ripping old vinyl records

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  1. numlock, Feb 16, 2011
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    numlock macrumors 68000

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    I just recently purchased the xion audio profile lp player which as a usb connector. I know its not professional level equipment.

    I have been dabbling around with it and I have it connected to cd spin doctor. When its time to save the imported audio the following options are presented

    aif/aiff
    linear pcm, 8 bit big-endian signed integer
    linear pcm, 16 bit big-endian signed integer
    linear pcm, 24 bit big-endian signed integer
    linear pcm, 32 bit big-endian signed integer


    wav
    linear pcm, 8 bit big-endian unsigned integer
    linear pcm, 16 bit big-endian signed integer
    linear pcm, 24 bit big-endian signed integer
    linear pcm, 32 bit big-endian signed integer
    linear pcm, 32 bit big-endian floating point
    linear pcm, 64 bit big-endian floating point
    u-law 2:1
    a-law 2:1

    apple mpeg4 audio
    aac
    mpeg4 high efficiency aac
    mpeg4 low delay aac
    apple lossless

    After being imported the songs will be imported to itunes and played there and on an ipod.

    so my questions are
    Is audacity better than cd spin doctor for such a simple project
    Is there a way to find out the quality of the audio that comes in on the usb cable from the vinyl player?
    What format should the source files be saved in?

    thanks in advance
     
  2. garybUK Guest

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    What frequency range will the xion usb turntable sample at? 44khz, try and go for 96khz to get a better de-clicking and de-popping result (though there's some debate about this). Vinyl has better results when recording at 24bit also.

    The file format is kind of mute, but I always record mine in WAV to keep a master copy, then convert later using DBPowerAmp tools (on windows).

    Plus Wav is supported in iTunes so you can convert using their dubious converters within iTunes itself.

    Edit: I also use Audacity as it enables you to do a lot more filters without damaging the original copy.
     
  3. ChrisA macrumors G4

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    Firt find the specs for your USB turntable. If it is only doin 44K and 16-bits there is no point saving as 24-bits and 96K. Save the data at the naticve bit depth and sample rate.

    As for format, any lossless format will do as will uncompressed WAV. Save your archive that way but you may wantothe compress to ssmall files for use with iTunes and your iPod.

    PS.

    I always wonder how they sell these USB turn tables. I would have thought that anyone who has vinyl records would already own a turn table and would simply use that connected to the audio input on the Mac.
     
  4. Dane D. macrumors 6502a

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    This should answer your question:
    Source: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Transferring_tapes_and_records_to_computer_or_CD
     
  5. ChrisA macrumors G4

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  6. Dane D. macrumors 6502a

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    They sell them because people like myself threw out our turntable years ago. Plus, the setup and ease of use. They work great, I have an Ion brand and ripped over forty albums.
     
  7. Hammie macrumors 65816

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    Another option if you do not want to go with a USB player or worry about Audio out from a receiver or AV Processor is the NAD PP3i ($199). There are a few others out there, but they are creeping into the $500+ price range. I am looking at this unit for myself so I can plug my turntable into it, use a USB cable to connect to my Mac Mini and rip the albums with the NAD software ($25 extra). It helps with tagging the songs, removing clicks and pops, and exports to various audio files including ALAC, which is what I use.
     
  8. ChrisA macrumors G4

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    Software RIAA equalization is available at no cost. There is arguments that it might be even more acurate then a real phono preamp, certainly cheaper.

    If budget is unlimited then yes, buy everything. But if you have only $199 to spend. Buy a new photo cartridge or something that really will have a huge impact on the sound.

    The way to ask this question is "given the gear I already own and my budget what new gear will give the best sound?" the answer is different for everyone. For most people the best use of funds is to spend monay as "close to the vinyl" as yuo can. Start with leaning equipment to remove dirt. That has biggest payoff, then look at in this order stylus, cartridge turntable and then the audio interface into the computer. It's is a one-way signal flow later stages can not un-do hard cause by early stages, so work from the vinyl then follow the signal down stream investing in upgrades i nthat order

    So that preamp might be worth it if the gear upstream is up to the task or a total waste of money if the turn table and cartridge as junk. It all depends
     
  9. Brooke5 macrumors newbie

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    Hi,..
    Things made for vinyl don't sound right digital, similarly things made for digital sound stupid on vinyl (though many artists still sell vinyls in this way). At least this has been my experience.

    regards,..
     
  10. numlock thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Thanks. How exactly do I find the specs for the turntable? Is there something on the computer that can tell me it?

    I did call ion up and they recommend 44k and 16bit so I guess thats the specs.


    Well I do own an old pioneer turntable but I saw this one day on woot and just decided to get it. Ive questioned my purchase a few times since then but I at least want to try it out.
     
  11. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    what does that mean? if i play a record over my system, and then digitize it and play it over that system, why won't it sound the same? or is that not what you meant?
     
  12. RaceTripper macrumors 68030

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    I'm about to embark on this process myself. I have about 3500 LPs (roughly 1/3 Jazz, 2/3 classical). I've been using a 20+ yr. old Linn Sondek LP12 with an Arcam Alpha 10 integrated amp and Linn Sara speakers, but the LP12 needs repair, so I'm going to trade it to someone who wants it for tweaking in return for a new Rega P3-24.

    I think I will get the NAD PP 3i phono-to-USB preamp for ripping select LPs to digital. This is something I've never done. It comes with AlpineSoft’s VinylStudio Lite ripping software, so I'll see how that'll works out.
     

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