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Interesting point, that is, the possibility that MS would halt development of Office for the Mac were Apple to produce an edition of Mac OS X Leopard to run natively on the PC.

I doubt that MS would do that, but if it did, we would manage just fine. I'd continue using my existing version of MS Office for the Mac, which, I might add, hasn't been supported very well by MS, most noticeable in the case of the Mac version of Powerpoint, which has long been handicapped.

With the Mac's increasing share of the market, we'll hopefully see other players offer productivity suites for the Mac, able to read and write in existing MS formats as well as various open doc formats that will certainly be gaining a foothold.

Apple, too, could fill the vacuum that Zadillo worries about. It could, as I write, be developing a cross platform capable and comparable office suite of it's own. I believe a day is coming when Apple Universal will mount on PC's and PC software will mount on the Mac. So, MS Office is still likely to be there for Mac users, too.

There is much to be said for the growth of convergence and interoperability of the Mac, PC and other platforms. Apple seeded that possibility when it moved to Intel. If it brings to bear its continuing vision and excellence in design, production, marketing and service, we will long continue to see the Apple mark on increasing numbers of products and screens well into the future and future worlds beyond.

FredG

Yeah. For what it's worth, I think it's completely hypothetical anyway (I just don't see Apple ever becoming a company that develops an OS for other PC hardware, as opposed to a company that develops the combined hardware/software package).

But MS ultimately is about money. As it is, they make a fairly nice chunk of change selling Office for OS X anyway. If Apple did actually make OS X available for any PC, MS might be hard pressed to ignore that market. It would be a bit different than Linux I think, which so far MS has declined to make a version of Office for.

Practically speaking it might not make so much of a difference, but perception wise it would still be a major blow.
 
LOL

First off, Apple hardware is really PC hardware. It was Apple who moves ever closer and closer to the PC. I find it funny that an OS(Mac OS) based on an open source operating system, isn't freely available for other systems. The only thing that prevents OS X from operating on a PC is a chip called the TPM. Think of it, kind of like the DVD region chip.

As far as the virtualization, it is for the most part legal. After all, if it wasn't then Macs couldn't run Windows in an emulator.

I can build a better PC than what Mac offers on their website for a lot cheaper. It would be nice to be able just to buy the OS and do everything yourself.
 
LOL

First off, Apple hardware is really PC hardware. It was Apple who moves ever closer and closer to the PC. I find it funny that an OS(Mac OS) based on an open source operating system, isn't freely available for other systems. The only thing that prevents OS X from operating on a PC is a chip called the TPM. Think of it, kind of like the DVD region chip.

As far as the virtualization, it is for the most part legal. After all, if it wasn't then Macs couldn't run Windows in an emulator.

I can build a better PC than what Mac offers on their website for a lot cheaper. It would be nice to be able just to buy the OS and do everything yourself.

Why do you find it funny that commercial software built on an open source BSD kernel is not made freely available? The idea that using the BSD kernel obligates Apple to give their work away for free is silly.

As for virtualization, no-one said virtualization itself was illegal. But a company can decide what software can and can't be run via virtualization. In case you missed it, MS has specifically decided to NOT allow Vista Basic and Vista Home Premium to run in virtualization, requiring someone to buy Vista Business or Vista Ultimate. So even MS gets to decide which versions of their OS you can virtualize.

Just for grins and giggles; please tell me how you would build a machine yourself equivalent to the Mac Pro for "a lot cheaper" (I'm counting the internal specs, which are all pretty high end, and the chassis itself). You don't even have to explain how you'd build a "better" PC (i.e. even better/faster components, a better chassis, etc.). I'd be satisfied to hear how you'd build an equivalent Mac Pro-like machine for much cheaper than what Apple sells theirs for. Good luck with that.

-Zadillo
 
Is there actually any way of running an OS X virtual machine ontop of OS X on a real mac? Without any sort of hack or modification?

Thought not.
 
Apple shouldn't license it like Windows. They should license it to one particular company. Such as Dell, HP, Velocity Micro (which would probably be the best).

To what end though? There's nothing that Dell, HP or Velocity Micro that Apple couldn't do if they wanted to.

I think the idea here would presumably be that they would make cheaper computers that Apple won't make, or other configs (i.e. the long-wished for cheaper midtower for people who don't need a Mac Pro)....... but I think that implies that Apple doesn't make them because they don't have the ability to, and I think it's more a business decision on their part.

I don't think there'd be any real benefit to Apple to have even one or two licensees competing with them.
 
The first time i properly tried out OS X was on my PC....

I downloaded a cracked version of 10.4.6 and bought a Pentium D 2.6ghz specifically to run OS X.

Now i have an iMac, seems to me, using OS X on a PC isn't 100% a bad thing...
 
The first time i properly tried out OS X was on my PC....

I downloaded a cracked version of 10.4.6 and bought a Pentium D 2.6ghz specifically to run OS X.

Now i have an iMac, seems to me, using OS X on a PC isn't 100% a bad thing...

No, granted, an argument can certainly be made that some percentage of people who pirate OS X and install it later turn into Mac buyers.

The problem is that this is seemingly outweighed by a larger majority of people who never actually buy a Mac (or even a copy of OS X, for that matter), and just run it for free on PC hardware.

Granted, this probably isn't having a huge impact overall on Mac sales, and perhaps the long term effect (in terms of people using and learning OS X) will outweigh the negatives, but even so.

-Zadillo
 
Not to be rude, but you know, I really find it laughable that people here actually think supporting PC hardware is this nightmare scenario for Apple, or that it would be prohibitively expensive to do, thus giving some degree of business-case legitimacy to not selling Mac OS X to anyone.

First off, can you say "Linux"? Linux is a free OS, and yet there is an incredible verisimilitude of drivers in it supporting a fantastic range of hardware. And with a relative handful of exceptions, you don't see this wide-ranging driver support introducing significant stability issues into the platform. And typically those stability issues largely center around multimedia-specific components, particularly 3D mode graphics card support. And of particular irony is that the stability issues are introduced by closed-source drivers from the hardware manufacturers. However, there's already not much for us Mac OS X users to worry about since the hardware manufacturers have already written PPC and x86 drivers for Mac OS X, and they seem to be just fine.

Secondly, your better hardware makers generally write what are called "unified" drivers which support a range of hardware, and especially if Apple is paying them, naturally they'll give us drivers for Mac OS X.

Thirdly, and getting back to Linux for a moment, the overwhelming majority of drivers for Linux are written by the FSF/OSS communities anyhow, so inclusion of them into Mac OS X shouldn't really be much of an issue in a legal sense.

A lot of you either don't know or have forgotten that we largely got rid of Apple-centric, Apple-specific hardware when we switched over to the PREP (PowerPC Reference Platform) standard with the introduction of PowerPC-based Macs in 1994. Ever since, Apple's been streamlining the actual internals of the computers to greater and greater extents (such as with the CHRP -- Common Hardware Reference Platform), NewWorldROM Macs, and now with the switch to the x86 platform, a Mac seems to be little more than a custom-spec'd, firmware-flashed set of PC hardware in an Apple-engineered enclosure.

So, frankly, what's the big deal? The real question we should be asking is what is actually going on here? What's affecting the business case for keeping Mac OS X hardware-limited?

Apple initially introduced iPods with little more than cobbled-together software to make them work on a Mac. They then made a version of iTunes for Mac. And yet, even though Mac owners (clearly) were buying iPods, it wasn't until non-Mac-using computer owners started buying them that the iPod craze began. In fact (and this is a tribute to the tenacity of PC users to use an iPod "no matter what") that it was only through third-party hacks that you could even use an iPod on something other than a Mac.

And as much as it may well irk us Mac-dyed-in-the-wool, drank-the-kool-aid folks, we have Windows users to thank for the success of the iPod. Some might, at the thought of this, think they smell something fishy. Well, believe as you will about that, but clearly PC users are the ones who have driven sales of the iPod, not Mac users.

And then Apple starts to actively and publicly take advantage of the "halo effect". And then Steve Jobs comes out and calls Apple a software company. Yes, I know Apple's still making hardware (and for a number of reasons I hope they continue to do so) but are you not able to draw a line from A to B to C on this one, folks?

There are physically more non-Mac users out there, period. It's a fact of life. Therefore, even if Mac OS X only caught on with a relative minority of PC users, it would still generate far more revenue than if Apple only sold Mac OS X to Mac users.

An earlier poster said that Apple's (theoretical) sale of Mac OS X to anyone would not affect the average person buying a Mac, because the average computer user isn't an enthusiast. They buy a solution. Arguably, those with taste will buy an elegant Apple-engineered computer, as will those who want the status of owning a "Macintosh", but there's an absurd number of people out there who, for reasons practical, technical, or otherwise would never *think* of touching Apple hardware, even though they might drool over the proposition of running Mac OS X on their own hardware. Why in the world should Apple ignore those people?

It's time Apple admits the truth and changes their business case to fit the facts, instead of trying to do the reverse.
 
Not to be rude, but you know, I really find it laughable that people here actually think supporting PC hardware is this nightmare scenario for Apple, or that it would be prohibitively expensive to do, thus giving some degree of business-case legitimacy to not selling Mac OS X to anyone.

First off, can you say "Linux"? Linux is a free OS, and yet there is an incredible verisimilitude of drivers in it supporting a fantastic range of hardware. And with a relative handful of exceptions, you don't see this wide-ranging driver support introducing significant stability issues into the platform. And typically those stability issues largely center around multimedia-specific components, particularly 3D mode graphics card support. And of particular irony is that the stability issues are introduced by closed-source drivers from the hardware manufacturers. However, there's already not much for us Mac OS X users to worry about since the hardware manufacturers have already written PPC and x86 drivers for Mac OS X, and they seem to be just fine.

Secondly, your better hardware makers generally write what are called "unified" drivers which support a range of hardware, and especially if Apple is paying them, naturally they'll give us drivers for Mac OS X.

Thirdly, and getting back to Linux for a moment, the overwhelming majority of drivers for Linux are written by the FSF/OSS communities anyhow, so inclusion of them into Mac OS X shouldn't really be much of an issue in a legal sense.

A lot of you either don't know or have forgotten that we largely got rid of Apple-centric, Apple-specific hardware when we switched over to the PREP (PowerPC Reference Platform) standard with the introduction of PowerPC-based Macs in 1994. Ever since, Apple's been streamlining the actual internals of the computers to greater and greater extents (such as with the CHRP -- Common Hardware Reference Platform), NewWorldROM Macs, and now with the switch to the x86 platform, a Mac seems to be little more than a custom-spec'd, firmware-flashed set of PC hardware in an Apple-engineered enclosure.

So, frankly, what's the big deal? The real question we should be asking is what is actually going on here? What's affecting the business case for keeping Mac OS X hardware-limited?

Apple initially introduced iPods with little more than cobbled-together software to make them work on a Mac. They then made a version of iTunes for Mac. And yet, even though Mac owners (clearly) were buying iPods, it wasn't until non-Mac-using computer owners started buying them that the iPod craze began. In fact (and this is a tribute to the tenacity of PC users to use an iPod "no matter what") that it was only through third-party hacks that you could even use an iPod on something other than a Mac.

And as much as it may well irk us Mac-dyed-in-the-wool, drank-the-kool-aid folks, we have Windows users to thank for the success of the iPod. Some might, at the thought of this, think they smell something fishy. Well, believe as you will about that, but clearly PC users are the ones who have driven sales of the iPod, not Mac users.

And then Apple starts to actively and publicly take advantage of the "halo effect". And then Steve Jobs comes out and calls Apple a software company. Yes, I know Apple's still making hardware (and for a number of reasons I hope they continue to do so) but are you not able to draw a line from A to B to C on this one, folks?

There are physically more non-Mac users out there, period. It's a fact of life. Therefore, even if Mac OS X only caught on with a relative minority of PC users, it would still generate far more revenue than if Apple only sold Mac OS X to Mac users.

An earlier poster said that Apple's (theoretical) sale of Mac OS X to anyone would not affect the average person buying a Mac, because the average computer user isn't an enthusiast. They buy a solution. Arguably, those with taste will buy an elegant Apple-engineered computer, as will those who want the status of owning a "Macintosh", but there's an absurd number of people out there who, for reasons practical, technical, or otherwise would never *think* of touching Apple hardware, even though they might drool over the proposition of running Mac OS X on their own hardware. Why in the world should Apple ignore those people?

It's time Apple admits the truth and changes their business case to fit the facts, instead of trying to do the reverse.

First, your timing is wrong. iTunes came before the iPod. It was originally SoundJam, and also originally released as a Mac OS 9 only app (although the OS X version came soon after). iTunes came out at Macworld in January 2001, and the iPod came out in October 2001. There was never a time when Mac users had to use anything besides iTunes. I think you might have it confused with the original availability of iPods for PC's, which had to use MusicMatch Jukebox originally, before iTunes for Windows came out.

Regarding your general point; the fundamental point you are ignoring is that Apple IS still a hardware company. They make a lot of their profit selling entire systems.

You seem to be arguing that if Apple sold Mac OS X box copies alone, they would somehow make more revenue, even to a small fraction of PC users, than they do selling entire Macs right now.

Can you back that up though? Seriously, have you done the math to support your argument? How many Mac OS X licenses would Apple need to sell each year to make up for the loss in Mac sales?

Exactly which hardware would they support? You mentioned Linux, but it's not like Apple can just use a bunch of Linux drivers and be done with it.

When someone wants to buy a copy of OS X and install it on the $399 eMachines PC they bought at Best Buy, what will happen? Can Apple provide the same experience with it? Can they be sure of the experience people will get with that hardware?

Seriously, there are a lot of issues involved with this, both from a technical perspective and a business perspective.

The business perspective though is the big kicker, and the part you really glossed over. You simply asserted that Apple would generate much more revenue selling OS X licenses than they do right now, but I don't see any evidence to back up your assertion.

Of course there's a hybrid model, where they continue making and selling Macs, and also selling OS X, but there's still a lot of unknowns with this model too.

But I think you are making it sound way too simple, like Apple could just start selling boxed copies of OS X, and they'd sell a ton of copies, and it would all go smoothly from a business perspective and a technical perspective, and I am not so sure that can be backed up.

-Zadillo
 
Zadillo:

Perhaps, but then again changing one's perceptions is never without some degree of pain.

Consider...

Apple, under their current business plan, sells hardware because they have to. Now, it's true that they may simultaneously want to, but that's irrelevant because, from their business plan, in order to sell you Mac OS X (which they want), they have to sell you a computer that it can run on.

I'm going to make some numbers up. Now, they're liable to be not super accurate, but I still feel they illustrate a genuine point.

Let's say that it costs Apple $50 million dollars to produce a "whole decimal" release of Mac OS X. So 10.0 cost $50 million, 10.1 was $50 million, and so forth.

Now, if Apple were to sell one million copies for $50 each, they'd break even, and then every copy thereafter would, for sake of argument, be gravy. Right? Follow me?

Now, let's say that it costs Apple $100 per every computer they make. Again, they probably all cost more than that, and some considerably more, but that's not the point. I'm just trying to keep this simple.

So, in order for Apple to sell you Mac OS X (think of it as the "payload"), they have to sell you $100 in addition before they can sell you the $50 copy of Mac OS X. In other words, it costs them triple the amount to sell you Mac OS X than it would otherwise if they just could sell it for any computer. And remember, this is a cost that's completely under Apple's control.

The big fear that's always permeated these discussions has been one of Apple cannibalizing their hardware sales if they opened Mac OS X to anyone. But that fear is predicated on the assumption that Apple is merely selling hardware because they choose to be in the hardware business. Remember, they've put themselves in the position of being raped on hardware sales only because they're forcing themselves to sell you hardware so you have the capability of buying (meaning that you would have the capability of using, and therefore the inherent justification of purchase) their payload.

If Apple were simply to sell Mac OS X without such forcing, they'd be able to make money with 1/3 or less the present expense in doing so. Or, in other words, they would stand to triple or better their profit by getting rid of the hardware requirement.

Yes, there'd be pirated copies of Mac OS X. But there's always been pirated copies of Mac OS, even among the community that Apple has walled themselves into having the business ability to sell to.

The corollary to this is that there will also always be people out there willing to buy Apple computer hardware, and that's just fine. Apple can charge what they want, within the limits of what the market will bear, for those who want the status or other perceived benefit of actual Apple hardware. But in the meantime, they'd also be selling copies of Mac OS X to a lot more people, all of whom by definition have no choice but to pirate a copy of Mac OS X for purposes of running it on non-Apple hardware.

Apple complains about DRM having negative purchasing implications in the music business, but there's a comparative reality in play here within the OS platform world, and it's one that Apple dare not ignore, particularly in light of Linux's growing adoption by not just tech-savvy people but also lower income people, those living in third-world countries, and so on. Between that and the adoption of (to say nothing of adaptation for) China and India, Linux is going to make Microsoft and Apple look like insignificant minority players.
 
Mike, all fair points (not necessary to get into the minutiae of the financial numbers, other than to say that I think some fairly big assumptions are being made about the cost to develop OS X and the profit Apple would make from selling OS X box copies).

As for Linux; Linux has its strengths, and yes, certainly, in many parts of the world it could easily become a dominant OS.

But I think we're talking about more long term effects here, and it's impossible to say what Apple's roadmap is 5-10 years from now.
 
And as far as still utilizing their hardware as a payload, besides providing high-fashion, high-end systems, Apple also has a potentially very lucrative server market. Now, it's not as big as IBM's, HP's or Dell's market right now, but I'm certain with the proper motivation Steve can muscle his way into it.
 
Mike, all fair points (not necessary to get into the minutiae of the financial numbers, other than to say that I think some fairly big assumptions are being made about the cost to develop OS X and the profit Apple would make from selling OS X box copies).

As for Linux; Linux has its strengths, and yes, certainly, in many parts of the world it could easily become a dominant OS.

But I think we're talking about more long term effects here, and it's impossible to say what Apple's roadmap is 5-10 years from now.

Oh, certainly. But then again you'd have to agree that, if Apple is really smart, they're planning out at least that far, Mr. Jobs' All Things D claim of "not knowing what's coming" notwithstanding.

However, we have to overcome this Apple-centric view we often have here. No matter what Apple does, Microsoft continues to exist and they are doing what they are doing, and likewise the FSF/OSS communities will continue to do what they will do. Apple is part of a continuum (and they always have been).
 
Oh, certainly. But then again you'd have to agree that, if Apple is really smart, they're planning out at least that far, Mr. Jobs' All Things D claim of "not knowing what's coming" notwithstanding.

However, we have to overcome this Apple-centric view we often have here. No matter what Apple does, Microsoft continues to exist and they are doing what they are doing, and likewise the FSF/OSS communities will continue to do what they will do. Apple is part of a continuum (and they always have been).

Yup, I agree. I think the thing is, Apple does see themselves as an entire solution company, selling their entire system - hardware, software, combined.

Personally, I don't think Apple is in such a bad place right now.

I don't think it would be impossible for Apple to sell "Mac OS X for PC's" (ignoring any business issues there such as how MS would respond to it, etc.).

I'll even grant the possibility that Apple could do just fine selling "Mac OS X for PC's" and selling complete Mac systems alongside it.

The question then becomes, once you get past all that, whether Apple wants to get in that business. Do they want to just sell the OS to a bunch of people?

To some degree, I imagine that Apple would love to have a situation where OS X gained 20-30% marketshare, as a combination of Macs + people running OS X on other PC's.

I'd even go so far as to say that Jobs probably would love the idea of people replacing Windows with OS X on their PC's.

The thing is, I'm just not sure Apple wants to be in that business. I think that things work out for them pretty well as it is, selling just complete Mac systems, getting more into consumer electronics, etc.

If this was about the "OS wars", and Apple needed to gain a bunch of OS marketshare from Windows and Linux, I could see it, but I just don't think it's as much of a necessity.

I think Windows, Linux and OS X all serve their purpose in the market.

I wouldn't be surprised to see things change (I think Apple has shown plenty of willingness to make pretty big changes, like the Intel switch), but I think there has to be a motivating factor for those changes.

There has to be a compelling reason.
 
Ok, well then, let me ask you: What would you propose as a compelling reason ?

I think the main compelling reason (beyond the obvious, to get more Mac users) would be to increase overall marketshare to make Mac OS X a more attractive platform to develop for.

The biggest issue for the Mac has always been that the userbase is so relatively small that many companies just can't justify devoting resources to developing Mac OS X apps.

If Apple could know that they could significantly increase the OS X userbase by selling a PC version, thus making it a more attractive platform for developers, it would directly benefit Mac users and Apple itself.

The other compelling reason would probably be to have a more direct "halo" effect. User buys PC, has Windows on it, doesn't like it - they can't afford to buy a whole new Mac, but they're curious enough to spend $129 to buy OS X and see what it's like. They like OS X so much that the next computer they purchase is a Mac from Apple (essentially a more direct version of the idea that someone buys an iPod, likes it so much that they want the whole Apple experience with a Mac).

Personally I think the "Mac mini" is the closest thing Apple has done to this; a tiny almost iPod-esque mini Mac, priced pretty cheaply, and a low-cost way to get into the world of OS X. Not the same as "OS X for PC's", but not that far off either.

Lastly, Apple could perhaps "pull a Sega", and become a software-only company - model themselves after Microsoft. License OS X to vendors, sell it as a standalone OS...... sell OS X and Windows versions of iLife, iWork, Final Cut (just as MS sells both Windows and Mac versions of Office).

-Zadillo
 
Ok, two separate thoughts here:

Zadillo:

One thing to try to keep in mind is that Apple is already positioning themselves as a content/technology company, a la Sony. You'll remember they've already dropped the "Computer" word from their company name. Now Steve calls them a "software" company.

What exactly does this suggest to you?


FredG:

Actually, I use a hodge-podge of software from different vendors. Here's a breakdown by vendor:

Apple: Mac OS X, SimpleText, DVD Player, iTunes.

Opera Software ASA: Opera

VideoLAN: VLC

Microsoft: Entourage

Adobe: InDesign, GoLive

So, to be honest, nobody's strategy has dominance on any of my computers.
 
Ok, two separate thoughts here:

Zadillo:

One thing to try to keep in mind is that Apple is already positioning themselves as a content/technology company, a la Sony. You'll remember they've already dropped the "Computer" word from their company name. Now Steve calls them a "software" company.

What exactly does this suggest to you?

I think you're reading perhaps too much into both of these statements.

Dropping the "Computer" from the company reflects the fact that Apple is more than just a computer company; the iPod, the iPhone, AppleTV, etc....... these are all different types of devices. It doesn't mean Apple is going to stop making computers (not to mention that the iPhone and AppleTV are essentially special-purpose computers anyway). It just means they are broadening the brand.

Regarding Jobs calling Apple a "software" company; I'd have to see the context of the quote, but if it's like other similar quotes, I think you might be misinterpreting it as well. It doesn't mean Apple is ONLY a software company, or even primarily a software company (a la Microsoft).

What I think it means, and what Jobs normally means when he says this, is that software is a vital component of what Apple does. The Mac is nothing without OS X; the iPhone is just as much about the software that powers it than the hardware itself; the iPod wouldn't be the same thing without iTunes.

This doesn't mean Apple is focusing solely on software - clearly they are still making a variety of different types of hardware. In fact, they've expanded their hardware scope to different types of devices, not gotten out of the hardware game.

-Zadillo
 
Zadillo:

Some last thoughts before I take off for work.

I'm not saying Apple intends to abandon hardware. They couldn't do that and continue to make iPods, AppleTVs and so forth. However, my point is that they are already psychologically, as a company, gearing up for business strategies which they have not previously embraced, and I think that one of those is the unbundling of Mac OS X from Apple computer hardware.
 
One thing to try to keep in mind is that Apple is already positioning themselves as a content/technology company, a la Sony. You'll remember they've already dropped the "Computer" word from their company name. Now Steve calls them a "software" company.

I couldn't be wrong because I don't follow every word Steve says, but I've never heard him refer to Apple as a "software" company (implying that that's their main business). He said "computer" was dropped because Apple makes more than just computers.

I think you might be underestimating the "discounting" Apple sells it's software for to attract people to the Mac platform (which of course would disappear if you no long needed to buy a Mac to run the apps). For example, Final Cut Studio 2 is around $30,000-$35,000 worth of software Apple sells for $1299. When Apple bought Shake a few years ago they immediately dropped the price from $10k to $5k and now it's just $499. If Apple licensed OS X to other computer makers I don't think they'd be able to price their software anywhere close to the current levels because they'd no longer have the hardware sales to support it.


Lethal
 
Zadillo:

Some last thoughts before I take off for work.

I'm not saying Apple intends to abandon hardware. They couldn't do that and continue to make iPods, AppleTVs and so forth. However, my point is that they are already psychologically, as a company, gearing up for business strategies which they have not previously embraced, and I think that one of those is the unbundling of Mac OS X from Apple computer hardware.

I can acknowledge that at least the steps Apple has taken at least have paved the way for that decision to be made.

What I question is whether they actually want to do that.
 
I think you might be underestimating the "discounting" Apple sells it's software for to attract people to the Mac platform (which of course would disappear if you no long needed to buy a Mac to run the apps). For example, Final Cut Studio 2 is around $30,000-$35,000 worth of software Apple sells for $1299. When Apple bought Shake a few years ago they immediately dropped the price from $10k to $5k and now it's just $499. If Apple licensed OS X to other computer makers I don't think they'd be able to price their software anywhere close to the current levels because they'd no longer have the hardware sales to support it.

How do you get a number like $30,000-$35,000? I know it is not so easy to determine the actual worth of Software but the price it is sold for is usually strongly influenced by the market. Prices on these software products used to be high, because they had no competition up to some point and were only bought by a small number of customers. So the reason for the prices dropping is not that Apple recovers the difference by selling hardware but that market changes with time.
 
As nice as it would be to run os X on cheap pcs, I still think apple should sue them if they start selling software that lets people run OS X on generic pcees.
 
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