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Honestly, I don't even consider Apple in the picture, although they are obviously making money on it.

I simply like to treat others the way I would like to be treated, and if it were my music, I'd want people to pay for a ringtone.

If it is music you own the rights to, then it becomes more an issue of convenience -- Apple has chosen to lock their system to some extent and leverage their ipod/iPhone/iTMS platform.

This is hardly new for them.

Well it locks it a bit tighter with the iPhone. At least with my iPods in no way did I ever felt punished by Apple that I purchased CD's. I was able to import my music into iTunes and all was good.

Now with the iPhone there is a feature I am unable to use unless I purchase music from iTunes.

How many times do I have to buy some of these songs!?!?!? I even still own many of the songs on cassette, CD, and now I'm suppose to buy it again. Sigh.....
 
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How many times do I have to buy some of these songs!?!?!?

1 time for each different use sounds about right =D

Seriously though, how many contacts do you have?

20? 50? 100?

How many ringtones do you really need anyway?

I have 1 ringtone off a song that's a generic ring, and 2 I have assigned to people I care enough about to give them their own ringtone.

Everyone else gets the generic since I don't care to have a special song for them =D

I wanted that music anyway, so for the hefty price of $2.97 I have my ringtones and I am happy.

I really don't see the big deal.

If you need 100 different ringtones, maybe that's the problem, not paying for each one =D
 
1 time for each different use sounds about right =D

Seriously though, how many contacts do you have?

20? 50? 100?

How many ringtones do you really need anyway?

I have 1 ringtone off a song that's a generic ring, and 2 I have assigned to people I care enough about to give them their own ringtone.

Everyone else gets the generic since I don't care to have a special song for them =D

I wanted that music anyway, so for the hefty price of $2.97 I have my ringtones and I am happy.

I really don't see the big deal.

If you need 100 different ringtones, maybe that's the problem, not paying for each one =D

It honestly isn't a big deal. I think Apple has done a decent job with ringtones but it is a bit annoying that I have the song I want to use in my library. iTunes says it is a song that is allowed......but of course I have to buy it. Nope me buying the CD wasn't good enough :eek:

If I didn't have the song I wanted to use.....well then if I wanted to use it as a ringtone I probably would want the whole song also. So $1.98 isn't that bad in that aspect IMO.

It is just the first example that bothers me.
 
God damn you whiners need to quiet down. News flash. Apple doesn't make the law! And a ringtone is a totally separate legal entity from the song it is based. It's stupid, I know, but you can blame the RIAA for that. You need specific rights to use a song as a ringtone, which don't come with a CD or an iTunes purchase, so you have to buy the rights. It's like two bucks guys, lighten up.

IANAL, but this guy is: http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/07/know-your-rights-is-it-illegal-to-make-my-own-ringtones/

So to summarise, the RIAA went to court to successfully prove that ringtones are not "derivative works" (and thus they don't have to pay the artists ANYTHING to sell them). However, by the same logic, it is not a problem making our own ringtones etc. There is no law forbidding it, and no special "rights" we need to pay for.
 
Just install AppTapp, then install SendSong. You can use any song u already have on your ipod in your iphone. Oh yeah, it's FREE! And btw, I've been making my own ringtones in iTunes for yearrrs, and then just sending them over bluetooth to the phone. I've never understood how people pay for friggin ringtones. I'm not being cheap, but if you do enough research you can figure it out.

Or install BSD Subsystem and OpenSSH and just drag 'n drop the songs into /Library/Ringtones over SFTP.
 
I guess the question is how often do you really change your ringtone and how many do you really need. I guess many assign tones to contact list, but for myself I only use one.
 
What I don't understand is why Apple keeps chasing their tail to lock down ringtones. Fine, they want more revenue, and they probably have the record companies breathing down their necks.

But people who are willing to pay for ringtones and the convenience of creating and implementing them via iTunes (and that's quite a lot of people) will continue to pay for them, regardless of the availability of hacks and workaround apps. Some people are meticulously moral and some can't be bothered to hack. We tend to forget that the majority of iPhone users probably never even think to hack their phone, or poke around sites like Macrumors to discover workarounds. They fire up iTunes, and use its features as-is.

Conversely, people who are unwilling to pay for ringtones will continue to find ways not to.

Does Apple really think they'll convert non-paying ringtone users into paying ones via software coercion? Do they really think every soccer mom and dad will flock to iToner and makeiphoneringtone just because it exists? Most of those people have no idea how to use an audio editor, how to loop a section of a song, how to export it, etc, or have the time to do it.

If Apple spent as much time and effort on cut n' paste, Flash, MMS, etc. as they have attempting to keep ringtones locked down, we might have those functions by now.
 
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