOS evolves to better accommodate files like this... which- to me- should work much like video media stored on a home-shared "parent" Mac. Just stream them over on demand when needed.
 
No it isn’t legal. 98 percent of the ppl using emulators are doing so illegally. Quite sad really.
So what?

First, show me a statistic where it says that 98% are using emulators illegally.

Second, even if it was the case it doesn’t matter at all. That’s like prohibiting knives since some crazy dudes would go outside and stab others in the guts.
 
Hmm smoking pot. It doesn’t hurt anyone whatsoever and isn’t stealing intellectual property
I wouldn’t say that weed is totally harmless for people and society. That being said, I’m 100% for full legalization with minimal restrictions.

Did we just… almost agree on something for the first time?
 
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Nobody currently using these ROMs in the iOS emulators have proven to have done anything illegal.

Innocent until proven otherwise in this case. For all you know they have a legal copy.

For what it’s worth i still have my entire ps1 library in boxes, but my ps1 is now dead.

So i feel no qualms playing tekken 3 in the emulator.
 
I tried it out on my AppleTV, wow yes it's bit tricky to undestand the UI, and took me a while to work out where to put the files (ended up putting it in the "downloads" directory).

Reason I'm posting - I've got an official Nintendo SNES controller, like this:


It works fine, however there doesn't seem to be any way to exit out of a game (ie, no "Home" button that I can determine). Has anyone else tried this combination? Even using the Apple Remote has weird button mapping once actually playing a game. Only way I could get back to the main menu was to use the app switcher to kill the app using the Apple Remote.
 
Nice! Now all you Apple TV users can experience the frustrating experience of trying to figure out RetroArch’s menus from the comfort of your living room :)

Seriously it makes perfect sense once you understand what the devs were going for but oof, it’s a process

Honestly I don’t have any previous experience with this emulator and I’ve only played Tekken 3 so far but it was pretty straightforward, just download the core from the integrated menu, upload the ROM and play. Super easy.
 
I wouldn’t say that weed is totally harmless for people and society. That being said, I’m 100% for full legalization with minimal restrictions.

Did we just… almost agree on something for the first time?
It’s carcinogenic regardless. Inhaling smoke is ****.
 
The people downloading these games are clearly breaking the law in the US and are thus criminals.
Whether AI companies has done something illegal is still to be determined and it isn't obvious they're guilty.

My point is that it shouldn't be so difficult to determine in any country with a fair and consistent legal system (if one exists). Both acts involve making use of someone else's legally owned work without their permission, yet it's okay for generative AI companies to do that, but not individuals? Why? Other than the enormous difference in power and social status of the alleged perpetrator, what exactly is the argument to be made in a courtroom for why one act should be speedily condemned, but the other is more controversial? Why is Bob's right to his crude drawing of an anthro tiger on DeviantArt less important than Nintendo's right to Super Mario Land? If anything, the greater cultural significance and historical importance of the latter, combined with the far less savory motivation for unauthorized use of the former, would suggest the opposite.

My point wasn't to rip on generative AI (even if I obviously have deep reservations about it). I've certainly played with DALL·E (through Microsoft) and Stable Diffusion myself, but then I'm not doing that while dumping on emulation. I just felt that the hypocrisy involved in the ROM controversy at this point is just so immense and I felt the need to call it out.
 
It’s carcinogenic regardless. Inhaling smoke is ****.
Pot isn't carcinogenic.


The smoke from burning marijuana leaves contains several known carcinogens and the tar it creates contains 50 percent more of some of the chemicals linked to lung cancer than tobacco smoke. A marijuana cigarette also deposits four times as much of that tar as an equivalent tobacco one. Scientists were therefore surprised to learn that a study of more than 2,000 people found no increase in the risk of developing lung cancer for marijuana smokers.

"We expected that we would find that a history of heavy marijuana use--more than 500 to 1,000 uses--would increase the risk of cancer from several years to decades after exposure to marijuana," explains physician Donald Tashkin of the University of California, Los Angeles, and lead researcher on the project. But looking at residents of Los Angeles County, the scientists found that even those who smoked more than 20,000 joints in their life did not have an increased risk of lung cancer.


The researchers interviewed 611 lung cancer patients and 1,040 healthy controls as well as 601 patients with cancer in the head or neck region under the age of 60 to create the statistical analysis. They found that 80 percent of those with lung cancer and 70 percent of those with other cancers had smoked tobacco while only roughly half of both groups had smoked marijuana. The more tobacco a person smoked, the greater the risk of developing cancer, as other studies have shown.

But after controlling for tobacco, alcohol and other drug use as well as matching patients and controls by age, gender and neighborhood, marijuana did not seem to have an effect, despite its unhealthy aspects.
 
I tried it out on my AppleTV, wow yes it's bit tricky to undestand the UI, and took me a while to work out where to put the files (ended up putting it in the "downloads" directory).

Reason I'm posting - I've got an official Nintendo SNES controller, like this:


It works fine, however there doesn't seem to be any way to exit out of a game (ie, no "Home" button that I can determine). Has anyone else tried this combination? Even using the Apple Remote has weird button mapping once actually playing a game. Only way I could get back to the main menu was to use the app switcher to kill the app using the Apple Remote.
You have to configure exiting out of the game beforehand. It's somewhere in the menu and I believe you have to use a combination of button presses to exit out. You choose the button combo. At least this is the case with every version of Retroarch I have used. It should be here also. Plenty of getting started vids on youtube for other versions that should apply to here as well. Don't forget you can change the interface, make it even look like the Playstation 3 XMB cross bar.
 
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You have to configure exiting out of the game beforehand. It's somewhere in the menu and I believe you have to use a combination of button presses to exit out. You choose the button combo. At least this is the case with every version of Retroarch I have used. It should be here also. Plenty of getting started vids on youtube for other versions that should apply to here as well. Don't forget you can change the interface, make it even look like the Playstation 3 XMB cross bar.
Awesome thank you for that tip, i'll give it a go!
 
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