rmbp non upgradable

[SMDBill]

@vpro, I've done a lot of computer upgrades over many years, but I have never found anyone who actually "upgrades" their laptop other than new HDD or more RAM, bigger battery, etc. General user-replaceable stuff, but I have yet to find someone who routinely upgrades laptop video capabilities. I'm sure it happens, but it sure isn't something worth screaming about not being able to do. Most laptop buyers buy what they need at the time of purchase with future needs factored in. If I felt its video capability may not meet my needs, I'd buy a different machine or configure differently at time of purchase/order.

Seems silly to bash Apple for not allowing or enabling a video card upgrade in the future.

 

[GSPice]

Wow, did you come up with that all on your own, or did your mommy help you .

If you don't have anything to contribute then please gtfo, I asked a real question

Hey buddy, the moderators actually do a good job around here. Your response was unwarranted.

 

[mcarling]

As stated before, everybody has his own truth based on her/his lived experience, beliefs, and culture. You can't force people to agree with your truth...

That's nonsense. People have different beliefs and opinions, based on differences in culture, experience, etc., but truth is universal. Something is either true or not true.

Its (sic) a real problem for me at least, its (sic) a heavy investment in a machine and I wish I could upgrade a few parts in the future. I dislike how more and more machines are heading down this road.

I understand they did it to get the form factory (sic) and all.

Apple are a consumer electronics company. Consumer electronics are, generally, not user upgradeable. Integrated DRAM makes a device smaller, lighter, cheaper, more reliable, and (in the future) potentially faster. Get used to it.

DDR4 signals are designed to still support connections via DIMMs and SO-DIMMs, but it was a controversial design constraint. JEDEC are planning DDR5 to work only with direct connections (i.e. no more DIMMs or SO-DIMMs) in order to reduce latency and increase bandwidth. So you've probably got five to eight years left in which computer companies will even have the option of offering user replaceable DRAM. Most will probably follow Apple's lead, some sooner, some later, to smaller, lighter, cheaper, and more reliable.

 

[vpro]

just love me a 17" MBP so blame me!

what is this big kerfuffle about "universal truth" this is a rumors forum to discuss personal opinions and share entertaining dialogue no matter how "fringe", i am not calling you out to being ultra conservative and homely... i'm always in love over and over again for the 17"MBP.

 

[FluJunkie]

Its mostly for the screen, I don't to go back a set since I currently have a 1080p screen. I don't really want a 17" screen either. If I could get a 1080p screen on the cMBP 15" that would be ideal.

I think I will wait for the next rmbp update and get it through the student store, either that or a refurb.

This. The screen on the rMBP is a game changer.

 

[theromz]

Apple are a consumer electronics company. Consumer electronics are, generally, not user upgradeable. Integrated DRAM makes a device smaller, lighter, cheaper, more reliable, and (in the future) potentially faster. Get used to it.

But generally laptops let you replace ram and hdd, its something that isn't to difficult and it usually the first thing most people would look at/be told to do. I understand your points and it all makes sense, but these machines are 'pro' machines its not meant for the mass market, it just happens to appeal to it. As a 'pro' machine I would like to upgrade at least a few things. I know this is not going to be viable option in the future and that kind sucks.

This. The screen on the rMBP is a game changer.

Very much so, it is an amazing display all round. super sharp, near perfect colours, I can get 1900x1200 so I have more then enough space to play with. I wouldn't get any other laptop from the apple line up. The Air is very tempting but I'm used to better displays.

 

[thekev]

Headlamps might be a better example. HIDs are definitely not intended to be replaced like halogens, and they're quite more expensive up front, but I've never needed to replace them.

That works too . I just hate poor analogies, and his was ridiculously off base.

 

[mcarling]

I just hate poor analogies, and his was ridiculously off base.

I hate it when people don't understand the difference between an analogy and a parody.

 

[UBS28]

Honestly, I've never needed or wanted to upgrade. If you bite the bullet now, you'll thank yourself later, with not necessarily feeling the need to upgrade, and the resale value will help if/when you sell the mbp in a few years.

And by buying "more" computer than you feel you need now, who knows - if you amortize the cost of the device over the length of ownership, you may own it longer than if you upgraded memory, etc. along the way - and that could quickly pay for itself.

If you buy the RAM and SSD's from Apple, they are more expensive and you get only 1 year warranty.

If you buy off the shelf RAM and SSD's (like Samsung) for example, you get 5 years to life time warranty and it's cheaper also.

There is no reason to buy all your upgrade needs from Apple besides making Apple more rich.

 

[thekev]

I hate it when people don't understand the difference between an analogy and a parody.

I blame you for poor presentation sir! This forum is littered with senseless car analogies. I've also pointed out that if the maximum amount with 2 sodimms is offered at realistic pricing, it's not that big of a deal. With a rmbp, you spend about an extra $100 to get to 16GB, and 32 wouldn't happen on a current cmbp.

 

[leman]

Upgradeable RAM is going away in any case. DDR4 is supposed to be cheaper then DDR3, and abandoning the slotted RAM system helps to reduce the dimensions and increase reliability/performance, so I would expect most vendors just slap enough RAM modules on the mainboard itself in the future. In this regard, I just don't see how irreplaceable RAM on the rMBP is even a concern. The base 8Gb will be enough for the vast majority of users for 3 years at least, and the ones that need more RAM can just pay the extra to get the 16GB up front - its not like upgradeable RAM would enable you to get more than that anyway.

Storage is a bigger issue. I understand why Apple wouldn't use SATA (SATA drives are just too big, no questions here), but they could have at least used the mSATA standard...

 

[GSPice]

If you buy the RAM and SSD's from Apple, they are more expensive and you get only 1 year warranty.

If you buy off the shelf RAM and SSD's (like Samsung) for example, you get 5 years to life time warranty and it's cheaper also.

There is no reason to buy all your upgrade needs from Apple besides making Apple more rich.

Well I guess this conversation's done then. I need to go make Apple more rich.