Other Ridiculous Mail Issue

[apolloa]

Here we are in 2019, and Apple STILL refuses you to set your own default email app!
If you want to use Safari as I do, then every single tune I click on a link to raise an email. The ONLY option you have is the Apple Mail app.
I searched and searched and apart from jail breaking it is impossible to change this.
I would also claim this is anti competitive behaviour and surprised no complaint has been raised, it’s similar to the browser case against Microsoft.

I just find it really stupid they still won’t allow a simple thing like setting a mail app to open from a Safari link.

I also looked into having the Mail app but set it so it doesn’t download any mail. But from I can see you can only turn this off for ALL email apps, not selected ones, unless anyone knows different?
Again it’s locking you down forcing you into using Mail.

I don’t like Mail simply because it’s swipe options are rubbish, you cannot have just one simple swipe to delete option to the left, it always has the archive and other options on it which makes it very cumbersome to use, Outlook by comparison is smooth and fast, and with all the junk mail you get I use it all the time.

So does anyone else find it ridiculous Apple still forces this onto you in 2019? You have to have two email apps downloading the same emails just to perform a few functions!

Does anyone have any suggestions for a workaround I haven’t found? The best I’ve cone up with is to block the Mail app from sending me new mail notifications.

 

[ericwn]

I also find it strange that you cannot just replace the mail app. Have you tried to delete it? Some of the stock apps I believe can be removed but if that doesn’t do the trick it would be time for a change.

 

[Davefevs]

Here we are in 2019, and Apple STILL refuses you to set your own default email app!
If you want to use Safari as I do, then every single tune I click on a link to raise an email. The ONLY option you have is the Apple Mail app.
I searched and searched and apart from jail breaking it is impossible to change this.
I would also claim this is anti competitive behaviour and surprised no complaint has been raised, it’s similar to the browser case against Microsoft.

I just find it really stupid they still won’t allow a simple thing like setting a mail app to open from a Safari link.

I also looked into having the Mail app but set it so it doesn’t download any mail. But from I can see you can only turn this off for ALL email apps, not selected ones, unless anyone knows different?
Again it’s locking you down forcing you into using Mail.

I don’t like Mail simply because it’s swipe options are rubbish, you cannot have just one simple swipe to delete option to the left, it always has the archive and other options on it which makes it very cumbersome to use, Outlook by comparison is smooth and fast, and with all the junk mail you get I use it all the time.

So does anyone else find it ridiculous Apple still forces this onto you in 2019? You have to have two email apps downloading the same emails just to perform a few functions!

Does anyone have any suggestions for a workaround I haven’t found? The best I’ve cone up with is to block the Mail app from sending me new mail notifications.

When you click on the share icon....you can then scroll right til you see “More” with three dots. From there I can choose Outlook for example. You can then change the order of the apps that appear.

 

[apolloa]

When you click on the share icon....you can then scroll right til you see “More” with three dots. From there I can choose Outlook for example. You can then change the order of the apps that appear.

That’s not the issue, the issue is when you click an email link in a safari website it ONLY wants to open Mail up.
Sharing items is no problem.
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I also find it strange that you cannot just replace the mail app. Have you tried to delete it? Some of the stock apps I believe can be removed but if that doesn’t do the trick it would be time for a change.

No because you have to have the Mail app installed to use email links from websites in Safari.

The example I had was I want to contact my cellular provider, so you are on their website and you click the link to email them, and because it’s on iOS and Safari the only option it gives you is to open Mail up. I’ve had this a few times now.
Apple are effectively forcing you to use the Mail app.
And in these cases you can’t see the email address so you can’t copy and paste it, it’s like a hyperlink worded ‘contact support’ for instance.

 

[mrochester]

You need Android if you want to do this.

 

[pika2000]

Here we are in 2019, and Apple STILL refuses you to set your own default email app!
If you want to use Safari as I do, then every single tune I click on a link to raise an email. The ONLY option you have is the Apple Mail app.
I searched and searched and apart from jail breaking it is impossible to change this.
I would also claim this is anti competitive behaviour and surprised no complaint has been raised, it’s similar to the browser case against Microsoft.

I just find it really stupid they still won’t allow a simple thing like setting a mail app to open from a Safari link.

I also looked into having the Mail app but set it so it doesn’t download any mail. But from I can see you can only turn this off for ALL email apps, not selected ones, unless anyone knows different?
Again it’s locking you down forcing you into using Mail.

I don’t like Mail simply because it’s swipe options are rubbish, you cannot have just one simple swipe to delete option to the left, it always has the archive and other options on it which makes it very cumbersome to use, Outlook by comparison is smooth and fast, and with all the junk mail you get I use it all the time.

So does anyone else find it ridiculous Apple still forces this onto you in 2019? You have to have two email apps downloading the same emails just to perform a few functions!

Does anyone have any suggestions for a workaround I haven’t found? The best I’ve cone up with is to block the Mail app from sending me new mail notifications.

False. The mail app can be set up to delete when you swipe once on the email.

Settings, Password & Accounts, tap your email account, tap on the Account name, Advanced, on the setting for "Move discarded messages into:", pick Deleted Mailbox.

 

[apolloa]

False. The mail app can be set up to delete when you swipe once on the email.

Settings, Password & Accounts, tap your email account, tap on the Account name, Advanced, on the setting for "Move discarded messages into:", pick Deleted Mailbox.

Yes it can, but it will also ONLY give you another two options when you swipe, you cannot set it to swipe to the left with ONLY delete showing when you do it, this makes it often stutter and not delete the email as it stops when your swiping to delete.
All they would need to do is make delete the only option.

 

[eyoungren]

You need Android if you want to do this.

No you don't.

You can jailbreak. Although, even jailbroken, getting it to use a different email app is a PITA.

Why is the answer always Android when a jailbreak will do the trick?

 

[Apple_Robert]

As far as I am aware, there is no work-around for this frustration, outside of jailbreaking.

I believe there is an app for Mac for the default mail link issue but, not for ios.

As to the swiping preference etc., many of us not use the stock mail app due to the lack of customization and features that many deem important.

 

[apolloa]

No you don't.

You can jailbreak. Although, even jailbroken, getting it to use a different email app is a PITA.

Why is the answer always Android when a jailbreak will do the trick?

The real answer is for Apple to sort out Mail or allow you to set Outlook etc as the default app.

 

[mrochester]

No you don't.

You can jailbreak. Although, even jailbroken, getting it to use a different email app is a PITA.

Why is the answer always Android when a jailbreak will do the trick?

Because android is the simplest and easiest solution?

The real answer is for people to RESEARCH before they buy a product and get the one that most closely matches their needs.

 

[hovscorpion12]

From a company perspective, its easier for Apple to implement their own email client.

We also have to think about the relationship between Apple and the other companies (Google/Microsoft) If it's Apple who is being to restrictive with their APi's or if it's the 3rd party companies who don't want to share their APi's. We can change the default email account to send emails in settings, but that's about it. It's more who's to blame.

if you want to include Android into this argument, Gmail is horrible, Outlook is even worse. Missing email threads. (Come on MSFT) I use Samsung's Email client for all my accounts. Plus it has DarkMode with some enhancements not found on Gmail or Outlook.


It's the same with the browser. We are allowed to use Safari, Chrome, MSFT Edge, Firefox...etc, but the default browser is always safari.



Email on iPad OS.... now THAT is an entirely different animal.

 

[pika2000]

Yes it can, but it will also ONLY give you another two options when you swipe, you cannot set it to swipe to the left with ONLY delete showing when you do it, this makes it often stutter and not delete the email as it stops when your swiping to delete.
All they would need to do is make delete the only option.

I can swipe quickly to the left and my old 6s never stutter, the mail app will delete the email right away. One quick swipe to delete. Quite simple. I do this all the time when I check my inbox, and never have any stuttering issue.

 

[eyoungren]

The real answer is for Apple to sort out Mail or allow you to set Outlook etc as the default app.

I agree. The more Apple opens up, the less jailbreaking becomes a thing.
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Because android is the simplest and easiest solution?

The real answer is for people to RESEARCH before they buy a product and get the one that most closely matches their needs.

But what if this is the only problem they have with iOS and everything else is just fine?

I don't see switching platforms as an appropriate response because OP has one particular issue with iOS. Yet that is what you seem to be advocating.

 

[apolloa]

I can swipe quickly to the left and my old 6s never stutter, the mail app will delete the email right away. One quick swipe to delete. Quite simple. I do this all the time when I check my inbox, and never have any stuttering issue.

Well for my XR it doesn’t work nearly as well as it does it’s Outlook.

I agree. The more Apple opens up, the less jailbreaking becomes a thing.
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But what if this is the only problem they have with iOS and everything else is just fine?

I don't see switching platforms as an appropriate response because OP has one particular issue with iOS. Yet that is what you seem to be advocating.

Basically this, and I’m not going to get an Android (I’d get the smaller sized Note 10 if I did), and I don’t fancy jail breaking either for the moment.

 

[Lyn2012]

I use Mail on my XS Max, it’s the same as always, swipe left on an email and it deletes it. One swipe that’s all. Yes if you stop swiping halfway you’ll get more options, but a positive complete swipe left and the email’s gone.

 

[pika2000]

Well for my XR it doesn’t work nearly as well as it does it’s Outlook.

Tried it on my friend’s XR, and I don’t see any stuttering at all. I do this all the time on all my iDevices since the iPhone 5 and iPad mini 2, and no issues. Wonder if it’s worth a try to reset your iPhone and start over.
The only seemingly performance issue of the mail app I felt was on iOS 11, and that’s probably because the whole OS is buggy.

 

[shr631]

No you don't.

You can jailbreak. Although, even jailbroken, getting it to use a different email app is a PITA.

Why is the answer always Android when a jailbreak will do the trick?

You’re kidding right? Having to jailbreak to get something to work doesn’t fit with the “it just works” ethos does it? Once that’s out the window, and iOS has failed to deliver, it’s pretty arbitrary...why bother jailbreaking vs just going with Android? Also jailbreaking is considerably more involved than going into a store and walking out with a new device activated and set up the way you want it.

 

[eyoungren]

You’re kidding right? Having to jailbreak to get something to work doesn’t fit with the “it just works” ethos does it? Once that’s out the window, and iOS has failed to deliver, it’s pretty arbitrary...why bother jailbreaking vs just going with Android? Also jailbreaking is considerably more involved than going into a store and walking out with a new device activated and set up the way you want it.

No I am not kidding.

There is a benefit of using iOS over Android and jailbreaking allows you to keep that benefit while modifying a few things about iOS you have issues with.

Switch to Android and you lose the benefit of iOS.

As to jailbreaking being more involved…from what standpoint are you making this argument? As a former jailbreaker, a person who has never jailbroken or someone who is currently jailbroken?

I'm asking because as a current jailbreaker I don't see it as involved. A lot has changed over the years making what was true years ago no longer valid.

 

[apolloa]

Tried it on my friend’s XR, and I don’t see any stuttering at all. I do this all the time on all my iDevices since the iPhone 5 and iPad mini 2, and no issues. Wonder if it’s worth a try to reset your iPhone and start over.
The only seemingly performance issue of the mail app I felt was on iOS 11, and that’s probably because the whole OS is buggy.

It might be your hands or thumbs or both, all hands are different and I seem to struggle with mine and the default Mail app. I have no problem with Outlook though.
Still the swiping to delete doesn’t solve the website link issue.
Maybe I’ll give it a go as I really don’t want two mail apps with all my emails in, although at least we are allowed to set which ones send us notifications.

 

[shr631]

No I am not kidding.

There is a benefit of using iOS over Android and jailbreaking allows you to keep that benefit while modifying a few things about iOS you have issues with.

Switch to Android and you lose the benefit of iOS.

As to jailbreaking being more involved…from what standpoint are you making this argument? As a former jailbreaker, a person who has never jailbroken or someone who is currently jailbroken?

I'm asking because as a current jailbreaker I don't see it as involved. A lot has changed over the years making what was true years ago no longer valid.

Sure there are benefits to jailbreaking. Aside from the customization, you can still stay on iOS. I won’t get into the pros and cons of jailbreaking, security, etc. because that’s not what the thread is about nor did you bring it up.

I’m a former jailbreaker but I’m speaking from the standpoint of folks like coworkers I know who can’t be bothered. The moment something as routine as resetting their device is mentioned, they get anxious. Yes I’m conjecturing but I’ll bet most folks would much rather just get another device on a different OS to get the functionality they need rather than learning about boot ROM and the like.

My opinion is that far, far more people just don’t see that as a viable option for them.

 

[TheIntruder]

This isn't just a Mail issue. It's an iOS issue with every default app and is equally frustrating with browsers as well, for users who don't find Safari fits their needs.

Hopefully, as Apple attracts further scrutiny from regulators, it will allow users to make such choices by its own volition, not because it is forced to (a la the Windows browser ballot).

If Apple truly has aspirations to make the iPad a computer substitute, it will have to relax its grip.

Imagine if every text document or spreadsheet was forced to open in Pages or Nunbers, instead of Word or Excel. For users, that wouldn't fly on a Mac, and it won't fly on an iPad.