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It's not strange they just have next to no sub bass so you're hearing a bunch mid bass where you're used to hearing sub. I don't hear what you're hearing at all and I usually listen to music on pretty decent studio monitors and reference headphones (LSR305's and 6xx's - budget audiophile stuff) and just hear a lack of sub bass not some strange, broken sounding thing.
It's only occasionally with certain bass-notes. But it's certainly there. I also have a studio with good studio speakers (KrK Rokit 8) and studio headphones. It's there. Just in certain frequencies. I guess a result of doing sound that way to achieve this overall good sound. It's perfectly fine in most instances (for laptop speakers). And again.. I will barely ever use the speakers from the MBP, except maybe when i watch a news vid while not hooked on speakers or headphones.
 
It's only occasionally with certain bass-notes. But it's certainly there. I also have a studio with good studio speakers (KrK Rokit 8) and studio headphones. It's there. Just in certain frequencies. I guess a result of doing sound that way to achieve this overall good sound. It's perfectly fine in most instances (for laptop speakers). And again.. I will barely ever use the speakers from the MBP, except maybe when i watch a news vid while not hooked on speakers or headphones.
You’ll have to send a track because haven’t heard anything broken sounding, just really harsh mid bass
 
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I don’t think I’ll miss the keyboard too much... Everything is mushy and feels weird.

I got the same impression as you, but I didn't buy the 16" so my opinion wasn't fully informed. I only tried it out at the Apple store. When I posted about my impressions, I was surprised that nobody agreed with me. It made me wonder if the keyboards are going to vary from unit to unit based on QC and supply chain variables.

I had the same hot and cold experience with the Magic Keyboard II. The first time I tried one, I was very pleased. My second experience came a few minutes later a few strides away in the same store wasn't so positive. It was mushy.
 
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my personal opinion is that the 16”mbp resolution is near perfect. A 4K screen is not required for
The 5500 GB is Godsend for those of us doing CAD...(especially NX and Solidworks)
It will absolutely smoke the 280...(as unusable that Nvidia crap is for any pro engineering design work that many of us do)

what you saying - it’s better for pro applications. Wow /s

i too use CAD applications [rhino / AutoCAD / fusion 360]and so far the mbp has been a joy to use.
the switch/Xbox/ps are for games, not my work computer.

in addition in using these apps I have no requirements for higher resolution - the screen is great. 4K would just drain the battery more and hammer the dgpu.
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I got the same impression as you, but I didn't buy the 16" so my opinion wasn't fully informed. I only tried it out at the Apple store. When I posted about my impressions, I was surprised that nobody agreed with me. It made me wonder if the keyboards are going to vary from unit to unit based on QC and supply chain variables.

I had the same hot and cold experience with the Magic Keyboard II. The first time I tried one, I was very pleased. My second experience came a few minutes later a few strides away in the same store wasn't so positive. It was mushy.
the keyboard is probably the one thing I don’t like either
 
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the keyboard is probably the one thing I don’t like either

Hopefully you'll get used to it. Everyone complained when Apple first introduced the "chiclet" keyboard and now lots of people have amnesia and they're remembering it as something that was an instant success from the start. Ummmm, most people hated it. It was too flat, too unsculpted, hard to type on, and so forth. They just got used to it.

For the record, I'm not a fan of scissor keyboards in general. They just have too great of a tendency to be mushy. I have liked a handful of scissor keyboards, but most of them aren't to my liking.
 
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Hopefully you'll get used to it. Everyone complained when Apple first introduced the "chiclet" keyboard and now lots of people have amnesia and they're remembering it as something that was an instant success from the start. Ummmm, most people hated it. It was too flat, too unsculpted, hard to type on, and so forth. They just got used to it.

For the record, I'm not a fan of scissor keyboards in general. They just have too great of a tendency to be mushy. I have liked a handful of scissor keyboards, but most of them aren't to my liking.

Nope, I didn't like the 2014 keyboard either. Typing on the 2019 right now. I wouldn't say I hate it but I don't love it - more like its ok and will do.
Now the butterfly...... I loved that :)
 
I use my MBP 13 with a Sonnet EGPU with a Radeon RX 580. The only games I play on my Mac are Starcraft II, a little Warcraft (mostly Classic when I do). There is a HUGE difference in speed running the same GPU in my XPS 8930 desktop with the same settings. I realize that there is a translator happening but ... gaming on a Mac is disappointing and frustrating. While it can be done, performance isn't all that great.

I picked up an XPS 8930 from Costco for $900 and put a 1TB Samsung NVME, added tons of ram, and several other 1TB SSD Sata 3 drives - all for less than $300. It games far better and does far more and it cost half as much as my MBP.

I would love for my next MBP to have a GPU but the price is just too much. I'll just keep a windows machine around for when I want to game (getting less and less the older I get - not sure if that's a good thing).


I too love my Magic Keyboard II and my MBP 2017 keyboard. I actually prefer the external Apple keyboard these days to anything else -- and I type ... a lot.
 
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Now the butterfly...... I loved that :)

Yeah, I'm disappointed that Apple appears to have given up on the butterfly keyboard as well. I'm a recovered keyboard fanatic and I love interesting keyboards. I've owned many a problematic keyboard. It's a price you pay when you're attracted to efforts to stray from the safety of approved patterns.

I've disliked most Apple laptop keyboards ever since the Unibody MBPs. I disliked the butterfly keyboards even more at first until I really gave it a chance and found that once I got used to it, I actually really really liked it.

Even if they do away with it, maybe it'll appear again in another product where the low profile is an absolute necessity in allowing the product to function as intended.
 
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