Running a 2nd Work iPhone

[RossMak]

Hi Everyone

Long time iPhone user here, and have always been stuck with not only a Blackberry for work but the bottom of the line cheapest Blackberry, however this gave up the ghost and I recently got a Nokia Lumia 640 which in all honesty isn't that bad.

However I found out today that we will be supplied with an iPhone 6S (no options, I am not complaining this is rather amazing for my work) However I was wondering how people who already have an iPhone run these phones.

Do you use the same Apple iD? Or do you set up an ID with your work email and put this under the family sharing umbrella.

 

[johnan2112]

New Apple ID using work email address + family sharing is probably the best thing. Most companies monitor usage so you probably don't want them to see what your Apple ID is up to.

 

[BentTable123]

Use a separate id with either work or new email address. Some companies will even prevent you from installing apps and will install key loggers. I basically use my work iphone for email and business calls only and don't install any apps.

 

[BeeGood]

New Apple ID using work email address + family sharing is probably the best thing. Most companies monitor usage so you probably don't want them to see what your Apple ID is up to.

This.

And man, I don't miss having to haul two phones around.

 

[Chatter]

The posters above all make solid points. I would suggest you ask the tech team what "limitations" if any they will be putting on the phone. Now, they may never tell you about a keylogger (for ex), but they may hint with something like "just only do work stuff on it". This may give you a vague idea as to what they may be monitoring. Its not a perfect "trick" by any means.

 

[RossMak]

The posters above all make solid points. I would suggest you ask the tech team what "limitations" if any they will be putting on the phone. Now, they may never tell you about a keylogger (for ex), but they may hint with something like "just only do work stuff on it". This may give you a vague idea as to what they may be monitoring. Its not a perfect "trick" by any means.

Thanks for the advice guys. I'm gonna create a separate ID

Although the phone has arrived straight from supplier factory sealed I don't think the tech team will be putting anything on it as they are not on site I will be setting it up myself.

 

[Farsider]

I have a work and personal iPhone and I use the same Apple ID on each.

Both your work number and personal number will become registered to your Apple ID. This means iMessages, FaceTime, Text Messages and Phone calls will by default appear on both phones (for the latter two, the phones have to be in range of each other).

This means that for most circumstances, you can get away with just monitoring 1 phone.

Whether this is a pro or a con is down to personal opinion. For me the pros outweigh the cons. I get all my Apps, Apple Music subscription, all my iTunes content, Contacts, Calendars, email, WiFi networks and other settings all seemlessly synced between phones transparently. I like things that just work. I know I can pick up any iPhone and everything I need is right there ready to go.

That said, I can appreciate someone wanting to keep work/personal life separate and/or the desire to hide stuff from an employer. Personally I have nothing to hide

 

[DougFNJ]

I have never wanted to carry two phones around and so far I have been pretty lucky. I worked for a company that had given me an iPhone 4S that was slooooooow. So I kept it plugged in at home, initiated text and call forwarding, and activated all emails and accounts on my personal phone. The only thing which I didn't mind either way was when I made an outgoing call, my personal cell phone showed up on caller ID.

 

[RossMak]

I have never wanted to carry two phones around and so far I have been pretty lucky. I worked for a company that had given me an iPhone 4S that was slooooooow. So I kept it plugged in at home, initiated text and call forwarding, and activated all emails and accounts on my personal phone. The only thing which I didn't mind either way was when I made an outgoing call, my personal cell phone showed up on caller ID.

I considered this but I don't want my own phone number out there and I often dial into conference calls on my work phone which could work out costly. So I have to walk about with the 2 phones unfortunately

 

[mkflyfish]

OK, I too am entering the world of 2 iPhones, one for work, and one for personal.

I don’t think there is any tracking software etc., as it is still wrapped in the box. Additionally, on the iPad they gave me, I was told to just use my personal apple id, and I did a complete wipe and restore of it from one of my backups.

In regards to the 2nd iPhone, the only reasons that I can think of to carry it is for the outgoing number caller id, and also for the data plan, other than that, there’s no way I’m carrying around 2 phones, I only have so many pockets.

The other issue of carrying 2 phones is which one would I sync my watch to.

My plan is to leave the work phone charging in the car, with tethering on, with everything forward to personal. Outgoing calls, maybe I will just block caller id.

As a side note, the IT department won’t let either phone, or the iPad be connected to the internal Wi-Fi, or remote in.

The whole thing seems like a waste of time and money. Am I missing some reason that having a 2nd iPhone is good for business?

 

[timeconsumer]

Use a separate id with either work or new email address. Some companies will even prevent you from installing apps and will install key loggers. I basically use my work iphone for email and business calls only and don't install any apps.

I agree with the majority of this post, definitely use a separate Apple ID, but I do have a question.

They install key loggers? Can you elaborate more on this as I wasn't aware of any apps that could do this. I used to work with MDM's and never had this option. If this is the case and a company gives me an iPhone, I would just hand it back to them and say no thanks.

 

[Newtons Apple]

I agree with the majority of this post, definitely use a separate Apple ID, but I do have a question.

They install key loggers? Can you elaborate more on this as I wasn't aware of any apps that could do this. I used to work with MDM's and never had this option. If this is the case and a company gives me an iPhone, I would just hand it back to them and say no thanks.

Some companies do not give you a choice as to if you want it or not. If one of my employees refused to use his work phone for company business I would no longer employ them.

 

[timeconsumer]

Some companies do not give you a choice as to if you want it or not. If one of my employees refused to use his work phone for company business I would no longer employ them.

Yeah good point. Fortunately the companies I've worked for have provided several options and not forced me to carry around multiple phones. But I'm really quite interested about these key loggers because that would imply something has access to the keyboard at all times regardless of what app you're in. I suppose if the company installed a third party keyboard this could be done but I don't understand how else. Plus I would assume I could change the keyboard back to default.

 

[Newtons Apple]

Yeah good point. Fortunately the companies I've worked for have provided several options and not forced me to carry around multiple phones. But I'm really quite interested about these key loggers because that would imply something has access to the keyboard at all times regardless of what app you're in. I suppose if the company installed a third party keyboard this could be done but I don't understand how else. Plus I would assume I could change the keyboard back to default.

I believe key loggers can be hidden when you phone is controlled by your company's IT department. There might also be other ways. We do not use them but do require our people to the company phone for business. They can use it for personal business also if they wish with no problem or carry a second phone.

 

[timeconsumer]

I believe key loggers can be hidden when you phone is controlled by your company's IT department. There might also be other ways. We do not use them but do require our people to the company phone for business. They can use it for personal business also if they wish with no problem or carry a second phone.

When I worked in IT and managed iOS devices through an MDM solution this was not possible, even if it was we would have never done that. But this was about 2-3 years ago and not recently. So I'm just curious if Apple has added more functionality in which can be monitored/reported/logged by installing profiles on the devices. I hope this isn't the case because then any website could potentially install a profile on your iOS device and have full access to everything you type. I still don't believe this is possible outside of perhaps a jailbreak or a third party keyboard, but I doubt Apple would approve that in the App Store.

That said, if setup properly I would assume it would be difficult to tell if a device is jailbroken or not. So based on my experience my guess is to install a key logger the device would have to be jail broken.

I'm not against a company phone I should add, but I'm not interested in somebody key logging everything I type and since it was brought up I'm interested in how companies are doing this in the event I am given a company phone in the future. Maybe things I can check for on the phone itself to determine if one is installed. Because if I'm told I am allowed to use it for both business and personal, I would definitely be hesitant now after reading this thread.

 

[RossMak]

OK, I too am entering the world of 2 iPhones, one for work, and one for personal.

I don’t think there is any tracking software etc., as it is still wrapped in the box. Additionally, on the iPad they gave me, I was told to just use my personal apple id, and I did a complete wipe and restore of it from one of my backups.

In regards to the 2nd iPhone, the only reasons that I can think of to carry it is for the outgoing number caller id, and also for the data plan, other than that, there’s no way I’m carrying around 2 phones, I only have so many pockets.

The other issue of carrying 2 phones is which one would I sync my watch to.

My plan is to leave the work phone charging in the car, with tethering on, with everything forward to personal. Outgoing calls, maybe I will just block caller id.

As a side note, the IT department won’t let either phone, or the iPad be connected to the internal Wi-Fi, or remote in.

The whole thing seems like a waste of time and money. Am I missing some reason that having a 2nd iPhone is good for business?

Your IT department sound like mine....why would they not let you connect your work iPhone or ipad to the network?

Thankfully my work is changing over the next few weeks.

The iPhone can't be used until 1st April due to when we are officially taken over. It's sitting in my work locker waiting for me. Taunting me.
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When I worked in IT and managed iOS devices through an MDM solution this was not possible, even if it was we would have never done that. But this was about 2-3 years ago and not recently. So I'm just curious if Apple has added more functionality in which can be monitored/reported/logged by installing profiles on the devices. I hope this isn't the case because then any website could potentially install a profile on your iOS device and have full access to everything you type. I still don't believe this is possible outside of perhaps a jailbreak or a third party keyboard, but I doubt Apple would approve that in the App Store.

That said, if setup properly I would assume it would be difficult to tell if a device is jailbroken or not. So based on my experience my guess is to install a key logger the device would have to be jail broken.

I'm not against a company phone I should add, but I'm not interested in somebody key logging everything I type and since it was brought up I'm interested in how companies are doing this in the event I am given a company phone in the future. Maybe things I can check for on the phone itself to determine if one is installed. Because if I'm told I am allowed to use it for both business and personal, I would definitely be hesitant now after reading this thread.

I don't think my phone will have anything installed on it. Mine came straight from Vodafone and is in a sealed box and we have no local IT on site to install anything.