Review: 2018 Accord Hybrid Offers Honda's Quality Display Audio Infotainment System With Sensible CarPlay Integration

[ArtOfWarfare]

Tesla doesn't support CarPlay, so....

Anything to make it harder for people to stare at their damned phones while driving can only be a good thing in my book. "Hang up and drive!"

It's ridiculous that anybody thinks it's better to actually be manually driving a car and using CarPlay, a system that generally makes poor use of screen space, is laggy, is confusing and buggy, and is inconsistent between hardware. CarPlay has a lot in common with Windows 95, now that I think of it.

Just buy a Tesla, throw it into Autopilot, and use your phone.

 

[shareef777]

It's ridiculous that anybody thinks it's better to actually be manually driving a car and using CarPlay, a system that generally makes poor use of screen space, is laggy, is confusing and buggy, and is inconsistent between hardware. CarPlay has a lot in common with Windows 95, now that I think of it.

Just buy a Tesla, throw it into Autopilot, and use your phone.

You do realize a Tesla with Autopilot costs twice the price of a fully loaded Accord ... and it STILL doesn’t include CarPlay lol.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d absolutely love to get a Tesla with autopilot, but even with the Model3 (a slightly smaller car), it’s too expensive. I’m hoping that when the ModelY comes out it’s closer to the ICE equivalents. If it’s only a 20% premium, I’d pick one up.

 

[vipergts2207]

It's ridiculous that anybody thinks it's better to actually be manually driving a car and using CarPlay, a system that generally makes poor use of screen space, is laggy, is confusing and buggy, and is inconsistent between hardware. CarPlay has a lot in common with Windows 95, now that I think of it.

Just buy a Tesla, throw it into Autopilot, and use your phone.

Model S is too expensive. Model 3 is too ugly. Plus well known QC issues with paint and assembly. The tech is cool, but that's about it. Pass.

Also, pretty sure using your phone while on autopilot is still not safe, and likely illegal in most places. We've seen the deaths resulting from self-driving cars killing their occupants or others. Not saying self-driving cars aren't the future, but the idea that you can just hop in the car and go to sleep or watch movies on your phone is wrong and dangerous.

After pricing one I see that even the Model 3 is too pricey for many. An absolute base model that includes autopilot is $51k! That's touching on the price of a Mercedes E-class. How many people do you see driving around in an E-class? Not many because most can't afford a car that expensive. And what's with the ugly as hell stock wheels they put on the Model 3? Similarly-priced cars I'd take in a heartbeat over a Model 3: Dodge Charger SRT392, Audi S5, Infiniti Q50 Red Sport, Mercedes E300, and BMW 440i.

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

After pricing one I see that even the Model 3 is too pricey for many. An absolute base model that includes autopilot is $51k!

That's not the absolute base model. You still have Premium Upgrade Package ($5K) and the Mid-Range battery ($6K) selected. Tesla is currently supply constrained and only giving access to cheaper configurations to select people. In Europe and China, they're not even allowing the Mid-Range battery to be selected right now, forcing people in those areas to get the Long Range (another $3K beyond mid-range).

You're also neglecting to factor in the tax credits ($7500 federal + $2500 if you're in CA or MA, more in some states, less in others) and savings in maintenance and gas. Personally, I live in MA where gas is cheap and electricity is expensive - I'm still saving $0.10/mile in fuel costs. Others are seeing double or more that.

And - this cannot be overstated - I have literally been given additional time. I was previously spending ~10 hours per week in traffic. I have that back. What I can do with that time is somewhat limited today, but as autopilot improves every week, it needs my input less frequently. At the current rate of improvement, I expect within a year that I'll be able to just use my laptop and change my workday from being 2 hours in the car + 8 hours in the office to just 2 hours in the car + 6 hours in the office.

Also, that's something I think people keep missing when they compare Tesla to anything else is the constant improvements to the vehicles they already produced. You don't just buy the best car available today - you buy the car that's going to improve every week to perpetually maintain its status as the best car available. Any other car is best on the day you buy it. A Tesla is worst on the day you buy it, despite being better than literally anything else you can buy.

 

[vipergts2207]

That's not the absolute base model. You still have Premium Upgrade Package ($5K) and the Mid-Range battery ($6K) selected. Tesla is currently supply constrained and only giving access to cheaper configurations to select people. In Europe and China, they're not even allowing the Mid-Range battery to be selected right now, forcing people in those areas to get the Long Range (another $3K beyond mid-range).

You're also neglecting to factor in the tax credits ($7500 federal + $2500 if you're in CA or MA, more in some states, less in others) and savings in maintenance and gas. Personally, I live in MA where gas is cheap and electricity is expensive - I'm still saving $0.10/mile in fuel costs. Others are seeing double or more that.

And - this cannot be overstated - I have literally been given additional time. I was previously spending ~10 hours per week in traffic. I have that back. What I can do with that time is somewhat limited today, but as autopilot improves every week, it needs my input less frequently. At the current rate of improvement, I expect within a year that I'll be able to just use my laptop and change my workday from being 2 hours in the car + 8 hours in the office to just 2 hours in the car + 6 hours in the office.

Also, that's something I think people keep missing when they compare Tesla to anything else is the constant improvements to the vehicles they already produced. You don't just buy the best car available today - you buy the car that's going to improve every week to perpetually maintain its status as the best car available. Any other car is best on the day you buy it. A Tesla is worst on the day you buy it, despite being better than literally anything else you can buy.

I actually did miss the federal tax incentive which brings the base model down to a more reasonable $45k. And I still call it base model because if you can’t actually order the lower trim options, then it is effectively the base model. Doesn’t mean anything if you can’t actually buy the cheaper version. It’d be like Apple advertising iPhones starting at $450 with the iPhone 7, but then you go to buy one and they tell you actually we only have the $750 Xr and $1000 Xs available for you to purchase. Does someone wanting the cheaper iPhone no good.

Additionally, that tax credit gets cut in half on January 1st in literally just under three weeks, bringing it back up to an almost $50k car. Most people aren’t looking at getting a car less than three weeks from now and the few who are, are still likely SOL because most Teslas are built to order anyway. Of course then in July it gets cut in half again, taking it back over $50k. Maybe by then you’ll be able to buy the presently unavailable actual base model.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On a more personal note, as someone who wants their next car to have a big V8 or at least a forced induction 6 cylinder, I don’t really care too much about gas mileage. It’ll be a few years though, the wife needs a new car first so we’re getting her a new AWD Challenger GT in January/February.

 

[shareef777]

That's not the absolute base model. You still have Premium Upgrade Package ($5K) and the Mid-Range battery ($6K) selected. Tesla is currently supply constrained and only giving access to cheaper configurations to select people. In Europe and China, they're not even allowing the Mid-Range battery to be selected right now, forcing people in those areas to get the Long Range (another $3K beyond mid-range).

You're also neglecting to factor in the tax credits ($7500 federal + $2500 if you're in CA or MA, more in some states, less in others) and savings in maintenance and gas. Personally, I live in MA where gas is cheap and electricity is expensive - I'm still saving $0.10/mile in fuel costs. Others are seeing double or more that.

And - this cannot be overstated - I have literally been given additional time. I was previously spending ~10 hours per week in traffic. I have that back. What I can do with that time is somewhat limited today, but as autopilot improves every week, it needs my input less frequently. At the current rate of improvement, I expect within a year that I'll be able to just use my laptop and change my workday from being 2 hours in the car + 8 hours in the office to just 2 hours in the car + 6 hours in the office.

Also, that's something I think people keep missing when they compare Tesla to anything else is the constant improvements to the vehicles they already produced. You don't just buy the best car available today - you buy the car that's going to improve every week to perpetually maintain its status as the best car available. Any other car is best on the day you buy it. A Tesla is worst on the day you buy it, despite being better than literally anything else you can buy.

Went to Tesla.com, and rear drive with only option being auto-pilot and it’s $51k. And how does it save time? You’ll still get stuck in the same traffic, what do you do that’s helpful during traffic? You do realize you’re still LEGALLY and by Tesla’s own mandate supposed to be paying attention to the road.

I’m not including incentives, just as I didn’t for the Accord.

 

[Maxman4D]

Yep! That's AWESOME