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Originally posted by eyelikeart
To me, this is much like the people who steal cable. If u want to go after a source for it, go to the manufacturer of the tools which allow to do the stealing first.

Are you serious? No, you go after the people who do it. I think going after a 12 year old is ridiculous, but to say anyone else other than possibly the mother is ridiculous. She is responsible, and I'm glad she acknowledged that responsibility by settling.

By that reasoning, we're responsible for every single bad thing that happened in Iraq under Huessein seeing as how we put him into power, funded him, gave him WMD technology, and were his biggest supporters until he invaded Juwait.
 
If you don't wanna get caught, it's as simple as duplicating the file, and deleting the original. Then you won't be sharing the file anymore.
 
-All

Ok, let's not take this thread there. Plenty of war talk elsewhere. Let's stay on the RIAA.

Speaking of, I wish that the RIAA would loan their snazzy sniffer tech to the antispammers so we can track those $%#^&% down and block them!
 
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-All

Ok, let's not take this thread there. Plenty of war talk elsewhere. Let's stay on the RIAA.

Speaking of, I wish that the RIAA would loan their snazzy sniffer tech to the antispammers so we can track those $%#^&% down and block them!
Spam. Now there's something that really should be made illegal.
 

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What the RIAA is doing is Illegal!!!

I just figured this out, ok so if you copyright or patent something its yours, you own it, right? But if someone comes along and changes it, like with inventions, its technically new and not subject to the original patent. Same thing with these songs, thats how Weird Al can mock all these popular artists, because the song sounds almost identical, so listen up, when you make an MP3 or an AAC file, you are deleting the unhearable audio, and lowering the quality, and compressing the data, which we can all argue is a significant altering of the original copyrighted material, therefore its not the same material, therefore its no longer under copyright protection. It's kind of how Lindows takes advantage of Winblows DLLs without getting sued to hell, so what do you think? sounds good right?
 
Uhhh.. they have the right to sue under law, but technology has changed the context in which the laws operate.

They need to get with the times and innovate, but they just want to keep getting free money.

You're not freaking out because DVD's are macrovisioned because it's too much trouble to pirate a dvd movie anyway, for most folks.

The RIAA needs to agree on a dual-layer DVD audio format and promote the heck out of it, which keeping the price under $15.

They can DRM that all they want, cause almost no consumers have the equipment to copy it on, and they won't want to bother.
 
Re: What the RIAA is doing is Illegal!!!

Originally posted by davidc2182
I just figured this out, ok so if you copyright or patent something its yours, you own it, right? But if someone comes along and changes it, like with inventions, its technically new and not subject to the original patent. Same thing with these songs, thats how Weird Al can mock all these popular artists, because the song sounds almost identical, so listen up, when you make an MP3 or an AAC file, you are deleting the unhearable audio, and lowering the quality, and compressing the data, which we can all argue is a significant altering of the original copyrighted material, therefore its not the same material, therefore its no longer under copyright protection. It's kind of how Lindows takes advantage of Winblows DLLs without getting sued to hell, so what do you think? sounds good right?

-davidc2182

Well, that sounds good, but that's not the way intellectual property law works. When a song is copyrighted it's usually with two. One, the recording - the notes in the unique order that sets the song apart from all others. It has to be deemed unique enough to be copyrightable. And two, the title of the song to the recording, therefore the name is copyrighted with those particular notes and genre of song. These are set in stone - and as a musician, I'm happy about this.

There are exceptions to these rules however. One is the Parody. It is acknowledged that it has a basis in someone else's IP, and is different enough to pass muster with the lawyers. This is copyrightable in it's own right should it pass the legal test. As for "ripping" or "dubbing", this goes under the "Fair Use" clause. If I am the licensee of the CD (which is how the law views it - I don't own the content, just the physical disk), I can sublicense from myself onto other media. But I do not have the right to transfer that sublicense to others.

As a musician I'm happy about that too.

As you say "if you copyright or patent something its yours, you own it, right? But if someone comes along and changes it, like with inventions, its technically new and not subject to the original patent. ", this is nt true at all. That original IP needs to be addressed, or there will be a major suit. If a technology is invented that can even be argued to appear similar, there will be a suit - even if the second inventor lived in a cave without any way to know his invention isn't already that original. Usually the USPTO catches these similarities without the need for lawers, and simply denies the patent, but some slip by.

The RIAA is right in their interpretation of the law, as much as some would like to disparage them for other activities, they own their IP and we would be wrong to copy it without their permission. Ergo the word "Stealing", because that's exactly what it is.

However, I strongly disagree with the RIAA's tactics - that is where I feel they are in the wrong - even if it's perfectly legal.
 
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