rMBP being held back due to ML?

[pandamonia]

the fact that apple promissed something they didn't keep, if they said they would start shipping in august, people would get them within 2 days by shipping, or instantly through in-store purchase. Right now, people are getting mad at Apple for the fact that they have to wait this long even though they we're promised the famous "shipping today".

or say "start shipping in august, pre-order now!"

yes a few lucky people have gotten the new retina pro, good for them.

it's a good suggestion for Apple in the future, i'm not saying thís "stunt" damaged Apple, but it's certainly something a company like Apple shouldn't be doing.

You are very naive.

Apple clearly underestimated the pent up demand for a £2000 Retina Pro. Not to mention look how many countries they launched in.

People who buy a £2000 laptop generally have more maturity than kids who cant get their new toy on Christmas day. They understand that its a hot product right now and get their orders in ASAP.

This is just how it works. Im glad they launched because all the reviews are out and i know today that ill be getting one soon.

 

[OatmealRocks]

You are very naive.

This a thousand times. Just whine but does not look at the totality of the issue while offering no substance or a possible solution other than to complain. As if monkeys are working at Apple and "they" the armchair president can solve ALL problems for ALL people. One poster whine about lack of inventory and yet he didn't even buy a rMBP or plan to. What the heck!?

My personal favorite so far is the poster who said "Magsafe 2 on rMBP is a huge FAIL", like seriously? Before Apple offered this value feature did you even look at the plug on your laptop? Did you even care?

 

[pandamonia]

This a thousand times. Just whine but does not look at the totality of the issue while offering no substance or a possible solution other than to complain. As if monkeys are working at Apple and "they" the armchair president can solve ALL problems for ALL people. One poster whine about lack of inventory and yet he didn't even buy a rMBP or plan to. What the heck!?

My personal favorite so far is the poster who said "Magsafe 2 on rMBP is a huge FAIL", like seriously? Before Apple offered this value feature did you even look at the plug on your laptop? Did you even care?

i have been arguing with a guy on another thread about the price of the rMBP v the MBP and when i finally proved the rMBP was better value he told me had a 17" and wasnt even interested in the rMPB or MBP!!!

I wish some people would just bugger off

 

[OatmealRocks]

i have been arguing with a guy on another thread about the price of the rMBP v the MBP and when i finally proved the rMBP was better value he told me had a 17" and wasnt even interested in the rMPB or MBP!!!

I wish some people would just bugger off

Dude I am arguing with a bunch of people now on the I have "4 pixels (dead)" thread which they found using a magnifying glass.

 

[pandamonia]

Dude I am arguing with a bunch of people now on the I have "4 pixels (dead)" thread which they found using a magnifying glass.

4 pixels in 4 million is pretty good going.

If those were people you would have more murderers out of 4 million than dead pixels.

 

[daleski75]

Lol I read that thread shaking my head at the same time thinking why oh why!

 

[theSeb]

Just a thought, maybe the rMBP is experiencing long delivery times due to the impending release of ML. If you think about it, apple is probably producing two different retail versions of the rMBP at this moment in time one with Lion installed and the other with Mountain Lion ready for the release of ML. Therefore this in theory could affect the amount of rMBP being produced for sale today. I know they offer a free upgrade to ML once released but surely there must be some kind of overlap? we might see shipping times slashed when ML is released.

Mine was delivered yesterday. Your line of logic does not compute.

 

[OatmealRocks]

4 pixels in 4 million is pretty good going.

If those were people you would have more murderers out of 4 million than dead pixels.

4/5,180,000 or 99.999xx% my argument is fine if you notice it, it bugs you replace it but if you are using a magnify glass and you are looking for an issue than you are a fool. It is not previous generation LCD which you can notice. The question becomes did they do this prior on all their computers? I wonder if these people now are counting the speaker holes on the rMBP making sure they are both the same or some other weird crap. Like dude just use the computer stop examining it, isn't that why you bought it or are you Anandtech?

 

[pandamonia]

4/5,180,000 or 99.999xx% my argument is fine if you notice it, it bugs you replace it but if you are using a magnify glass and you are looking for an issue than you are a fool. It is not previous generation LCD which you can notice. The question becomes did they do this prior on all their computers? I wonder if these people now are counting the speaker holes on the rMBP making sure they are both the same or some other weird crap. Like dude just use the computer stop examining it, isn't that why you bought it or are you Anandtech?

My MBP is going back next week for a new screen/lid since i have a 3 inch black line of dead pixels 3 pixels wide in the top left corner.

It took me 2 years to notice!

 

[daleski75]

Back on topic I heard apple are delaying the rMBP due to the Olympics starting soon and someone lost the torch and until this is found there will be a 3 to 4 week lead time.

 

[OatmealRocks]

Back on topic I heard apple are delaying the rMBP due to the Olympics starting soon and someone lost the torch and until this is found there will be a 3 to 4 week lead time.

There is truth to this if you apply OP's logic. Also please be aware Apple is delaying the word delay but delay is not delayed if you use delay, also ML is in line to be used on all new products for the next year and the free upgrade is a huge fail because obvious delay is no better than free upgrade when it is available because that is better than delay mmkayy? and I am eating oatmeal right now which is a contributing factor to what I just said.

 

[daleski75]

I had to look up the word delay as I got confused between that and on-time but your post cleared it all up for me.

 

[elpek]

Back on topic I heard apple are delaying the rMBP due to the Olympics starting soon and someone lost the torch and until this is found there will be a 3 to 4 week lead time.

Good one! It is definitely horrible to wait for a computer for over 4 weeks nowadays (I'm in such position) ... but I can understand that delays are most probably caused by limited supply of custom screens for RMBP. The question is if todays production volume is the highest they can achieve for now?

 

[stevelam]

Been using it daily since June 18th. What's extremely questionable are the reports of its problems under Lion. An rMBP under Lion still beats the pants off anything else under Lion.

so you're saying anandtechs review is extremely questionable? i'd take his word over someone trying to justify their purchase any day.

 

[OatmealRocks]

Good one! It is definitely horrible to wait for a computer for over 4 weeks nowadays (I'm in such position) ... but I can understand that delays are most probably caused by limited supply of custom screens for RMBP. The question is if todays production volume is the highest they can achieve for now?

Hmm if this was a control chart obviously there would be a spike for the first 3 weeks of instantiation. The question would become are we now expecting our spike data point to be our accepted mean? Probably not. That would be a huge fail in logistics and production and the person who would consider this would be fired.

 

[NewbieCanada]

so you're saying anandtechs review is extremely questionable? i'd take his word over someone trying to justify their purchase any day.

What I'm saying is that the issues aren't of nearly the importance some nay-sayers (not Anand himself, incidentally) are ascribing to them.

Let's not forget his conclusion - like you seem to be trying to:

It’s because all of this that I’m doing something I’ve never done before in an Apple review. We rarely give out Editor’s Choice awards at AnandTech, and I’m quite possibly the stingiest purveyor of them. I feel that being overly generous with awards diminishes their value. In this case, all of the effort Apple has put into bringing a Retina Display to the MacBook Pro is deserving of one.

I’m giving the MacBook Pro with Retina Display our bronze Editor’s Choice award. Making it the first Mac to ever receive one. It would have been a silver had the software story been even stronger (iWork, Mountain Lion, Office and Photoshop being ready at launch would have been a feat worth rewarding). And it would have been a gold had Apple been able to deliver all of that but without sacrificing end-user upgradability. Which brings me to my final point.

 

[stevelam]

What I'm saying is that the issues aren't of nearly the importance some nay-sayers (not Anand himself, incidentally) are ascribing to them.

Let's not forget his conclusion - like you seem to be trying to:

and lets not forget this:

Whereas I would consider the rMBP experience under Lion to be borderline unacceptable, everything is significantly better under Mountain Lion. Don’t expect buttery smoothness across the board, you’re still asking a lot of the CPU and GPU, but it’s a lot better.

 

[wethackrey]

i think it definitely has to do with ML release, seeing as Lion performance on the RMBP is extremely questionable.

I should point out that I'm seeing zero issues so far under Lion. Other than being unable to obtain a Lion installer with the proper build anywhere if you need to do a reinstall without Internet access. But the OS itself seems to be rock solid on the MBPr. It is blazingly fast on the SSD version I have. A year ago I had a built-to-order 17" MBP with a 512GB SSD and that was also wicked fast. When that one was stolen and I had to replace it over a weekend, I couldn't get a solid state drive so I've been "suffering" with a standard hard drive until now. The SSD is expensive as hell but it really makes a huge difference in both speed and battery life.

But I digress. I have an external drive with a new developer build of ML and the MBPr runs well with it. Not as fast, since it's coming off of a standard HD. But it doesn't seem any more stable than Lion.

Again, the notion that Apple is somehow sitting on production waiting for the new OS is just silly.

 

[wethackrey]

My personal favorite so far is the poster who said "Magsafe 2 on rMBP is a huge FAIL", like seriously? Before Apple offered this value feature did you even look at the plug on your laptop? Did you even care?

Hey - __I__ care. I'm a huge fan of MagSafe. I've personally had the power connector of my pre-MagSafe laptop torn off the logicboard when my girlfriend tripped over the power cable. I loved the original MagSafe, even though the cable often frayed at the top of the strain relief. I REALLY loved the right angle MagSafe since it eliminated that problem and seems to get accidentally unplugged less often.

The new MagSafe2 is more like the original, but they've improved the power cable insulation so it doesn't seem as likely to fray. It does disconnect more easily than the right angle version. Some have said that's a good thing. I disagree. If they can figure out a way to do a right angle version of the MagSafe 2 I think it would be a perfect power connector. As it is, the MagSafe2 is anything but a "huge fail". I think it's terrific!

By the way... the $10 MagSafe2 adapter on a right-angle MagSafe connector makes for an interesting setup. It isn't quite as low profile as it would be if they built an actual right-angle MagSafe2, but it does seem less likely to get accidentally disconnected than the standard MagSafe2.

 

[PVisitors]

Apple never said "Ships today" they said "available today".

Was the product available today on the June 11th? Yes it was. You could go and place an order.

Was the product in store the next day? In some cases, yes it was. Albeit a very very tiny number.

So where have Apple failed to deliver on their 'promise'? They haven't. They never explicitly said that the MBPR will be shipping today. And indeed when you purchase the MBPR on the online store it is quite clear that you will be waiting 3-4 weeks.

What is it with the ridiculous self entitlement of some people? One way or another, you will have your Retina Macbook.

 

[daleski75]

Apple never said "Ships today" they said "available today".

Was the product available today on the June 11th? Yes it was. You could go and place an order.

Was the product in store the next day? In some cases, yes it was. Albeit a very very tiny number.

So where have Apple failed to deliver on their 'promise'? They haven't. They never explicitly said that the MBPR will be shipping today. And indeed when you purchase the MBPR on the online store it is quite clear that you will be waiting 3-4 weeks.

What is it with the ridiculous self entitlement of some people? One way or another, you will have your Retina Macbook.

Completely agree with you.

 

[2499723]

As others have said, there's no chance Apple is restricting delivery of orders, because they're waiting for ML. In fact, I would wager that many of the computers that arrive in the first couple weeks after ML is released will have Lion installed on them, simply because they came off the factory floor before ML could be pre-installed.

I actually have a question regarding all of this. When we upgrade to ML, will our recovery partition be upgraded as well? Or if anything goes wrong with our rMBPs, will we be stuck recovering to Lion and then have to reinstall ML?