Return Ultimate iMac for Base model Mac Pro?

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  1. Diversion macrumors 6502a

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    My concern is that for $300 more, I could return my Ultimate iMac (just bought on Sunday) for a base model Mac Pro.

    I'm a decent gamer, I play daily but not too super serious, my requirement to have the best video card isn't big (obviously, i would have just built a dual 780 desktop for under 3k if it was).

    I know the Xeon is missing some hardware acceleratoin/instruction sets but will be a beast in anything multi-threaded CPU-bound.

    The other issue is will dual D300s be more powerful in gaming over the 780M in the iMac.. My guess looking at specs say yes, it's a combined over 2000+ stream processors vs. the 1500ish in the 780M. Of course, Firepro drivers aren't designed with gaming in mind so there's a gaming performance hit there.

    Lastly, you get the $999 Cinema Display value built right into a iMac vs. no monitor in the Mac Pro..

    Trying to take all things into consideration and don't want to have buyer's remorse. I guess I should wait for a proper review of the base model Mac Pro before assuming anything today!
     
  2. maflynn Moderator

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    If you're only talking 300 more (does that include the display?) then I'd go for it. I'm not a gamer so I can't say whether it will be better but I will assume it is.
     
  3. Mike Biggen macrumors member

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    Don't look at the Mac Pro's GPUs in terms of combined power if you're curious about gaming performance. It's quite likely that they won't be using Crossfire, so just assume the performance of a single D300 (roughly a Radeon 7870, IIRC). Still, it's certainly best to wait for reviews to be sure.
     
  4. Diversion thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Well being I have a Thunderbolt Cinema Display in possession I wouldn't need to buy a monitor for the Mac Pro.. However, the inclusion of the built-in $999 Cinema Display with an iMac makes it a little less painful.

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    If you're right about the no-CrossFire bit then it may become obvious a D300 will be underpowered for gaming. Also, given the Mac Pro's size.. I'm convinced the GPUs are "Mobile" class ones.. and not comparable to desktop class. So it would be a 7870M, not a desktop 7870, right? That would be severly underpowered for gaming if you're limited to a single card in the Mac Pro vs CrossFire. Is this lack of CrossFire confirmed?
     
  5. rtrueman macrumors member

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    I'm ready to buy and have gone through a number of "almost" purchases. First, a maxed out iMac when they became available back in October, then a used Mac Pro 5,1 and now the 4 or 6 core nMP. I basically decided to wait for the reviews, performance specs, etc. I'm still unsure, but the front-runner is the 6 core nMP with 512 SSD. Now off to fertilize the money-tree I'm going to need.

    Good luck with your decision. Hopefully, the reviews will come fast and furious and you have some time to make a decision.

    Rob
     
  6. Diversion thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I kind of wish I held off on a new iMac.. but I picked it up this past Sunday so i'll have enough time for reviews before making a solid decision. If CrossFire isn't enabled even under Windows then i'll just keep the iMac.. it makes more sense for me. It would probably take at least the 4000 dollar Mac Pro to beat the iMac in gaming and that's just not doable for me.
     
  7. jetjaguar macrumors 68030

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    The nMP uses desktop gpus not mobile
     
  8. Diversion thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Gotcha, I just assumed they were mobile based on how small the nMP is.
     
  9. jetjaguar macrumors 68030

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    They are desktop gpus but they are smaller than normal because of custom made boards
     
  10. theSeb macrumors 604

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    If Crossfire works in Windows, then I would say you should go for nMP, but even then I would recommend the D500 upgrade for the Quad. The 780M in the iMac is no slouch, even though it's a mobile card.
     
  11. jetjaguar macrumors 68030

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    the d500 which people are saying is a 7950 is just barely faster than the 780m:(
     
  12. theSeb macrumors 604

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    But if CrossFire works, then the dual config will be substantially faster.
     
  13. jetjaguar macrumors 68030

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    i totally agree but then you would need to run windows:( maybe apple has enabled crossfire in osx :rolleyes:
     
  14. Mike Biggen macrumors member

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    It certainly isn't confirmed (anywhere I've seen at least). I tend to just assume the worst when it comes to situations like this. We'll see shortly though.
     
  15. Bear macrumors G3

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    I doubt you will get crossfire support. Also, have you taken into account that you will need to either upgrade the SSD in the base Mac Pro or add a good external disk or both? The 780M in the iMac is actually quite good.
     
  16. jetjaguar macrumors 68030

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    Ive been going back and forth in my head about what model to get .. originally i was dead set on the stock hex core for 3999 and just upgrade the ram down the road and the ssd. On my old hex mac pro .. i have a 480gb pcie ssd and only used like 70gb. The only game I play is WoW here and there so maybe the d500s will be fine.

    I don't want to overbuy since I will probably sell it when they release a v2
     
  17. Diversion thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I hope there will be a few reviews out by the end of the weekend! It will surely put my mind at ease :p
     
  18. riggles macrumors 6502

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    Keep the iMac

    Personally, I'd keep the iMac, considering your needs. The 780M 4GB is a good card, and I'm not sure what the extra $300 will really get you. That's a beautiful display you've got on the iMac that you won't have anymore. I just sold mine to get an old Mac Pro for work. But if it wasn't work related, I would've kept my iMac. Also, if you ever change your mind down the road, the iMac will retain a good amount of its resale value. On the flip side, what if you bought the MP and Crossfire never got supported under OSX? That might be a bummer to have spent extra for less performance where you wanted it.
     
  19. theSeb macrumors 604

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    I do all my gaming in Windows. It makes the most sense and it lets me keep work stuff completely separated :)
     
  20. Darth.Titan macrumors 68030

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    I wouldn't count on reviews by the end of the weekend. Just because you can order the nMP starting tomorrow, doesn't mean it will ship tomorrow. It could still be a few weeks before someone has one of these in hand to review.
     
  21. Diversion thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Apple only gives us 14 days to return? Unless it's been changed to 30 and I would be happy to hear that. I'm going to be out of luck!
     
  22. jondunford macrumors 6502

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    its still 14 days :(
     
  23. Flint Ironstag macrumors 6502a

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    pricing...

    ... I overheard the following configuration:

    12 core
    dual 700s
    I think it was 32GB
    1TB
    warranty

    clocked in right at $5k. Guess we'll see in a few hours.
     
  24. CrAkD macrumors 68040

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    isn't the return window way longer right now because of the holidays?

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    not a chance. more like 10k.
     
  25. gavinstubbs09 macrumors 65816

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    Sounds a bit low if a maxxed out 12 core with 64GB ram and dual 700s sounds like it will be 10k
     

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