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Apple _is_ proprietary. You're buying into a closed, locked down iToyz system.

PC's are generationally proprietary, so the difference equalizes over time.

If you own a 5 year old PC you are locked out of today's accessories and speeds.

I have Dell XPS from the end of 2006, it has a firewire 400 port, USB 2.0 ports, a VGA port, S-Video, a phone modem, an A/B/G wireless card, Bluetooth 1, a DVD drive, and a mini PCI card slot. Even though everything still works, it's all yesterday's unsupported, slow technology. Although, I have upgraded it 3 times and replaced the monitor, so PC's do have that going for them.
 
Micro-USB is fine for syncing and charging, but doesn’t support the additional functions (e.g. video/HDMI out) that Apple’s proprietary connector allows. Apple wouldn’t include two connectors that perform the same function, so I expect we’ll see an adapter.

With a bit of luck, the new connector will include both digital and analogue audio outputs.

Isn't that exactly what MHL USB is for? Not that Apple will adopt that either.
 
"to make room for the earphone moving to the bottom",

Right. Apply completely re-designed the 30 pin dock connector just because of the placement of the headphone jack.

Either the source has no idea what they are talking about and is therefore bogus, or the source was badly mis-quoted.

There are plenty of reasons to re-do the dock connector, but pretty sure putting the headphone jack on the bottom is not the primary one.

If it is to be slimmer I understand, however there really is such a wealth of docks out there that the new connector will have to add some significant benefit.
 
If we weren’t prepared to adapt and change once in a while, we’d still be using SCSI ;)

Change is great if it has a clear advantage. With the new pico-SIM-card, the MagSafe 2 and the new Dock connector, it's only about saving a few mm...all while phones actually grow bigger. I don't want to use different chargers or adapters for my iPad 3 and the next iPhone, or when I borrow a friend's laptop charger.

If you want change for the sake of change, why not lobby the government to change the power socket format again? My god, it's so...old already!
 
That's not the point. Yes, Android is fragmented and you need a new accessory with every phone. The point is, that the only thing causing people to cling on to their outdated iPhone is the tie is to accessories and the eco system. Take one of those away and the cost of moving is less.

Now that Android (Phone and OS) is streaks ahead of Apple, more people will jump ship.

On a separate note, the headphone jack on the bottom of the phone is the place it always goes on Google Nexus devices, and it's the best place for it.

How in the heck do you reckon Android (Phone and OS) is streaks ahead of Apple? Really? I picked up the latest and greatest Samsung Android phone the other day in a phone shop and compared it to my iPhone 4s. the Android phone was slower and not graphics were not as good.
 
Wouldn't Apple consult the 3rd party vendors for all the iPhone devices?

Anything that has a fixed cradle with 30 pin connector could have problems. It's good that most after market car head units have a USB connector so you just plug in the right lead.

I've been looking at getting a dock for sometime, guess I'll wait until after the next iPhone comes out.
 
How in the heck do you reckon Android (Phone and OS) is streaks ahead of Apple? Really? I picked up the latest and greatest Samsung Android phone the other day in a phone shop and compared it to my iPhone 4s. the Android phone was slower and not graphics were not as good.

Your argument would hold more water if you knew the name of the Samsung phone you compared. Samsung make quite a few phones you know.
 
well i hope n pray it to be a magsafe connector, would be awesome, i m not buying anything else other than this phone :apple:
 
moaning about new connection

Get with the times people.

Maybe the new port will give us newer higher speed devices.

Plug in thunderbolt monitor perhaps, Computer Mode when screen/keyboard and mouse present.

And maybe even a snappier Safari
 
Dude, calm down, relax. I'm 90% Apple will come out with a adapter, it wouldn't make sense to not. Although knowing Apple they will charge you a premium for it.

It will be priced at 29 - dollars, euros or pounds.
 
Well that was an argument Apple used when Windows 7 launched, "If you're going to have to move your files to a new OS, why not move to Mac?"

Microsoft really let Apple have that though. No upgrade path from XP to 7 was a big slap in the face to businesses worldwide, and many consumers, the majority of which were still on XP. Many businesses are still using XP, even as it approaches EOL. I would not be surprised if we see many colleges go all-Mac once that happens, seeing as how their students largely are already. Like you said, if you have to transfer all your files manually anyway, then why the hell not go Mac? It'll even do it for you.
 
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Just please a connector that doesnt care which way you put it in and goes in easily.

MagSafe would be perfect, of course.
 
How in the heck do you reckon Android (Phone and OS) is streaks ahead of Apple? Really? I picked up the latest and greatest Samsung Android phone the other day in a phone shop and compared it to my iPhone 4s. the Android phone was slower and not graphics were not as good.

I've had a Galaxy Nexus since Nov having owned a 3, a 3G and the 4, and IMO Android is significantly better as is the hardware.

Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a great phone, and back when I owned my iPhone it was the best on the market. Now, it's been surpassed and those who want the best phone and are not slaves to marketing buy Android.
 
... I don't like how convoluted the Apple selection of devices is becoming, in essence we'll see 3 branches of mobile device

"Legacy"
iPhone 3gs, has ios 6 but limited features and now the old dock.
iPhone 4, more features than the 3gs on ios 6, old dock.
iPad 2, no siri on ios 6 and old dock.

"Legacy connector but full OS"
iPhone 4s, all the features of ios 6, new dock.
iPad 3, all features of ios 6, old dock.

"New Connector and full OS"
All of the features:
iPhone 5 or whatever
iPad mini (If it exists)
iPad 4

I think the "Legacy connector but full OS" is wrong. Should read "Legacy connector and nearly full OS", on the basis that I reckon Apple will be introducing something new (NFC?) into the new iPhone...

The only thing which bothers me in this design is the asymmetry on the bottom. I think the 4/4s design is one of the most beautiful things Apple ever engineered and this new bottom with headphone jack, asymmetric speakers and smaller dock looks clunky and amateurish.

It's pedantic, I know, but only one of them is a speaker...

I'm no expert, but I'm sure some of you are. Could the new connector be the EU-required micro-USB? And could it be that the headphone socket has been moved and improved so that, when connected to the new dock which contains a micro-USB and a 3.5mm jack it has all the same functionality as the current one?

If this is legit, might be a massive design fail, placing the microphones even further away from either a right- or left-handed user’s mouth when talking on the phone and possibly even placing an obstacle there (cable) further diminishing speech quality.

Looking at the picture, it looks like the microphone (if it's the smaller of the two) is slightly more central than on the iP4(s). But does it really matter where it is? It's surely sensitive enough. It works pretty well as a speaker phone, after all...

You've got a point on the cable, though. I don't get that, unless it's got another use (e.g. as part of the dock connection). It's not a problem for me - I use bluetooth for music and phone. But if you're listening to music and get a call, the music stops, and then starts when you hang up. And if you had to remove wired headphones to take a call (e.g. because your 'phones don't include a microphone), when you hang up either the music won't start again, or it would come out of the speaker. Neither is an improvement on the current system.

So there must be something else going on with the move of headphone socket. Just a shame that we won't be certain until either it's released, or something becomes obvious within iOS6...

Tiptopp
 
well i hope n pray it to be a magsafe connector, would be awesome, i m not buying anything else other than this phone :apple:

Well this just about sums it up. Apart from rumours, no idea what the phone will actually be like, but buying it anyway because they've been Apple-washed.
 
That's not the point. Yes, Android is fragmented and you need a new accessory with every phone.

I don't know what Android phones you are talking about, because the last time I looked the all used shared industry standards. For example, unlike Apple, Android even has a full and standards-compliant implementation of the BlueTooth standard. And all Android gadgets use standard USB cables to power and connect the device. Oh, and they don't need external software like iTunes to let the user access his data on the device.

But you're right - if you're talking about sleeves and cases, you have to buy a new one for each phone. Could have something to do with the variety of form factors...

I've said it before and I say it again: Apple calls this fragmentation, others call it freedom, diversity and choice.
 
Earhone on the bottom? Cumbersome.

As a 2nd- and 4th-gen iPod nano user, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised how much sense this makes.. your phone would be correctly oriented when you pull it out of your pocket! Your cheaper "iPod" dock no longer needs a 3.5mm cable snaking up to the top of the phone! :D
 
Microsoft really let Apple have that though. No upgrade path from XP to 7 was a big slap in the face to businesses worldwide, and many consumers, the majority of which were still on XP. Many businesses are still using XP, even as it approaches EOL. I would not be surprised if we see many colleges go all-Mac once that happens, seeing as how their students largely are already. Like you said, if you have to transfer all your files manually anyway, then why the hell not go Mac? It'll even do it for you.

I don't want to go Mac, because I feel at home in Windows, I enjoy using my PC. I haven't had a good experience with Macs so id be unlikely to go back. Plus none of the Macs out there have a video card that I want.

But you're right - if you're talking about sleeves and cases, you have to buy a new one for each phone. Could have something to do with the variety of form factors...

I've said it before and I say it again: Apple calls this fragmentation, others call it freedom, diversity and choice.

Half the time you need to do that with iPhone. Half the accessories made for each iPhone won't work with the next one, stuff made for the 2G wouldn't work with the 3G like the docks, My case for my iPhone 4 didn't fit on my 4S.
 
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This Iphone 5...sorry 6...talk is getting borring...

Anyone who wants to join me for some soccer or frisbee in the sun?
 
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