Reviews should be honest and only minimally influenced by external constraints and situations. Image retention looks terrible. If someone wants/needs to live with it, fine. He should have just said that image retention exists, period.
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Review: ViewSonic's VP2788-5K Display Offers a Cheaper Alternative to Apple's Studio Display
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Taking into account the much lower build quality, lack of webcam, mic and decent speakers I am not sure this is such a great deal compared to the Studio display. I assume the matt surface is plastic just like every other non-Apple display I have used? If it was $600 it would be much more interesting. OTOH the ability to work with non-Apple computers could be quite useful for some people.
I agree that they should be honest. He was honest pointing it out. It wasn’t even on the monitor the article was reviewing. I don’t think it’s dishonest for him to say he learned to live with it.
I’ll agree that you should take anything said in a review with a huge grain of salt. Reviews get influenced not only by money but early access to products for review.
Also... photographers and content creators who are fussy about color. That's why I went with an Apple Studio Display and paid the extra $$$$.
I selected a reference mode when setting it up that yields prints out of my printer that are spot on with the display. And it hasn't drifted one bit over the 3+ years I've owned it, making hundreds of prints over that time. That's why it cost more money than other displays.
If you're not fussy about color accuracy when making prints, you can save a lot of money with an LG, BenQ, Dell, etc display. They *might* be fine for general use. But not for reliably and consistently making great prints.
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LOL thanks for the review Macrumors, we appreciate it! Trust me I've been nagging for higher refresh rates myself, which is why I haven't gotten rid of my cheaper VX Omni monitors for these..
(Signed a ViewSonic employee)
(Signed a ViewSonic employee)
Why is there no 32-inch 5K…? My eyes cannot handle 27-inch 5K…
Can you keep two macbooks connected at the same time to this monitor and use it as a kvm switch? I.e keep plugged in my logitech gear (mouse and keyboard) and with a button change from one mac to the other?
Currently using an ASD with some hacks to achieve this, but having something working out of the box would be great. Don’t care about camera or speakers tbh.
Currently using an ASD with some hacks to achieve this, but having something working out of the box would be great. Don’t care about camera or speakers tbh.
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Are you blind? You must have set the scaling to 200%, don't you? That's the standard setting when working with 27" and 220PPI screens!
I've been using an LG UltraFine 5K display since 2018. It's a fantastic display that is still unmatched outside of the much more expensive Apple displays that offer only a marginal quality improvement. The UltraFine 5K is simultaneously the best deal of the last decade, and the best kept secret.
But the monitors with image retention aren't the ones he's reviewing. They are his personal LG monitors that he mentions/describes for context to help understand the review for the ViewSonic monitor the article is about.
5K @ 120 Hz requires Thunderbolt 5 and/or DP 2.0 (really DP 2.1 for the cable specification). That's a relatively limited market, and there may also be a lack of panel driving chips that support that.
There's one available in China now for $500: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Affor...rnative-to-Apple-Studio-Display.994671.0.html
I also am not a huge fan of 218 ppi screens. I would much prefer something like 184-202 ppi.
5K 32.0" is 184 ppi.
Wait for another 20-30 year and you’ll be asking my very same question if they haven’t already have one…
And they arent retina, which is kinda the original point of 5k.
It is an easy marketing concept. But not an easy engineering one. No-one has released a 5k panel with higher refresh than 60hz, and Apple relies on third parties for their display panels.
Remember 5k has 30%+ more pixels to drive than 4k, and then you'd need double the bandwidth and processing power for 120hz.
Thunderbolt 5 has made this only theoretically possible.
Well, no one‘s eyes can handle 5k at 100% scaling. Just scale it. MacOS has a handy dandy setting for it. Or what do you mean? Usually the higher the ppi, the BETTER it is for the eyes (if fonts are scaled ofc.)
"Retina" depends on seating distance.
31.5" 5K 5120x2880 is Retina at 18.4" seating distance or more. Ergonomic guidelines for desktop computers recommend a seating distance of at least 20".
27"/32" 4k oled or mini led + high refresh is good enough for me. Though, I really wish Apple would make scaling more versatile like Windows, it would negate having to use third party apps for workarounds.
The issue with macOS isn't so much the scaling, it's the lack of sub-pixel anti-aliasing. Apple removed support for this in macOS after they adopted Retina screens.
Displays either works or don't work. I don't think there's a need for "customer support" beyond the warranty end date.
I've never heard of displays needing firmware updates either until Apple came out with the Studio Display that runs a mini iOS in the board.
I suspect @Eithanius is talking about normal 2X scaling. For older eyes, especially if you don't sit really close, it's nicer to have bigger text than is the default for a 218 ppi screen at 2X scaling. To accomplish this, something like 200 ppi would be much nicer.
Interestingly, Apple's old non-retina flagship 30" 2560x1600 Cinema HD Display was 101 ppi. A Retina version of that would be 5120x3200 at 201 ppi. That would be my holy grail for default text sizing and text quality. At 201 ppi, it would be considered Retina at distances of 17" or greater, but the text would be bigger than it is now on the Apple Studio Display.
I've had this and the ASUS ProArt 5K in my Amazon cart for a while now. I was going to pull the trigger to replace one of my 27" 4K displays on one of my systems on the ASUS when it went on sale (was hoping for < $750) , but hasn't and has in fact gone up (most likely due to tariffs).
I have both a base ASD and a Samsung S9 5K. The Apple Studio Display is fantastic, but where I have it currently I get glare. I like the picture from the S9, but the controls are bad, it has a massive power brick, runs warm and has truly horrible speakers. Where I have my ASD I really like not having to have external speakers, the aesthetics etc. I'd pick up a Nano texture one if the price was right and shift things around. I really hope they upgrade it and/or reduce the price. I'll be disappointed if they replace it with a larger 32" version as I've really found 27" to be the sweet spot for me for how I place my displays.
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I have both a base ASD and a Samsung S9 5K. The Apple Studio Display is fantastic, but where I have it currently I get glare. I like the picture from the S9, but the controls are bad, it has a massive power brick, runs warm and has truly horrible speakers. Where I have my ASD I really like not having to have external speakers, the aesthetics etc. I'd pick up a Nano texture one if the price was right and shift things around. I really hope they upgrade it and/or reduce the price. I'll be disappointed if they replace it with a larger 32" version as I've really found 27" to be the sweet spot for me for how I place my displays.
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This is beyond stupid. Immediate non-purchase for me. These ports were clearly designed for temporary things to be plugged in, but for some reason the other USB-C is far enough up? This is dumb. Pass.
As if you would use your Studio Display for sixteen years, or even be able to thanks to the lack of software updates. (Because it has not enough physical buttons anymore)
Or have you forgotten that Apple monitor cost twice as much?