Thank you. Very interesting. And saddening as well since the 13" MBP's use the "U" variant(I think) and it doesn't even support DDR4![]()
I fully expect Apple to use DDR4 in the 15" Skylake MBP. Apple have repeatedly demonstrated that they are willing to use different technology in the 13" versus 15" laptops, depending on what is available at the time.I think DDR4 is only going to be available in the desktop or quad core laptop versions of Skylark. (sic) So I wouldn't bet on Apple using DDR4 in any machine when DDR3 is readily available and can be bought in bulk. They'd only be able to use DDR4 in the 15" MBPs, so I can't see them doing that when every other laptop will be using DDR3 still.
Thank you. Very interesting. And saddening as well since the 13" MBP's use the "U" variant(I think) and it doesn't even support DDR4![]()
The reason for my reply is that the Skylake architecture is a huge jump. DDR4 and wireless charging to name a few. These are two major changes.
I think DDR4 is only going to be available in the desktop or quad core laptop versions of Skylark. So I wouldn't bet on Apple using DDR4 in any machine when DDR3 is readily available and can be bought in bulk. They'd only be able to use DDR4 in the 15" MBPs, so I can't see them doing that when every other laptop will be using DDR3 still.
I fully expect Apple to use DDR4 in the 15" Skylake MBP. Apple have repeatedly demonstrated that they are willing to use different technology in the 13" versus 15" laptops, depending on what is available at the time.
Honestly, DDR4 isn't really a big jump over DDR3, it will barely be a performance boost; the speeds are pretty similar between the two.
16GB is, right now, still considered a lot. You don't really need 32GB unless you're dealing with multiple VMs or something like rendering, where a lot of assets go into memory. For almost all other applications, 16 should be fine.I would like to grab 32gb support for my next upgrade.
I couldn't agree more with this statement. I challenge people all the time, and show me you actually using 8GB, let alone close to 16GB; they dont come close. I do run several VM (CentOS) along with JBoss running and the IDE. I can break 8GB but not 16GB. I feel vendors are taking advantage of folks pumping 16GB+ in computers.16GB is, right now, still considered a lot. You don't really need 32GB unless you're dealing with multiple VMs or something like rendering, where a lot of assets go into memory. For almost all other applications, 16 should be fine.
16GB is, right now, still considered a lot. You don't really need 32GB unless you're dealing with multiple VMs or something like rendering, where a lot of assets go into memory. For almost all other applications, 16 should be fine.
OK, my cue now to drop a question. Yes I could wait for Skylake (but until when?). I want to upgrade from i5 rMBP 2013 to i7 rMBP 2015. When would the Skylake upgrade be going to happen?
I would love to trade in my 13" and my 2012 iMac (that I never use because it is upstairs) to a more workable laptop (screen real estate) on which I am also able to do some occasional gaming (like GTA V).
Skylake-H is not coming for another 2-3 months. It is unlikely Apple will refresh again this year for rMBP. We probably won't see another refresh until next summer.
You probably won't see any big jump in performance from the CPU but might from the improved Iris Pro. However, if you're getting rMBP with the Radeon GPU, that won't matter much.
It's the same thing as everything else, you'll be waiting for something new every year and if you can afford it now, get it if you will find more useful purposes with the new laptop than you can get now.
7-zip (the POSIX-compatible version p7zip) uses up to 10.5 GB RAM, if you choose ultra compression settings and a LZMA dictionary size of 1024 MBytes. 4 GB for the OS and 4 GB for a VM and you use 18.5 GB RAM....I challenge people all the time, and show me you actually using 8GB, let alone close to 16GB; they dont come close...
And you're using 7zip all the time? At 100% usage for the entire time? Your computer can page the (up to) 2.5GB of RAM for the insanely short time you'd be using 7zip to compress/decompress. Just because your computer can spike up to 18.5GB of RAM does not mean you are constantly maxing out the 16GB of RAM in it. I can easily hit 32GB of RAM on my work box if I wanted to, but that doesn't mean that 32GB is not enough for me. I would have no use for an extra 32GB.7-zip (the POSIX-compatible version p7zip) uses up to 10.5 GB RAM, if you choose ultra compression settings and a LZMA dictionary size of 1024 MBytes. 4 GB for the OS and 4 GB for a VM and you use 18.5 GB RAM.
Agreed.It is not likely wireless charging would be a good fit for another few years. The 100W USB Type C is a much better fit.
The Skylake-U parts that will go into the 13" MBP will not support DDR4, but the Skylake-H parts that will go into the 15" MBP do support DDR4. However, DDR4 is not such a big deal as to be a reason to wait for Skylake. If one needs a new MBP, now is a good time to buy.DDR4 is not likely to come with Skylake mobile chips, it is only available for the desktop lineups.
There aren't any confirmed reports that the mobile Skylake will have DDR4 support.
I am in the same situation, I would like to replace the MacBook Pro late 2009 and the iMac late 2009, to a new highest spec MacBook Pro, but then buy a 5K apple display (if they will make it!) to use with 15inch, as I understand it this upgrade does not support a 5K display, or am I wrong?.Skylake-H is not coming for another 2-3 months. It is unlikely Apple will refresh again this year for rMBP. We probably won't see another refresh until next summer.
You probably won't see any big jump in performance from the CPU but might from the improved Iris Pro. However, if you're getting rMBP with the Radeon GPU, that won't matter much.
It's the same thing as everything else, you'll be waiting for something new every year and if you can afford it now, get it if you will find more useful purposes with the new laptop than you can get now.
I am in the same situation, I would like to replace the MacBook Pro late 2009 and the iMac late 2009, to a new highest spec MacBook Pro, but then buy a 5K apple display (if they will make it!) to use with 15inch, as I understand it this upgrade does not support a 5K display, or am I wrong?.
I couldn't agree more with this statement. I challenge people all the time, and show me you actually using 8GB, let alone close to 16GB; they dont come close. I do run several VM (CentOS) along with JBoss running and the IDE. I can break 8GB but not 16GB. I feel vendors are taking advantage of folks pumping 16GB+ in computers.
Yeah, I think you are right, just hope that it will not be a long wait.
The same leak also suggested that Thunderbolt 3 would be paired with Skylake, Intel's next chip after Broadwell, but we can confirm that isn't the case: Thunderbolt 3 would theoretically work with Broadwell. Intel hasn't given an official release date for Thunderbolt 3, but it has told us that it will probably launch alongside Skylake. Updated: We asked Apple about its involvement with Thunderbolt 3, and PR responded with, "we do not talk about things that may lie ahead." (It wouldn't be surprising if the first outing of Thunderbolt 3 is with a Skylake-powered MacBook Pro in late 2015.)