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an-other

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I've been using Toast forever. Upgraded each year, too. The last two years went to their "Premier version." I have not updated from 15 to 16. Why? I'm not seeing the point. Each year I've become increasingly disenchanted. Yes, Toast works well (and I need the EyeTv integration.) The biggest update was multi-cd burning (one cd to multiple targets.) Since then, nothing of note. The other apps are hit/miss. More often miss.

My biggest "wish' is for Toast to be much faster. I think there's gains to be had using all processing cores, however I'm only commenting based on how I see my processors being used. I have no technical foundation to make such claims.

Roxio keeps sending me "offers" to upgrade. I gather they're seeing a loss in upgrades.

Now, macsales has the regular edition for $29. I'm tempted, however I'm still not at the tipping point.

Does anyone have any experience why they did/did not upgrade? Happy with their decision?
 

Muttznuttz

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I'm with you on that. I also have 15 'premier' version with Blu-Ray plugin. Quite frankly, I never use it as it's a pain and slow. Prefer to use Burn for DVD's and CD's. The Blu-Ray burning option has been handy a few times. Not worth the money and I'm happy to stay on 15 until it one day decides not to work with whatever new version of MacOS that comes out.
I'd like to know if there are any free Blu-Ray applications out there. I haven't really looked.
 

MSastre

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I usually wait several years between updating Toast and do not see any "must haves" for me going from 15 to 16. I've got both Toast 15 and Toast 10 on my cMP 5,1 and find that Toast 10 is quicker and easier for many things I do in Toast.
 

Ifti

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I purchased Roxio Toast around 5 years or so ago for use with my main editing laptop - I haven't ever used it even once.
Needless to say, I haven't bothered upgrading it, and since its 32bit I'll probably end up getting rid of it completely when I buy my new computer later this year.
Everything I use is either via external drive or downloadable - I cant remember the last time I needed to burn anything to disc......
 

weckart

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I still use Toast 5 a lot as it has the best support for Classic Mac OS. As for High Sierra, unless you need to master DVDs for commercial reasons I am not sure I see the point. The last version I bought was 12 but never installed as even 11 still works with High Sierra.
I still keep partitions with older OSX releases such as Mavericks and Lion for compatibility reasons with certain applications, so even when OSX 14 drops 32bit support, I don't really care.
 
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MSastre

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I still use Toast 5 a lot as it has the best support for Classic Mac OS. As for High Sierra, unless you need to master DVDs for commercial reasons I am not sure I see the point. The last version I bought was 12 but never installed as even 11 still works with High Sierra.
I still keep partitions with older OSX releases such as Mavericks and Lion for compatibility reasons with certain applications, so even when OSX 14 drops 32bit support, I don't really care.

I still make a few DVDs and definitely "roll my own" CDs for travel mixes when driving. I also keep clones of older OSs to be future proofed on older apps I still use.
 

Tech198

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Toast is still ok for the "all-i-one solution" of apps. but sometimes you prefer to install only the stuff u need.

I turned from Toast along time ago, The last version i purchased was Toast 10.x and upgraded to 11. That was it for me. Mainly turned away because encoding/or rather re-ending was majorly slow no matter the settings set.

I'm still, to this day, trying to wonder what sort of encoding technique Roxio uses as to why its this slow, where others are much better, particularly on Windows.

The only DVD's i make no-days are for my parents, but that's like one DVD or so a (year) ... I converted everything to Mac Mini and use Home sharing to Apple TV
 

an-other

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The new version is compatible. They note it in the e-mail solicitations. I'm getting discounted offers to upgrade now.

I'm still on 15. Trying to hold out as long as possible. I really don't burn as much as I used to, and DVD standard definition is a compromise on HD TV sets. USB and (now) SSD portable drives seem a better option for a lot of what i do.

I also used to have spools of CD-Rs. I think I'm down to maybe ten blank ones now.

The key thing Toast gives me that other software doesn't is burning output to a multiple disc unit.
 

MacBH928

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The new version is compatible. They note it in the e-mail solicitations. I'm getting discounted offers to upgrade now.

I'm still on 15. Trying to hold out as long as possible. I really don't burn as much as I used to, and DVD standard definition is a compromise on HD TV sets. USB and (now) SSD portable drives seem a better option for a lot of what i do.

I also used to have spools of CD-Rs. I think I'm down to maybe ten blank ones now.

The key thing Toast gives me that other software doesn't is burning output to a multiple disc unit.

Is there even a competitor software to Toast for burning DVDs?
Cd burning software is very rare now days, its ironic since I remember they were all the rage.

People looking down on optical media, but to me its one of the best ways to store data:
1-Its Off the cloud so its unhackable/not shared.. account credentials can't be lost
2-No viruses or data corruption or HD malfunction hits optical media
3-It doesn't have capacitors, battery, or other electronics that fail or need repair
4-If they drop they won't break!
5-Burned CDs from 20 years ago still running just fine today! You can't say that about most HDDs. Heck, whole computers form 2000 are pretty much dead or malfunctioned.

I think people should revive optical media especially with the amazing 100GB Blurays!
 
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an-other

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Is there even a competitor software to Toast for burning DVDs?
Cd burning software is very rare now days, its ironic since I remember they were all the rage.

People looking down on optical media, but to me its one of the best ways to store data:
1-Its Off the cloud so its unhackable/not shared.. account credentials can't be lost
2-No viruses or data corruption or HD malfunction hits optical media
3-It doesn't have capacitors, battery, or other electronics that fail or need repair
4-If they drop they won't break!
5-Burned CDs from 20 years ago still running just fine today! You can't say that about most HDDs. Heck, whole computers form 2000 are pretty much dead or malfunctioned.

I think people should revive optical media especially with the amazing 100GB Blurays!

I agree with everything you've written. It's just not my use case. You could also add significantly better audio quality." I still buy an occasional CD. First thing I do upon opening is load it to iTunes, transfer to all the portable devices (I can remember to!) and burn a CDR for car listening.

Most of what I do is to grab video and output to either my iPad or USB drives for viewing. The TiVo app solves some of it. USB drives are painfully slow to copy multi GB files. The new Samsung ssd portable drives are awesome for that.

I'm sure some of it for me is Apple never embraced Bluray drives. This, and the fact USB drive capacity got so large/cheap. There was also the stack of used DVDr's I'd never watch again.

I have a server for archiving stuff. I've found it to be overkill these days as HD capacity is also amazingly cheap. I probably have more HDD's unplugged and stacked than I do connected now. A lot of what I treasured can be easily accessed now, too. The exception being my music library. A bluray back-up would be perfect for it. I occasionally consider offsite commercial back-up, too. I just don't like losing control of things.

The ultimate test is when something fails. Then you learn how good your plan was.

The only other commercial burning software I've used was Claris Discribe. It was the only multi burner software available at the time. I'm sure plenty of other people can provide freeware recommendations. I'm just too paranoid to load something that can be traced to a known corporation. Yes, it's a false sense of security. It kinda sorta works for me. I emphasize the available freeware could be massively better than something like Toast.
 

MacBH928

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I agree with everything you've written. It's just not my use case. You could also add significantly better audio quality." I still buy an occasional CD. First thing I do upon opening is load it to iTunes, transfer to all the portable devices (I can remember to!) and burn a CDR for car listening.

Most of what I do is to grab video and output to either my iPad or USB drives for viewing. The TiVo app solves some of it. USB drives are painfully slow to copy multi GB files. The new Samsung ssd portable drives are awesome for that.

I'm sure some of it for me is Apple never embraced Bluray drives. This, and the fact USB drive capacity got so large/cheap. There was also the stack of used DVDr's I'd never watch again.

I have a server for archiving stuff. I've found it to be overkill these days as HD capacity is also amazingly cheap. I probably have more HDD's unplugged and stacked than I do connected now. A lot of what I treasured can be easily accessed now, too. The exception being my music library. A bluray back-up would be perfect for it. I occasionally consider offsite commercial back-up, too. I just don't like losing control of things.

The ultimate test is when something fails. Then you learn how good your plan was.

The only other commercial burning software I've used was Claris Discribe. It was the only multi burner software available at the time. I'm sure plenty of other people can provide freeware recommendations. I'm just too paranoid to load something that can be traced to a known corporation. Yes, it's a false sense of security. It kinda sorta works for me. I emphasize the available freeware could be massively better than something like Toast.

Most of the freeware/open source stuff have not been updated in ions, freeware thrive on community and there isn't much of community for burning optical media.
 
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