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Well you should have got your order in early so you had what you wanted sooner, or, you just be patient and get what you want when it’s in stock.

Getting all ragey at someone who took the plunge early is just silly, there will have been thousands of people who ordered either one of the models released. I.e someone considering going from a pro to a Max, they get it and decide the size is too big to handle - back it goes. Happens EVERY year!
He's right and you are not. Your reasoning is also silly. I too am sick of posts by people who clearly should not hav ordered the phone.
 
I am not being ragey at anyone, it's just a minor criticism. There are genuine people who aren't out just to "test drive" certain devices and have good intentions when purchasing a specific model but find out that the device they've purchased just isn't for them. It's not always obvious if a device will suit your needs. This guy said that the no wide angle lens was a deal breaker. 5 minutes of research would've prevented this from happening.

Apple employees always encourage people to take advantage of the return policy because it still counts as a sale for them. They don't care if you come back within 14 days to return the device.

You’re right, they don’t care if a device is returned within 14 days - they also don’t care that anyone(you)can’t get the device they want as it’s already sold .
 
You’re right, they don’t care if a device is returned within 14 days - they also don’t care that anyone(you)can’t get the device they want as it’s already sold .
I get that Apple doesn’t mind as once the sale goes through, it’s all the same to them. I’m just pointing out that this kind of behaviour ends up preventing others who genuinely want the phone from being able to get one.

I am not in the market for an Air. I was interested but did my research and now know that it's not the right phone for me. I am thinking about other people who want the Air.
 
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People like you should read the spec sheet before purchasing a device that you know will not be suitable for your own needs. I am sick of seeing people returning their iPhones as stock is so low that most of us are unable to purchase any 17/Air for the next 3-4 weeks. I have carried out my own research so, as much as the Air looks like my dream device, I know it is too compromised for my own needs. As such, I'll be purchasing the base or Pro model when they're in stock.

Do some research in future and stop depriving people who actually want the phone.
Ell Oh Ell ….

Research was done first.

Now, based on that research … “would I be able to live without the wide angle?”

I’ve shot photography and video for a while, shot some weddings and so on. I’m out of doing paid work.

Outside of that the phone had become my main camera, always at hand.

So I bought the Air to find out.

Well, I found out.

I also found out that panorama wasn’t an adequate substitute. I found out that other apps, like Final Cut Camera, couldn’t overcome the lack of a wide angle lens.

Could I settle for missing wide angle lens to have a svelte, lightweight, larger screen than the Pro yet smaller than the Max.

It turns out I could not. I could live without the telephoto, without the RAW formats.

So I returned the Air, nice and minty, to the store.

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The deal breaker?

No wide angle.

Yep, I use it that much.

I was comparing the Air with my 16 Pro for this past week and the lack of wide angle is rather glaring.

Everything else missing between the Air and Pro was acceptable.

Now ... 17 Pro or not? (my old 14PM had me swearing off the Max models)

That 17 Pro feels nice in the hand ....

Maybe an Air Pro will appear next year lol

I thought i would miss it, but honestly the wide angle lenses have never been great. there is always so much distortion on the edges of near shots with their wide angle lenses that i do not miss it at all. I am coming from a 16pro max
 
Ell Oh Ell ….

Research was done first.

Now, based on that research … “would I be able to live without the wide angle?”

I’ve shot photography and video for a while, shot some weddings and so on. I’m out of doing paid work.

Outside of that the phone had become my main camera, always at hand.

So I bought the Air to find out.

Well, I found out.

I also found out that panorama wasn’t an adequate substitute. I found out that other apps, like Final Cut Camera, couldn’t overcome the lack of a wide angle lens.

Could I settle for missing wide angle lens to have a svelte, lightweight, larger screen than the Pro yet smaller than the Max.

It turns out I could not. I could live without the telephoto, without the RAW formats.

So I returned the Air, nice and minty, to the store.

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There’s a wealth of video reviews on YouTube showcasing the Air’s capabilities, especially around the camera; something that clearly matters to you. That kind of content could’ve helped inform your decision before buying.

As I mentioned, I’ve got no issue with you personally returning the phone. But when a large number of people do the same, it creates stock problems for those who genuinely want the device and are ready to commit.

You brought the Air back in pristine condition, sure, but it’s not going back on the shelf. It will be resold, as a certified refurb, or offered as an AppleCare replacement. That unit’s essentially out of circulation now.
 
I thought i would miss it, but honestly the wide angle lenses have never been great. there is always so much distortion on the edges of near shots with their wide angle lenses that i do not miss it at all. I am coming from a 16pro max
It does have that fisheye look.

Oftentimes it can be corrected in post, photo editor, video editor.

I came to the conclusion that I’d rather have the option of not using it than not having it at all.

An example right now is that I’m at the Miami Intl Auto Show and I found myself immediately using wide on my 16P for both photo and video.

I’m seeing a 17 Pro in the near future lol

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The deal breaker?

No wide angle.

Yep, I use it that much.

I was comparing the Air with my 16 Pro for this past week and the lack of wide angle is rather glaring.

Everything else missing between the Air and Pro was acceptable.

Now ... 17 Pro or not? (my old 14PM had me swearing off the Max models)

That 17 Pro feels nice in the hand ....

Maybe an Air Pro will appear next year lol

This was the biggest deal breaker for me too

I also was really disappointed with the quality of the speaker. If it was better quality mono likely wouldn’t been the issue I had with it. It crackled easily.
 
The deal breaker?

No wide angle.

Yep, I use it that much.

I was comparing the Air with my 16 Pro for this past week and the lack of wide angle is rather glaring.

Everything else missing between the Air and Pro was acceptable.

Now ... 17 Pro or not? (my old 14PM had me swearing off the Max models)

That 17 Pro feels nice in the hand ....

Maybe an Air Pro will appear next year lol
And if you compared the iPhone Air against the 17 Pro in addition to "the lack of wide angle is rather glaring" you would also find that the lack of really good telephoto is rather glaring.
 
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This was the biggest deal breaker for me too

I also was really disappointed with the quality of the speaker. If it was better quality mono likely wouldn’t been the issue I had with it. It crackled easily.
Agreed on speakers. Despite owning multiple sets of Airpods and CarPlay I use the built-in iPhone Pro speakers maxed out fairly frequently listening to audiobooks.
 
I thought i would miss it, but honestly the wide angle lenses have never been great. there is always so much distortion on the edges of near shots with their wide angle lenses that i do not miss it at all. I am coming from a 16pro max
It is good then that you do not have need for macro photos ever. The ultra wide lens does do a good job on macro, and when shooting macro competence at the corners is not usually essential. Even not shooting macro I find the UWA lens essential and the corner distortion mostly irrelevant to my needs.
 
I used an air a couple days and went back to a pro max. Realized I used the extra cameras more than I thought. Also, I'm sitting here at 10pm and my battery is 80% after unplugging this morning at 7am. The air would be like 30% or less at this point.
In my opinion, what is important is whether or not the phone performs as you need it to. Unless you never have access to a power outlet during the day, (or even a portable charger) what the battery ends at at the end of your day percentage wise (30-80%), is really immaterial. At that point, the focus changes to meaningless numbers.

I respect you ascertained you needed more camera and changed course.
 
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In my opinion, what is important is whether or not the phone performs as you need it to. Unless you never have access to a power outlet during the day, (or even a portable charger) what the battery ends at at the end of your day percentage wise (30-80%), is really immaterial. At that point, the focus changes to meaningless numbers.

I respect you ascertained you needed more camera and changed course.
I would opine that depleting a brand new late 2025 iPhone to 30% battery with typical usage should indeed raise a red flag about that phone for that user. New iPhones in 2025 generally do much better than that, and 30% at week one will equate to 0% at week 51.

Sure we can charge mid-day, etc. to cope. It is easy enough to have MagSafe pads at multiple locations. But it should not be necessary with the right brand new phone choice.
 
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Well I’ve returned my Air and got a deep blue 17 Pro. Loved the Air and it wasn’t an easy decision after using it for a week.

Guess I couldn’t live with the single camera as there’s been a few times I’ve wanted the ultra wide lens and extra zoom, especially for some portraits from a distance. The extra battery life will also be welcome.

Having held both now, the Air is definitely more premium and elegant and feels better in hand & just hits different with its thinness, I’ll miss that but have gained in other areas.

Function over form in my case. Big battle with head vs heart!

The 17 Pro isn’t an attractive device but I think a design change was overdue, this colour is the best out of the 3 IMO.

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The deal breaker?

No wide angle.

Yep, I use it that much.

I was comparing the Air with my 16 Pro for this past week and the lack of wide angle is rather glaring.

Everything else missing between the Air and Pro was acceptable.

Now ... 17 Pro or not? (my old 14PM had me swearing off the Max models)

That 17 Pro feels nice in the hand ....

Maybe an Air Pro will appear next year lol
Weird discussion. We compare phone from its camera features. It’s a phone anyway. Other alternative: iPhone Air + mirrorless camera. You don’t need professional camera most of the time, do you?
 
Well I’ve returned my Air and got a deep blue 17 Pro. Loved the Air and it wasn’t an easy decision after using it for a week.

Guess I couldn’t live with the single camera as there’s been a few times I’ve wanted the ultra wide lens and extra zoom, especially for some portraits from a distance. The extra battery life will also be welcome.

Having held both now, the Air is definitely more premium and elegant and feels better in hand & just hits different with its thinness, I’ll miss that but have gained in other areas.

Function over form in my case. Big battle with head vs heart!

The 17 Pro isn’t an attractive device but I think a design change was overdue, this colour is the best out of the 3 IMO.

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Oh! That's a surprise! I read your posts and thought black Air was here to stay!
Same story here.. I'm now in the Pro Camp, too.
 
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Well I’ve returned my Air and got a deep blue 17 Pro. Loved the Air and it wasn’t an easy decision after using it for a week.

Guess I couldn’t live with the single camera as there’s been a few times I’ve wanted the ultra wide lens and extra zoom, especially for some portraits from a distance. The extra battery life will also be welcome.

Having held both now, the Air is definitely more premium and elegant and feels better in hand & just hits different with its thinness, I’ll miss that but have gained in other areas.

Function over form in my case. Big battle with head vs heart!

The 17 Pro isn’t an attractive device but I think a design change was overdue, this colour is the best out of the 3 IMO.

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You shocked me with your change!! Totally unexpected!!
 
It’s a shame and I’m still second guessing myself! Head over heart… hopefully I’ll grow to love the 17 Pro!

Did you have an Air and then swap for the Pro?
Yes, it's a shame. I wanted to love the Air but it didn't work.
I was so excited this year and really up for a change...
I don't "love" the Pro but I'm happy to have it with me. It's the better choice for me.
BUT SO BORIIIIIING!!!!! grrrrrrrr
 
People like you should read the spec sheet before purchasing a device that you know will not be suitable for your own needs. I am sick of seeing people returning their iPhones as stock is so low that most of us are unable to purchase any 17/Air for the next 3-4 weeks. I have carried out my own research so, as much as the Air looks like my dream device, I know it is too compromised for my own needs. As such, I'll be purchasing the base or Pro model when they're in stock.

Do some research in future and stop depriving people who actually want the phone.
It’s nothing to do with you. Apple is happy or they’d introduce restocking fees. They’d also put them in stores to see and feel on the day of the announcement if it were an issue. Wind your neck in. Apple doesn’t care that you’re sick of people exercising their rights.

Also, the Air is widely available, so your statement above re Air availability is wrong.
 
Well I’ve returned my Air and got a deep blue 17 Pro. Loved the Air and it wasn’t an easy decision after using it for a week.

Guess I couldn’t live with the single camera as there’s been a few times I’ve wanted the ultra wide lens and extra zoom, especially for some portraits from a distance. The extra battery life will also be welcome.

Having held both now, the Air is definitely more premium and elegant and feels better in hand & just hits different with its thinness, I’ll miss that but have gained in other areas.

Function over form in my case. Big battle with head vs heart!

The 17 Pro isn’t an attractive device but I think a design change was overdue, this colour is the best out of the 3 IMO.

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Noooo.... another one bites the dust. lol, but in all seriousness enjoy the Pro mate. 😉
 
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