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Overpriced and under powered why not have two monitor ports of the same type. If I buy two monitors, it means I have to make sure they have both thunderbolt and display port (or by some dongles)? (i'm not very up on monitor connectors nowadays) I noticed the was no mention at what frequency it drove the two 4k monitors (30/60Hz)?

Wonder what happened to the Dell TB16 dock? Looks like it is also an overpriced $299 can supply 130W to laptops or 60W to thunderbolt peripherals. Read that people are having drop out issues with that one just like the TB15
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You would want more so that the laptop charged more quickly.
Two posts and gone, I'm guessing he was banned under another ID and can't control his addiction to MR ;)
 
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Overpriced and under powered why not have two monitor ports of the same type.

TB3/USB-C kinda demands that one of the two possible video outputs is via the downstream USB-C/TB3 connector.

MiniDP is a great choice for the second connector since most existing MacBook Pro users already have a trunkload of MiniDP-to-VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort adapters.

The easy way to support, say, a pair of DisplayPort connections, would be to use DisplayPort MST mode to support two displays off one DisplayPort stream - but, unfortunately, Mac OS doesn't support that. I note that StarTech's "Dual Display" TB3 dock is Windows only, so presumably there are complications with MacOS.

Wonder what happened to the Dell TB16 dock?

I'd take the fact that Dell had to recall the TB15, people are complaining about the TB16 (and I've seen someone here complaining about the similar HP dock) and that both Caldigit and OWC are struggling to get their docks out on time as evidence that designing TB3 docks is not quite as straightforward as it should be, and that maybe we shouldn't be armchair quarterbacking the process.

OTOH, Apple made their mainstream laptops dependent on TB3/USB-C before the technologies were stable so they deserve whatever they get. I recall it was 2-3 years before most of the promised TB1 docks were actually ready (and some never did see the light of day).
 
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Would be perfect if it had a thundebolt 2 port

If it had a Thunderbolt v2 port then it could not have a Thunderbolt v3 port. The number of folks who want a TBv3 port is likely larger than those who want the downstream TB stream capped at just v2.

The maximum number of TB ports is two. If you consume one of the ports and attach an internal v3-to-v3 adapter to it then the number of ports is still two ( one in , v3, and one out , v2 ). It is far more flexible over the long term that the adapter be external. That way as you drop off TBv2 devices over time you an move the adapter closer to the "end" of the TB chain. Placed toward the beginning of the chain everything downstream is limited to v2.
 
Good for you. If you've got a single computer and only a few peripherals that's fine. If you've got multiple computers sharing a bunch of peripherals, some regularly used, some just for an occasional, crucial job, and you bought a powerful laptop so it could "commute" between home and work - so you need two sets of adapters and docks - then, not so much.

USB-A/[Mini]DisplayPort/HDMI are still the ports supported by the majority of currently shipping PCs including the whole of Apple's own desktop line. Apart from a few ultra portables and mobile devices, even computers from other manufacturers with USB-C/TB3 mostly manage to squeeze in a few USB-A or video ports - and often separate power supply ports so that charging via USB-C is an option if you want a dock, and otherwise doesn't "waste" a high-bandwidth I/O port.

The only real technical advantage of USB-C/TB3 is combining lots of different ports into one on mobile devices (even USB 3.1 gen 2 is compatible with the "old" USB3-A ports - plenty of PC motherboards offer this). Full-sized DisplayPorts/HDMI aren't going away in a hurry: show me a PCIe graphics card with USB-C or TB3 video out - TB3 doesn't even support DisplayPort 1.3/1.4 - or any signs that TV equipment is going to move to USB-C. 2-3 years down the line, maybe (but you'll have outgrown the soldered-in SSD on your 2016 MBP by then).

My work is an all Mac workplace and I have multiple Macs at home. Transferring files between Macs has never been an issue because we use airdrop all the time. When we're transferring large files we use a thunderbolt cable to connect the two Macs together and then we've got the fastest data transfer available.

A lot of windows machines don't allow you to charge through the USB-C port, which is a missed opportunity. Dell's TB3 is also half speed! IMO, it's the PC manufacturers that are wasting the USB-C port by crippling it. The 15 MBP has 4 full speed TB3 ports that can drive 2X 5K monitors! Now that's powerful I/O.

HDMI has no place touching my Mac via cable. If we need to connect to a TV for presentations, we do it via AirPlay. TVs can use HDMI indefinitely for all I care.

The "only" technical advantage of TB3 is everything and the 15" MBP has 4 of them.
 
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Overpriced and under powered why not have two monitor ports of the same type.

It can be done if drop the second Thunderbolt port. That might decrease the costs a little bit but also makes the dock a "dead end" in terms of Thunderbolt daisy chain. If only buying just one TB device that might be OK, but long term it is less flexible.



If I buy two monitors, it means I have to make sure they have both thunderbolt and display port (or by some dongles)? (i'm not very up on monitor connectors nowadays) I noticed the was no mention at what frequency it drove the two 4k monitors (30/60Hz)?

It isn't mean that at all. It just means you have to buy the right cables. if you get a monitor with a regular DisplayPort connector you'd need a miniDP-2-fullDP cable for the mini DP socket here. Same cable matching for the Type-C port (i.e., 2nd TB port); a type-C-to-fullDP cable will do the job. The monitor would have two full size DP sockets in each case. If the Monitor has mDP then a different cables. if monitor has two HDMI ports. Again two cables of the appropriate type.

If you wanted to daisy chain your monitors then there are some models that do that with DisplayPort protocols. DP Monitor 2 can be hooked to monitor 1. That might get tripped up depending upon the DP pass through implementation on the dock. ( The Thunderbolt controller probably can decode locally into two separate streams, but the DP MST back into single stream may not be supported. Usually TB is peeling off one, maybe two, streams , but probably presumes if want to send further down that keeping it in native TB data format is better. )


TBv3 supports two DP1.2 streams. A DP1.2 stream can handle 4K@60Hz just fine.




Wonder what happened to the Dell TB16 dock? Looks like it is also an overpriced $299 can supply 130W to laptops or 60W to thunderbolt peripherals. Read that people are having drop out issues with that one just like the TB15

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You would want more so that the laptop charged more quickly.

130W to laptops is outside the specs .... so no, "more wattage" is not always better.

The >90W for the Dell dock was more so to for feeding power through the USB only port network than out through Thunderbolt. Multiple high wattage USB recharging/powering loads coupled to another 60-90W load on the TB port for a laptop. Would separate those loads and keep them independent and managed.

You really don't want Maximum power possible. What is needed is properly negotiated power. Rapid charging has to adhere to some strict standards to avoid problems. Not flowing too much current is important. There are quick charging standards for smartphones and other devices. USB hasn't really be a leader in that technology in terms of robust and high compliance standards. I think that is showing with Type-C and its intersection with Thunderbolt alternative mode.
 
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I was recently in a meeting where someone was trying to hook a new Macbook Pro up to a commercial projector. She didn't realize that the USB-C to Thunderbolt adapter didn't support Mini-Display-Port video (she also had a Mini-Display-Port to VGA adapter). She had three different dongles with her, but not the one she really needed, which Apple does sell (a Belkin USB-C to VGA adapter, https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HJUZ2ZM/A/belkin-usb-c-to-vga-adapter). And she works for Apple! This whole premise of removing ports and than selling dongles and adapters is really annoying. Personally I prefer a slightly thicker laptop that has necessary ports rather than carrying around a bunch of dongles and adapters.

"commercial projector" ..... or is that actually a " paid way too much for a really old" projector. VGA display standards are obsolete ( it is not even a supported standard anymore. It has been abandoned at this point. It is fixed in time so cheap to implement... but it is fixed back in early 2000's. Maybe up to 1366x768/1280x800 ( more likely 1024 x 768 ) and a color pallet that is a joke ( 256 or so ) colors in todays era of HDTV (let aloneHDR).

Sure trying to plug a mDP-2-HDMI adaptor into the TBv2-to-TBv3 adaptor would have had similar problem, but really VGA ? I know there are sites that sank tons of money into VGA wiring and boosters, but the main reason VGA travel further than DP or HDMI is because the actual imagery transmitted is much worse. And solutions like hook an AppleTV (or similar) via HDMI to a modern projector just work a lot better over distances with better visual results.

HDMI or mDP as an option has some merits as an argument. However, putting every port that has existed since the 1980's on a laptop ( or even desktop) drifts into the absurd. Hooking up to really old equipment probably should be via an adaptor. If you go to Amazon and look at the video projector category there isn't even a filter for "VGA" as a connectivity type for the projectors ( HDMI , DisplayPort, wireless , etc. yes. VGA ? no. ) . There is used stuff on Amazon that dates from the 90's (and early 2000's ) with VGA only connectors... but any projector that is VGA only in terms of connection, the resolution (and lumens) is typically lacking in modern terms.

The acute question is why are so many marginal projectors are still in use? That is a boat anchor I don't think any modern PC needs.
 
VGA display standards are obsolete

Yes, that's very comforting to know when you turn up at the meeting venue to plug in your laptop and are faced (as is frequently the case) with a VGA cable. Maybe the projector has a HDMI input - hard to tell when it's bolted to the ceiling and darn it, I forgot to pack my 20' HDMI cable. VGA is the one they wire up because that's what the majority of people still use here in the real world.

I did actually get caught out a few months ago and end up in a room with only HDMI (it was a big TV rather than a projector) - fortunately I had my trusty 2011 MBP with me and they had a MiniDP to HDMI adapter: I'd have been seriously out of luck if I'd needed USB-C to HDMI.

Not that anybody was expecting the 2016 MBP to feature a built-in VGA port - but its predecessor did have a HDMI port (which is what you need if you're lucky enough to cop an up-to-date data projector) and its a pain having to replace all your miniDP-to-VGA adapters with new ones.

At least if they'd switched the iPad to USB-C (where it makes more sense) we wouldn't still need two sets of adapters...
 
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Is the Thunderbolt 3 dock compatible with Apple's Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter for use with a Thunderbolt 2 Mac? That way when I eventually upgrade to a Thunderbolt 3 Mac I don't need to get a new dock to fully benefit from Thunderbolt 3 (vs getting and reusing a Thunderbolt 2 dock now).
Are you not reading? The compatibility of dongles is horrible under best conditions on "supported" hardware. If you need a TB2 dock, buy a TB2 dock and sell it with your machine... singles have become "expendable" items now.
 
Or, god forbid, having an up-to-date desktop machine. Once you're at the point where you need that much I/O, why work with a laptop with miniaturized components optimized for power consumption and portability?
Ha,ha... a competively spec'd Mac "desktop" that's funny. They have performance, but they are just as connection-light as the laptops.
 
When are people going to realize that a TB3 port isn't end-all, be-all port? TB is riddled with issues. Still no TB3 dock that can connect to a couple 4K displays without the displays having TB themselves? Ridiculous. Put the friggin' ports back into the Macbook so people don't need to buy a $300+ cripplied dock. TB pretty much sucks.
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$300 for ports. Good thing the laptop itself is so cheap...

Wait...what? ;)
 
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Two posts and gone, I'm guessing he was banned under another ID and can't control his addiction to MR ;)
was he a troll?
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TB3/USB-C kinda demands that one of the two possible video outputs is via the downstream USB-C/TB3 connector.

MiniDP is a great choice for the second connector since most existing MacBook Pro users already have a trunkload of MiniDP-to-VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort adapters.

The easy way to support, say, a pair of DisplayPort connections, would be to use DisplayPort MST mode to support two displays off one DisplayPort stream - but, unfortunately, Mac OS doesn't support that. I note that StarTech's "Dual Display" TB3 dock is Windows only, so presumably there are complications with MacOS.



I'd take the fact that Dell had to recall the TB15, people are complaining about the TB16 (and I've seen someone here complaining about the similar HP dock) and that both Caldigit and OWC are struggling to get their docks out on time as evidence that designing TB3 docks is not quite as straightforward as it should be, and that maybe we shouldn't be armchair quarterbacking the process.

OTOH, Apple made their mainstream laptops dependent on TB3/USB-C before the technologies were stable so they deserve whatever they get. I recall it was 2-3 years before most of the promised TB1 docks were actually ready (and some never did see the light of day).

Cheers...

I was thinking about getting a dual monitor setup for my XPS 15 and would have been good to have a one cable solution but a bit worrying with the complaints.

Anyone know if I can daisychain two 4k monitors off a single usb-C/Thunderbolt port (Dell XPS 15)
 
What I'm saying is that a typical PC notebook has more than just USB-C ports on it. I'm not saying there aren't any models that don't, but you can easily get one with most or all of these ports already on it, thus costing you ZERO to obtain them. You might want some more USB ports (i.e. $25). For the new Macbook Pro models, you can't do a damn thing without an adapter or hub of some kind and a basic USB hub isn't going to cut it. This $299 job illustrates the point. THAT is what I'm saying. When you're stuck with just Apple as the supplier of ALL Mac hardware, you get what they offer and nothing else (unless you go Hackintosh).
Well, this isn't what you were saying. You were saying the hubs for Mac cost more, and they don't. Yes, the lack of anything except USB-C is stupid and is one of the reasons I deliberately bought a 2015 rMBP in 2017, but it's more because I don't want to carry dongles that I know I'll lose, not that they're expensive. They've finally switched to a real standard instead of their super-priorietary Thunderbolt crap that actually was super expensive.
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What in the world are you babbling about?

USB-C isn't proprietary, it's the standard. I stopped buying USB A peripherals and replaced my cables with USB-C. Simplifying my peripherals and cables has been awesome.
I'm boycotting USB-C :D
Just kidding. I'm just avoiding it for now because I see no advantage to using it, plus they're probably going to change it a million times before there is any advantage.
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Or, god forbid, having an up-to-date desktop machine. Once you're at the point where you need that much I/O, why work with a laptop with miniaturized components optimized for power consumption and portability?
Main reason I use my desktop is its superior heat dissipation. I hate working on a laptop that gets hot, noisy, and laggy, which tends to happen when I'm using lots of peripherals like monitors. I think mobile hardware still has some improvements to be made before I can switch exclusively to laptop + docking station.
 
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I'm boycotting USB-C :D
I use my usb-c port on my Dell XPS all the time for, wait mmm, actually I haven't used it yet but I have used the USB-A, SD card slot, HDMI, earphones but had to resort to buying a dongle for ethernet - good thing Apple had reduced their prices on dongles for a bit, was able to pick one up half price or something. :D
I can see why you bought the 2015 MBP
 
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I use my usb-c port on my Dell XPS all the time for, wait mmm, actually I haven't used it yet but I have used the USB-A, SD card slot, HDMI, earphones but had to resort to buying a dongle for ethernet - good thing Apple had reduced their prices on dongles for a bit, was able to pick one up half price or something. :D
I can see why you bought the 2015 MBP
If only my rMBP had an ethernet port. I lost the dongle, of course, and I hate using wifi since it sucks.
 
Shouldn't this thing cost $800? That's what Apple would charge. $299 is still ridiculous when you can buy an entire PC for that, but you have to expect to pay through the nose with the Mac. PC Hub? $25. Mac hub. $299. Yeah, ti's Thunderbolt 3. But those ports all used to come with a Mac years ago. PCs still do come with them. So pay $2400 for a 15" Macbook Pro with a lousy 250GB of storage ($3000 for 1TB) and then another $299 to get all those ports the $2000 model used to come with. And the Mac fanatics will EAT IT UP because they enjoy paying through the nose.

I'm curious what "dock" you can buy for a PC that isn't also like $300 because I remember all the real docks for PCs usually ran on a proprietary interface to work (not Thunderbolt) and only gave me two USB ports, maybe a VGA port, and sometimes an optical drive for another $300 on top of the price of the dock. Perhaps you can compare similar products from other companies that offer similar features; I found the Dell one for $300, or if you want a more cutdown one the Targus dock is $200.

There is nothing stopping you from buying that $25 USB hub for your PC for the Mac. I have the ones you buy on Amazon that provide me with a couple standard ports and they work just fine. In fact many USB-C accessories work. But in the end of the day a USB hub is not a dock.

And since you prefer to complain about the Mac pricing which is quite irrelevant to this particular product, lets have a real takeaway to this: the real life lesson is if you want leather seats, heated and cooled seats, a V6 for $35k then you gotta buy that Nissan or Toyota, but you're leaning towards that shiny BMW or Mercedes for the same things, be prepared to be pay $50k for the 6-cylinder model plus that $3k option for leather seats and another $2k that gets you heated and cooled seats.

While we're on the topic of ridiculous pricing, $50k can get you a whole house in the middle of the midwest with no Internet access. Yes I would consider myself in the crowd that would buy anything Apple at this point, but as long as I'm happy that's all that matters right? While I may aspire to buy that $100M house, if that $50k house makes you happy, why attack the ones of us that aspire for more?
 
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Meh, the USB ports should all be 2.4 Amp like normal charging ports. (Not 3 x .9A and 1 x 1.5A "high powered") ... this 60W thing... pricey.
 
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Shouldn't this thing cost $800? That's what Apple would charge. $299 is still ridiculous when you can buy an entire PC for that, but you have to expect to pay through the nose with the Mac. PC Hub? $25. Mac hub. $299. Yeah, ti's Thunderbolt 3. But those ports all used to come with a Mac years ago. PCs still do come with them. So pay $2400 for a 15" Macbook Pro with a lousy 250GB of storage ($3000 for 1TB) and then another $299 to get all those ports the $2000 model used to come with. And the Mac fanatics will EAT IT UP because they enjoy paying through the nose.

Umm, the Dell TB16 Thunderbolt 3 dock costs $265.99 (which is a sale price off of the $299 price): http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-thunderbolt-dock-tb16-240w/apd/452-bcnu/pc-accessories

This pricing is pretty normal for a TB3 dock. Even the non-TB3 Surface Dock costs $199: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/accessories/surface-dock

Not sure why you're comparing to a $25 hub.

Even when I had an XPS 15, I still wanted a dock (I went with a WD15 USB C dock, which also costs close to $200), because I wanted the convenience of a single item I could plug and charge my laptop from without having to plug/unplug a bunch of cables every time. Even with those extra ports on your laptop, that's the main logic behind a dock and why people have been willing to pay a premium for them.
 
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As a 15" Late 2016 MBP owner, I have two differences of opinion on opinions stated in this article.

First, it is NOT a show stopper that this dock only delivers 60W to the MBP, i.e. 3A at 20V. While it is true that the Apple charger is rated to deliver 4.3A at 20.2V, the MBP only draws about 1A at 20V to operate with the battery fully charged, so you can easily charge you battery with the extra 2A.

Second, if you are connecting a computer to a TB3 dock, you really should be using it's Ethernet port to connect to your LAN. There are many reasons for this, my favorite is that wired connections have fewer failure modes compared to wireless and are therefore better availability.
 
I'm curious what "dock" you can buy for a PC that isn't also like $300 because I remember all the real docks for PCs usually ran on a proprietary interface to work (not Thunderbolt) and only gave me two USB ports, maybe a VGA port, and sometimes an optical drive for another $300 on top of the price of the dock.

You just don't get it do you? I'm saying MOST PCs (including notebooks) already come with those ports so you don't need a breakout dock, just a USB3 dock! At the very least, you have the option of choosing a model that does come with useful ports instead of only Thunderbolt3/USB-C ports with NO OTHER CONNECTIONS. With Apple, you have NO CHOICES. You have to buy the FECES they're selling you whether you like it or not if you want to run OS X (macOS). I've railed against this for years because I like the operating system and protection against malware, etc. that it provides by being UNIX and being less used (less of a target). I do not like my hardware choices from Apple! I wish the courts would have ruled against Apple for cloned hardware because Apple refuses to make a quality computer anymore. "THIN" and "PRETTY" don't make up for slow GPUs, lack of internal storage and expansion and one-dimensional thinking when it comes to a transition period new style ports.

There is nothing stopping you from buying that $25 USB hub for your PC for the Mac.

Sure there is. It won't do any damn good because it's USB-C only at the notebook! See above.

And since you prefer to complain about the Mac pricing which is quite irrelevant to this particular product,

The hell it is. Apple's been screwing its users for years with profit margins that make everyone else in the industry look like amateurs. The problem is that's because they're thieves not because they have a better hardware product. They hold the operating system hostage by having a virtual monopoly on Macintosh hardware. When someone else tries to come in and offer alternative hardware, they sue the living crap out of them and the CORRUPT court system sides with the big guy (Apple).

The fact is that our courts have REFUSED TO ENFORCE ANTITRUST LAW NOW FOR DECADES and the corporations damn well know it. Look how the airlines just merge and merge and merge and how customer service has gone to hell, the seats keep getting smaller and the hostile attitude towards passengers keeps getting worse and worse. How would you like to lose two teeth and get a concussion for simply refusing to give up a seat you paid for and have already been seated in because management is TOO DAMN STUPID AND THOUGHTLESS to simply hire a private jet and/or bus to get its employees to the next hub instead of fracking over their customers and thinking that crap will fly? It WILL fly too because people have short memories and don't even show up to vote let alone do anything about The Corporate States of America becoming an absolute reality.

I don't mind paying a bit more for Apple because I want OS X, but I don't want to pay more AND not get the features I want as well and while you can at least work around the port issue on the Macbook Pro, the fact you have to pay $3000 to get 1TB hard drive on a 15" model means the damn computer costs almost 2x what it used to in 2008 for features that were considered "good" for the price (and that computer was simple to upgrade the hard drive and other features if you wanted to improve it; today Apple makes that damn near impossible so you HAVE to pay the $3000 or not have a 1TB internal hard drive.) Apple has changed and they've only gotten more expensive/ridiculous, not less while features have gotten worse and worse in trade for only LOOKS.


lets have a real takeaway to this: the real life lesson is if you want leather seats, heated and cooled seats, a V6 for $35k then you gotta buy that Nissan or Toyota, but you're leaning towards that shiny BMW or Mercedes for the same things, be prepared to be pay $50k for the 6-cylinder model plus that $3k option for leather seats and another $2k that gets you heated and cooled seats.

In other words, you ENJOY paying for a NAME that means NOTHING in terms of actual product. You're drinking way too much Apple kool-aid. BMW and Mercedes USED to mean something for product quality and luxury. Nowadays? Not so much. We aren't dealing with GM and Ford of the 1960s anymore. You are paying to say "I'm richer than you and therefore somehow better than you" except that anyone but an uninformed/ignorant person these days knows that isn't true. You get what you pay for and in the case of BMW, you get a car that has service that costs more than everyone else due to them taking active steps to make sure no one else can work on their cars (custom tools/bolts so standard stuff doesn't fit/work).

Come to think of it, you're right; they're EXACTLY like Apple. They used to be better. They used to not suck. They used to mean something. Now they're just overpriced and only the brainwashed believe they are truly better with one exception and that is again, the operating system. In fact, if Windows 10 weren't spyware combined with forced updates, I'd seriously consider giving them a close hard look at this point.



While we're on the topic of ridiculous pricing, $50k can get you a whole house in the middle of the midwest with no Internet access. Yes I would consider myself in the crowd that would buy anything Apple at this point, but as long as I'm happy that's all that matters right? While I may aspire to buy that $100M house, if that $50k house makes you happy, why attack the ones of us that aspire for more?

Why don't you think a house in the Midwest has Internet access??? I live in the Midwest (technically) and while my house doesn't cost $50k (although there are some in that range not far from here), I've got 110Mbps down and 11Mbps up for under $50 a month.
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Umm, the Dell TB16 Thunderbolt 3 dock costs $265.99 (which is a sale price off of the $299 price): http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-thunderbolt-dock-tb16-240w/apd/452-bcnu/pc-accessories

This pricing is pretty normal for a TB3 dock. Even the non-TB3 Surface Dock costs $199: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/accessories/surface-dock

Not sure why you're comparing to a $25 hub.

Even when I had an XPS 15, I still wanted a dock (I went with a WD15 USB C dock, which also costs close to $200), because I wanted the convenience of a single item I could plug and charge my laptop from without having to plug/unplug a bunch of cables every time. Even with those extra ports on your laptop, that's the main logic behind a dock and why people have been willing to pay a premium for them.

Because most PCs don't need a damn $300 dock to connect an Ethernet cable! THAT is my point (i.e. you don't need a $300 dock for most PCs since they already come with them; all you need is a USB3 hub). Apple Mabooks USED to come with the very ports you now have to pay $300 extra to get back ON TOP OF the $400 minimum price higher for the base model 15" Macbook Pro and that comes with a useless 250GB hard drive! So all told, you have to spend $3300 (1TB hard drive plus Thunderbolt 3 dock) to get a USABLE Macbook "Pro" and still has weak graphics. And I'm going to want to carry a $3300 notebook around with me to hotels and Starbucks? That sends a message there alright. It's, "Hey! I'm rich! Come rob me!"
 
And I'm going to want to carry a $3300 notebook around with me to hotels and Starbucks? That sends a message there alright. It's, "Hey! I'm rich! Come rob me!"
This is something that concerns me. I travel a lot & just upgraded from a 2008 MBP to the 2015 version. Beautiful machine, BUT no Kensington lock possibility. After a laptop theft from a (Supposedly) security guarded office many years ago during a ten minute absence, I am extremely twitchy about leaving my laptop unsecured for even a moment, but my work means I need my mobile office set up & need to leave it for extended lengths of time.
Seems the Kensington lock "hole" disappeared many versions ago, but I would love to see that back.

Sorry, this definitely is off-topic, but this post fired up a specific grievance of mine ;)
 
Still no TB3 dock that can connect to a couple 4K displays without the displays having TB themselves? Ridiculous. Put the friggin' ports back into the Macbook so people don't need to buy a $300+ cripplied dock. TB pretty much sucks.
- What makes you think this one or any of the other ones can't?

CalDigit, at least, specifically mentions that it's supported on both their Thunderbolt 3 docks.
 
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