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So what's the difference if I choose to boycott RIAA-member labels and their bands completely and not listen to them, or download their music? I REFUSE to give those labels my money, and either way, they're not getting it. At least with downloading, I can get to know the artist, like their music, and support them by going to concerts and buying other merchandise, which means they'll actually see my money.
First off, boycotting the major labels would probably get them to pay attention better because they'd have address the problem of, 'Hey, how do we get people to start buying from us again" as opposed to address the problem of, "Hey, how do we get people to stop downloading and uploading our stuff illegally?" Boycotting a major label puts the focus squarely on them, and why they are being boycotted and doesn't give them a chance to play the victim and point the finger at pirates. Also, strong album sales (and album debuts) is one of the few pieces of leverage bands can use when negotiating (or renegotiating) a contract. They are also an indication of where sales are strong so bands get an idea of places to hit while touring.

A couple of other things to keep in mind are that RIAA member labels aren't just "the big five." And just because a band is signed by an RIAA member label doesn't mean they are getting screwed and conversely just because a band isn't signed to an RIAA member label doesn't mean they aren't getting screwed. If this is about "artists rights" then it makes sense to make it case-by-case basis since as not all artists are in the same boat. Labels spend a lot of money paying a band to cut an album, marketing and distributing that album, and supporting the band on the road. All w/the knowledge that odds are the band will never turn a profit for them so of course they are going to hedge their bets. You know it, I know, the label knows it and the band knows it. But that slim chance at living their dream and "making it" is often more than enough to get a band to dance w/the devil. It's a risk, but so is trying to make a living as a musician in general. I don't agree w/the power and influence that the major labels wield, or w/any label that tries to exploit its artists, but the situation is more complex than just [caveman voice] "labels bad" [/caveman voice].:p


I presume that Britney Spears banging a keyboard for $124000 tab is worth it? That way I stick to the old jazz from the 1960's. It's the only thing worth saving.
Not that I own any of her albums, but cash cows like Britney can indirectly help small artists because if a label has a healthy stream of revenue coming in they'll be more likely to take more "risk" and sign a band that has less of a chance to make it in the mainstream world.


Lethal
 
How is it adding bias to the comment?

It is a very valid comparison.

Kudos to you if you're against file sharing and iPhone unlocking. At least you have a consistent viewpoint that way.

Because it's a leading phrase. It implies that Apple f**ked things up on purpose. Where in actual fact it was a by product of an upgrade which people were warned about.
 
"right to brick" is adding bias to the comment.

Well, they released a firmware update, right? And it's bricking hacked phones, right? The way I see it, I was stating facts.

But what's the difference? Don't record companies warn downloaders that they're breaking copyright laws? Don't they take someone to court from time to time to set an example? Aren't the people downloading intentionally messing with what rightfully belongs to Universal, EMI, Sony and BMG? Isn't it taking money out of their pockets?
 
I presume that Britney Spears banging a keyboard for $124000 tab is worth it?

Actually, based on the actual market results of who is buying the music, yes. Market value is determined by what a free and competitive market will pay for the commodity. Macdonalds hamburgers also sell well.

One great thing about music is there are many different styles and tastes. One bad thing about piracy is that the smaller and more eclectic markets will lose the ability to get music produced and distributed as the industry pulls back to only sure money makers.

don't misrepresent the facts
Exactly. What is being stolen is the copyright holder's right to say when and how their intellectual property gets copied, and under what terms. The fact that you are not stealing a physical object like a T-shirt is immaterial. You are stealing their right to copy, or to limit copying, their unique work of art.
 
Well, they released a firmware update, right? And it's bricking hacked phones, right? The way I see it, I was stating facts.

If you don't understand the terms:
biasing
emotive language
and
leading phrases

There is no point continuing.
 
Actually, based on the actual market results of who is buying the music, yes. Market value is determined by what a free and competitive market will pay for the commodity. Macdonalds hamburgers also sell well.

One great thing about music is there are many different styles and tastes. One bad thing about piracy is that the smaller and more eclectic markets will lose the ability to get music produced and distributed as the industry pulls back to only sure money makers.


Exactly. What is being stolen is the copyright holder's right to say when and how their intellectual property gets copied, and under what terms. The fact that you are not stealing a physical object like a T-shirt is immaterial. You are stealing their right to copy, or to limit copying, their unique work of art.

Wow, too bad for those lousy musicians then. Anyways back to Ornette Coleman and real musicians who play on the sly in underground clubs. Word.
 
We all have DVD/CD burners and megabit internet connections for a reason. :p

I personally believe music shouldn't be an industry and that it should be a choice to send support to artists. How in the world do authors do it? Most of them wouldn't dare quit their day job with plans to make it big writing. There is no WIAA shutting down libraries is there? Sure you could say you don't own a book you get from the library, but you don't own a song you buy from iTunes either. There is no PIAA shutting down free museums and websites displaying works of art. If I take a picture at MoMa and put it on flickr, no one is coming after me because guess what, most museums are also free with an optional donation. The world of arts should not be turned into a profitable industry.
 
I personally believe music shouldn't be an industry and that it should be a choice to send support to artists.
And if an artist wants to make their work available for everyone and only ask for donations in return they surely can. But not very many people can afford to work full time under those conditions.

How in the world do authors do it? Most of them wouldn't dare quit their day job with plans to make it big writing.
Pretty much the same way any other artists does. Work a 9-5 job then spend the rest of your waking hours writing tirelessly for an indefinite amount of time (months... years...) hoping that someone will start paying you for you work. Once the small pay checks start coming in (maybe from magazines paying for short stories or something) you hope that someday a publisher will get interested in you and cut you a big check for the rights to publish your novel (and hopefully not screw you over in the process). At some point though you have to "take the plunge" and devote yourself full time to writing/recording/painting/filmmaking whatever your art may be even though there is still always a chance you'll crash and burn. It's not much different than someone deciding to go out on their own and start their own business.

It's harder for bands and filmmakers because the nature their craft requires a more rigid schedule. Bands have to practice regularly and perform a lot to start building an audience. Filmmakers, well, have to collaborate w/a number of people in order to make a movie.

There is no WIAA shutting down libraries is there? Sure you could say you don't own a book you get from the library, but you don't own a song you buy from iTunes either.
That's about as inaccurate an analogy as I've ever heard and last time I was at a library they had CDs you could check out.

If I take a picture at MoMa and put it on flickr, no one is coming after me because guess what, most museums are also free with an optional donation.
And if you boot legged a concert no one would be coming after you either.

The world of arts should not be turned into a profitable industry.
Michelangelo didn't paint the Sistine Chapel 'cause he was bored.


Lethal
 
How in the world do authors do it?

Like I said earlier.. try producing an album and releasing it. To be a good author.. you need a great imagination, and a pen and lots of paper.

To be a good musician.. you need talent, a great imagination again.. music instruments.. and something to record all that music. There's quite a difference in costs when it comes to an author's material and a musician's gear.


Marketing and promotion applies to authors too.. aren't the publishing companies making money? They've invested in the author, they print his books, promote them everywhere. Same with music.

It's the artist's choice on whether he wants his/her art to be distributed freely, or if he/she wants to make a living out of it. If something is for sale, it shouldn't be downloaded for free. Are you all going to come up with the same excuses for downloading movies when broadband speeds go up? I have a feeling it's going to be "F**k the movie production companies! I can't stand them.. they pay only a minor share to the actors. So let's show them by downloading their flix for free"
 
The lady got what she deserved.

Sure she's in a situation where people sympathize her situation but when you pirate music or anything, you're basically taking a risk of getting caught.

I'm pretty damn sure that she knew the risks of pirating, so by choosing to do an illegal activity and getting caught, she'll have to accept her punishment. Some people are idiots who think they'll never get caught and share every single song they download (God knows how many) and in the end, they'll be the ones with a letter from the RIAA.

The lesson here is if you're going to pirate music do it smartly or don't do it at all.
 
It's not criminal who cares. No imprisonment for debt, if you don't have the money, civil judgments are useless.
 
Remember when DVDs came out and they said they had some super secret encryption method? How long did it take someone to break that?

Despite the security put in place, how many DVDs were sold? Boat-loads. This is just more proof that people are still willing to pay for a product they actually want.

I think $9250 is a lot to pay for a single song. Even drink drivers pay a smaller fine than that, as do thieves. I don't really count music downloading as "theft". The fine for downloading a single song should be much lower than $9200. Lets say $100-150, although I think that may also be a bit much.
 
Here is an open letter to the CRIA which was posted in reaction to the denying of access to Demonoid for Canadian residents:

To Whom It May Concern at the CRIA:

I have been an avid music collector for many years, and have approximately 1000 CD’s in my collection, not counting albums that I have purchased over the internet and own only digital copies of. I purchase approximately 30-40 new CDs per year. However, thanks to your recent decision to block Canadian users from accessing Demonoid, I have decided that I cannot continue to support this backwards, dysfunctional industry with my money any longer, and as such, I do not plan on purchasing music ever again if it means that one penny goes to your organization.

I listen to heavy metal music, a form of music that “the industry” stopped supporting many years ago, so I have a hard time feeling any sympathy. Sites such as Demonoid have done far more to promote the music I love than your organization or the industry in general has ever done. I can find out about new artists and new releases from artists that are never promoted. I can listen to music from artists that have never been played on the radio, will never be shown on MuchMusic or MTV, and never have a review or even mention of their new album written about in the local newspaper. From listening to this music, I can make an informed decision if I wish to purchase the album or not, as I am not going to gamble $15-20 on something that I haven’t heard anything off of before.

25 years ago, I primarily learned about music from friends who dubbed a copy onto a cassette tape, where I could listen to it and make a decision if I wanted to buy the tape for myself. Now, many years removed from school, my “gang” of friends to share music with has shifted from cassette tapes and the school cafeteria to sharing mp3’s online. I listen to some things that I don’t like, and consequently, I don’t buy those albums. What I do like, I buy, or at least I used to, before your decision intended to stop me from hearing new music.

The industry cries that record sales are down, and blames this all on internet downloading. I won’t be so naïve as to say that internet downloading has no impact on the sales. Downloading has certainly stopped me from making the stupid purchases where I heard one single that I liked and bought an entire album only to find out that the rest of the songs are crap, and the CD sits collecting dust on my shelf. But for every CD that I didn’t buy based on those premises, there are 2 or 3 other CDs that I did buy because I heard of them for the first time on a site like Demonoid.

In the meantime, the music industry itself needs to recognize that they are to blame for sagging record sales. For years, they have been marketing recycled crap, and people are getting tired of it. On the odd occasion that something fresh and new accidentally slips through and gets radio play, the music industry immediately signs a seemingly infinite number of clone bands that makes the “new, fresh” sound boring almost instantly. It seems the music industry doesn’t even care about making or promoting good music any more. Instead, they market a young, pretty face that can dance provocatively and lip-synch well, and push this on the radio stations to play while getting the tabloids to print large pictures of their breasts. If bands like AC/DC or Motorhead were to emerge today, they would never be successful; not because of poor record sales due to downloading, but due to the fact that they’re ugly so the record company wouldn’t promote them, if they picked them up at all. In the meantime, they’re falling all over themselves to promote Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, or any teenage tramp that can be airbrushed to look sexy.

The record labels cry about downloading cutting into the profits of the sales of albums. They put out “greatest hits” albums by 20-year olds with 2 or 3 albums under their belts, released with one new track to try and sucker the fans that already have both albums into spending another $20 for one new song, or re-releasing a 3-month old album with a “previously unreleased bonus track”. Then they can’t understand why people aren’t buying them, and cry foul that people are downloading the one new song instead.

I know not only the record companies are crying. Artists that have been around long enough to have enough clout to get a cut of the record sales are concerned about their cut, like Metallica that also clamor that “downloading is evil”, and then go on to sell over 9 million copies of their last album instead of 9.1 million. Boo hoo. Meanwhile, many younger, smaller artists favor downloading, because they know it’s the only way that people will get to hear the music and in turn come out to see their shows, because the record label sure as hell isn’t promoting them. But they can’t say that out loud, can they? If they do, guess which band is going to get dropped by the label?

So tell me, what does the CRIA do to promote metal? Oh, right, you’ve got a link to the top 50 “metal” albums in Canada, which after a quick glance at the top ten this week includes punk acts like Dropkick Murphys, Finger Eleven, and Billy Talent, and rock acts like Nickelback and Queen, but very little that resembles heavy metal. (Perhaps you should ask the Celtic punk band, Dropkick Murphys, what they think of being labeled as “metal”.)

And also tell me, without Demonoid, where would I have found out about bands like Evile or Dublin Death Patrol and made a decision to purchase their album online (because no record store that I have found in Canada carries either one). And god forbid the CRIA would care about the promotion of Canadian talent, such as longtime recording artist Annihilator, which released one of the better albums of 2007. However, I have yet to see their new album sold in any store in Canada, including HMV’s flagship store on Yonge Street in Toronto, and I ultimately had to buy a copy from a UK website. Considering the only place I had heard about this album was having downloaded it from Demonoid, do you really expect anyone to make this kind of effort to buy an album without ever having heard it?

The record labels and CRIA have gone to great lengths to tell us that downloading and sharing music is killing the music industry. Open your eyes and you will see that the music industry dinosaur has already been killing itself for years, and by resisting technology rather than embracing it and using it to their advantage. “Oh, but they have,” you try to insist, pointing to the sites devoted to selling music in mp3 format online. I notice that most of the metal bands I am interested in are still not available through these services. I also notice that buying an entire album ends up costing as much, if not more, than if I went to buy it in the store, even though there are no longer costs of materials or shipping that have to be paid for, and once again, I fail to come up with any sympathy for the music industry. I hope the music industry does die, because I know that music itself will not die so with the corrupt aspects of the industry gone, only then might music once again flourish.

Sincerely,

A former music buyer
 
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