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Rumoured Graphics Card in New MPB

lloyd709 said:
Engadet is reporting that they have heard that the new MBP will use the Nvida GT 650M card. Looking at a couple of comparisons online, this card seems to be less powerful than the current AMD 6770M. Have I missed something?

This would be a bummer if true!!
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I thought it was the 670m?

EDIT: Sorry, I thought I read the lower-end 6xx cards were rebranded Fermi cards.

Of course, only Apple knows for sure what GPU they are using.

-P
 
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What the ball sack? If that's true then I'm not buying. I was hoping for an AMD 7770 at least.
 
lloyd709 said:
Engadet is reporting that they have heard that the new MBP will use the Nvida GT 650M card.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/14/macbook-pro-and-imac-ivy-bridge/

Looking at a couple of comparisons online, this card seems to be less powerful than the current AMD 6770M. Have I missed something?

This would be a bummer if true!!
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The sky is falling again! Seriously though--

I don't know what comparisons you're looking at...
The 650m is benchmarking at 50% faster than the 6770m in some tests.
It's not a night and day difference, but it is an improvement.


http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.71887.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6770M.43955.0.html
 
1) The NVIDIA GT 650M is a far more powerful card than the 6770M; it is slightly faster than the NVIDIA GTX 560M, a high-end gaming GPU from 2011, and is slightly slower than the AMD 7850M. It would probably also bring 2GB+ of vRAM.

2) It is a 28nm, Kepler based GPU.

3) A NVIDIA GTX 660M would be ideal. Some of the 6XX series cards aren't Kepler 28, and are rather 45nm. It's actually the fastest mobile Kepler GPU at this time.
 
Nvidia 660m or AMD 7770m Please.

Anything below those would be unacceptable for the price range!
 
You mean a base 15"? If Apple does the same thing they've done for most MBP generations, the base 15" will be a lower end GPU.
 
Xcallibur said:
Yes, the base 15", if so, what would be expected to be in the base 15"?
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If i had to guess, I'd say something similar to the 6750m they're using now.
Tends to be how they do it. This year's low end is roughly equal to or slightly less than last year's high end.
 
This is possibly the worst news I've heard so far. I haven't minded just about anything else but I was expecting with at least the AMD 7790 or 7770... I don't think I could abide by the 650M, which is only slightly faster than the current generation of discrete graphics cards... From what I'm hearing this is not the greatest news in the world.

Maybe I'll switch to iMac if they offer something better? I don't know how much I need that level of "thinness" for the price tag unless they can accommodate a new generation graphics card.
 
mikeo007 said:
If i had to guess, I'd say something similar to the 6750m they're using now.
Tends to be how they do it. This year's low end is roughly equal to or slightly less than last year's high end.
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Arhh right, that sounds quite boring then.

Rilely said:
This is possibly the worst news I've heard so far. I haven't minded just about anything else but I was expecting with at least the AMD 7790 or 7770... I don't think I could abide by the 650M, which is only slightly faster than the current generation of discrete graphics cards... From what I'm hearing this is not the greatest news in the world.

Maybe I'll switch to iMac if they offer something better? I don't know how much I need that level of "thinness" for the price tag unless they can accommodate a new generation graphics card.
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Have you actually looked at the statistics of the 650M compared to the currently used HD 6770M? I've looked and found an increase in performance of around 30% to 50% on average.
 
Well it said 650M on the report, but maybe they were testing the low-end 15? Maybe the 660M or a 650M with more video memory will be in the high end 15 and 17?
 
The 650m is perfectly fine for the MBP. It's a true Kepler GPU, not a rebranded 5XX series GPU like the 670M and 675M GPUs.

Unfortunately the 650M has a TDP of 45W (according to wikipedia). This is actually more than the MBP can handle, I think the 640M is more likely at this point, but they might also down clock the 650M.
 
3DMark Vantage:

Radeon HD 6750M: 4,545
Radeon HD 6770M: 4,899
GeForce GT650M: 7,753

3DMark 06:

Radeon HD 6750M: 8,843
Radeon HD 6770M: 10,234
GeForce GT650M: 13,218

3DMark 05:

Radeon HD 6750M: 15,010
Radeon HD 6770M: 15,484
GeForce GT650M: 19,909

PCMark Vantage Gaming:

Radeon HD 6750M: 6,240
Radeon HD 6770M: 8,571
GeForce GT650M: 15,872

Battlefield 3 (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 20 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 22 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 32 FPS

Crysis 2 (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 37 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 40 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 61 FPS

Call of Duty : Black Ops (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 53 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 54 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 96 FPS

Starcraft 2 (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 33 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 46 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 64 FPS

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 25 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 30 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 42 FPS

If I was able to Google all this, you should too.
 
pgiguere1 said:
3DMark Vantage:

Radeon HD 6750M: 4,545
Radeon HD 6770M: 4,899
GeForce GT650M: 7,753

3DMark 06:

Radeon HD 6750M: 8,843
Radeon HD 6770M: 10,234
GeForce GT650M: 13,218

3DMark 05:

Radeon HD 6750M: 15,010
Radeon HD 6770M: 15,484
GeForce GT650M: 19,909

PCMark Vantage Gaming:

Radeon HD 6750M: 6,240
Radeon HD 6770M: 8,571
GeForce GT650M: 15,872

Battlefield 3 (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 20 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 22 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 32 FPS

Crysis 2 (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 37 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 40 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 61 FPS

Call of Duty : Black Ops (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 53 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 54 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 96 FPS

Starcraft 2 (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 33 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 46 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 64 FPS

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 25 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 30 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 42 FPS

If I was able to Google all this, you should too.
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Lol, I posted all this I'm the 4th post of the thread and people ignore it. They'd rather complain than research.
 
mikeo007 said:
Lol, I posted all this I'm the 4th post of the thread and people ignore it. They'd rather complain than research.
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But... I thought we were all ramping up for the 7XXX series? Isn't the 6770 and 6790 the cards that are in the latest generation? Yes.

Honestly, you all are completely missing the point of having a more major upgrade in the graphics department. No one wants last generations graphics card that is a "30%" improvement. For those of us who are expecting this computer to last us a bit longer, you'd think we could see something more substantial and with AMD releasing their latest technology, Apple should be taking advantage of it, or something up to par with it.

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pgiguere1 said:
3DMark Vantage:

Radeon HD 6750M: 4,545
Radeon HD 6770M: 4,899
GeForce GT650M: 7,753

3DMark 06:

Radeon HD 6750M: 8,843
Radeon HD 6770M: 10,234
GeForce GT650M: 13,218

3DMark 05:

Radeon HD 6750M: 15,010
Radeon HD 6770M: 15,484
GeForce GT650M: 19,909

PCMark Vantage Gaming:

Radeon HD 6750M: 6,240
Radeon HD 6770M: 8,571
GeForce GT650M: 15,872

Battlefield 3 (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 20 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 22 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 32 FPS

Crysis 2 (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 37 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 40 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 61 FPS

Call of Duty : Black Ops (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 53 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 54 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 96 FPS

Starcraft 2 (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 33 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 46 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 64 FPS

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (High):

Radeon HD 6750M: 25 FPS
Radeon HD 6770M: 30 FPS
GeForce GT650M: 42 FPS

If I was able to Google all this, you should too.
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Great. I think I'll Google a comparison against this generations newest mobile cards rather than last year's...
 
Rilely said:
But... I thought we were all ramping up for the 7XXX series? Isn't the 6770 and 6790 the cards that are in the latest generation? Yes.

Honestly, you all are completely missing the point of having a more major upgrade in the graphics department. No one wants last generations graphics card that is a "30%" improvement. For those of us who are expecting this computer to last us a bit longer, you'd think we could see something more substantial and with AMD releasing their latest technology, Apple should be taking advantage of it, or something up to par with it.

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Great. I think I'll Google a comparison against this generations newest mobile cards rather than last year's...
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Er...the 650m is less than 2 months old. The comparison is showing that (as expected) it's significantly faster than last generation's options.
 
Rilely said:
But... I thought we were all ramping up for the 7XXX series? Isn't the 6770 and 6790 the cards that are in the latest generation? Yes.

Honestly, you all are completely missing the point of having a more major upgrade in the graphics department. No one wants last generations graphics card that is a "30%" improvement. For those of us who are expecting this computer to last us a bit longer, you'd think we could see something more substantial and with AMD releasing their latest technology, Apple should be taking advantage of it, or something up to par with it.
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30% is a lot. Nvidias new Kepler CPU has killed most of the AMD competition in benchmarks. The 650 is brand new! This GPU would seem like a good choice.

I think you missed the point.
 
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