Most of the fuzziness is comparative to the retinized images on the same display. There are some artifacts left from pixel remapping, but they're not insanely high.
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Most of the fuzziness is comparative to the retinized images on the same display. There are some artifacts left from pixel remapping, but they're not insanely high.
terraphantm
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Some people just have really bad eyes I guess. My mom cannot tell the difference between her iPad 2 and my iPad 3. I even put a text heavy page from one of my textbooks on both screens, and she still couldn't tell the difference.
And yet whenever she goes to the opthamologist, they claim her vision is fine
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calaverasgrande
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That was my experience, though not sure what's up with the OP as there is a difference. Maybe it's my better then avg 20/15 vision, but I was really expecting to be blown away from all the hype around it, then what I finally used it and played with the settings it was nice but didn't blow me away. There was a difference just not as big as I was expecting vs my 15" high res antiglare. The 3GS - 4/4S is a massive difference and that's what I thought it would be like, but I guess that doesn't translate as well to laptop screens as your dealing with more real estate? It seemed only a "tad" better then my 15", but when you look at the dpi difference etc you'd think it'd be night and day? Don't get me wrong, it's still very nice, just was expecting a big difference over my 15, but vs my 13 there was more of a difference. It does handle glare better then the 13", but not near the antiglare screen of my 15"
If they make a antiglare version of the rMBP in the future that would be flat out awesome.
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Gregintosh
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There's a difference but the screen quality is pretty damn good on the other computers too. The difference, therefore, isn't as earth shattering as some believe. It's not like Macbook Airs and non Retina Pro's are re-heated in the microwave dollar menu burgers and rMBP is filet mignon.
I have the new iPad and the rMBP and in both cases I was underwhelmed. However, after using nothing but retina displays for a couple of weeks and then switching to an old display the difference became clear. Though I bet if I used an older display for a while my eyes would get used to that again.
I guess everyone experiences retina differently though.
I have the new iPad and the rMBP and in both cases I was underwhelmed. However, after using nothing but retina displays for a couple of weeks and then switching to an old display the difference became clear. Though I bet if I used an older display for a while my eyes would get used to that again.
I guess everyone experiences retina differently though.
Bad comparison for me.
I compared the two iPads against a Samsung Galaxy Tab2 7.0 and I bought the Samsung.
Was the iPad3 screen better? Yes, no question. I spent a half hour comparing them, but there was no WOW factor there.
Now this Best Buy had no Macbooks, just cheap Windows laptops up to $800 that I saw. The difference between those screens and the three tabs was definitely a "wow!".
As in how could anyone buy something with a washed out blurry screen. Maybe that's why tabs have taken off. For $249 - probably $199 now - you can buy a screen that destroys any of those generic laptops in true "NIGHT and DAY" fashion.
I noticed the difference immediately it was really quite amazing the first time I saw it, but I get your point. Many friends of mine said the same things, until they used it for more than a few minutes at the local store. You have to use it in real world scenarios, maybe a friend of yours who has one and you can borrow it for a day maybe. You won't even want to go back to lower quality displays. For me it was like when I went to SSDs. Not a single HDD in my life. Ever. Again.
Just a wee bit of RMBP-induced hyperbole which is rampant on this forum...
To the OP: if you do wind up needing glasses for computer work talk to your optician about setting them up for your typical eye-to-screen distance. Typical reading glasses are intended for reading printed text which is usually much closer than a computer display.
FWIW, for years I have needed glasses for darkroom and computer work but I still don't need them for reading books, etc.
terraphantm
macrumors 68040
The biggest difference is for text. For pictures and videos... I would say the difference is less pronounced unless you're doing a side-by-side comparison. My iPad has been invaluable for textbooks
For the rmbp... I intend to run it at 2880x1800 and increase font/icon sizes as necessary. I just want the huge workspace in that small package
jacg
macrumors 6502a
Not trolling, but the distance you mentioned is just one thing, so it's hard to imagine the difference you had in mind. Perhaps you could include the moon in your analogy?
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How usable are things like inspectors and the needle-in-a-moving-haystack Office Ribbon at 2880 x 1800? I can see myself turning time machine on and off no problem but lots of things are already pretty small.
gentlefury
macrumors 68030
Umm, it does that by default. Unless you install a resolution shifter you will always be running at 2880x1800 with scaled UI, including text.
themumu
macrumors 6502a
It is most definitely your eyesight if you cannot tell that difference. Aside from lame things like computer displays, you are probably missing out on a lot of details in all the other things around you. Get your eyes checked by an optometrist, you will thank yourself once you see the world as it really should be seen.
I personally was gazing at the world around me in complete awe for several days after having my eyes checked and proper corrective lenses fitted - and mine is a mild myopia of less than 2 dioptre.
I personally was gazing at the world around me in complete awe for several days after having my eyes checked and proper corrective lenses fitted - and mine is a mild myopia of less than 2 dioptre.
You'd literally have to be the most undiscerning of people to be unable to tell a large difference between cMBP and rMBP.
Furthermore, I'm surprised by some of your comments that you didnt think the ipad2->ipad3 was a large difference. It's MASSIVE! Everytime I pick up my ipad3 I'm in awe about how awesome the screen is.
Actually it brings up a good point, WHY does Apple use horrible low-res background images on their retina display products in stores????
Furthermore, I'm surprised by some of your comments that you didnt think the ipad2->ipad3 was a large difference. It's MASSIVE! Everytime I pick up my ipad3 I'm in awe about how awesome the screen is.
Actually it brings up a good point, WHY does Apple use horrible low-res background images on their retina display products in stores????
I guess so,in every sense macbook pro retina is a dream computer (base).When I opened youtube and then opened the song I found myself dancing in the chair,vivid colours and audio.And I was listening "Falling Slowly" from the musical Once and It was like I was once again at the broadway show.And when the battery get quite low I quite understood how bright It really is
)There's a massive difference. I need to buy a 13" Air but after seeing the rMBP I just can't pull the trigger. Even though the form factor is better for me with the Air, the rMBP completely redefined my expectations.
It's like night and day between the rMBP and any other Apple notebook display.
It's like night and day between the rMBP and any other Apple notebook display.
vpro
macrumors 65816
experiment conducted with rmbp
I am near-sighted, my two cousins are far-sighted, so we drop by a few apple stores to check out the fuss about retina display side by side with other machines on the long table, well, turns out they (far sighted folk) didn't see the difference either while I noticed right away the difference but not by much at all.
So my other question is:
If the image you are looking at isn't a good image to begin with, in terms of dpi, what difference does it make if surfing on the web full of low dpi and pixelly images anyways for the most part. The world of graphics and text has to improve for the retina display ???
I am near-sighted, my two cousins are far-sighted, so we drop by a few apple stores to check out the fuss about retina display side by side with other machines on the long table, well, turns out they (far sighted folk) didn't see the difference either while I noticed right away the difference but not by much at all.
So my other question is:
If the image you are looking at isn't a good image to begin with, in terms of dpi, what difference does it make if surfing on the web full of low dpi and pixelly images anyways for the most part. The world of graphics and text has to improve for the retina display ???
arctic
macrumors 6502a
To the OP, I hope the store is close to you so you can check this again because we might have had the same experiences. The day I first saw the rMBP at the store, it was next to the cMBP. I was like, why the f cant I notice much difference. I opened the iPhoto on both and compared 2 identical pics. I opened the same sites at the same time. A genius was also yapping away about optimized and non-optimized crap. Then it hit me, I'm sure this was the genius' fault . I went into Settings > Displays and freakin saw that it was scaled and not native. When I chose Best For Retina, BAM! The diference is night and day just by looking at the dock icons on the get go. So don't feel bad. Visit the store again.
To those that replied that the difference is not night and day, I'm sorry but I beg to differ because to me, it is VERY noticable. And I don't even have good eyesight. But I do wish the display is not as dim as it is though.
. I went into Settings > Displays and freakin saw that it was scaled and not native. When I chose Best For Retina, BAM! The diference is night and day just by looking at the dock icons on the get go. So don't feel bad. Visit the store again. To those that replied that the difference is not night and day, I'm sorry but I beg to differ because to me, it is VERY noticable. And I don't even have good eyesight. But I do wish the display is not as dim as it is though.