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Safari compatibility for GMail

123 said:
Personally, I think web mailers are for losers. And I don't know why google should be able to change that. I couldn't care less if the interface of existing web interfaces are a "cluster of buttons" if I don't have to use them more than a couple of times a year. Unless you plan to become a google share holder in the future I really don't understand why this whole thing should be relevant to anybody except idiots.

edit: of course the news bit itself is relevant since it strengthens the Mac platform which is always good even if the service is idiotic.
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How very enlightened you are. Please gleam some of that wonderful insight to the masses by telling us poor pitiful peasants why web based e-mail is so horrid. I mean you obviously are the seer of all, knower of all things, the pantheon of all things web. Tell us o brilliant one why the world is so wrong and you are so right.
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Oh I'm sorry I forgot to turn off the sarcasm mode on my browser. There we go.

Web based e-mail is 100 times more flexible then any mail client driven service. In fact some of the best mail accounts I've owned allow both for both dedicated client and web access. So let me understand correctly you are in favor of limiting your options. What stunning insight. Sorry dang sarcasm addin keeps turning on in my browser.
 
I'm surprised no one here is even the slightest bit concerned that Google actively scans the content of your email and then suggests links based on what it has found.
 
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I don't have the time to read through the whole thread right now, but all I can think of is that this is most welcome for the mac community. Still it sounds pretty stupid they don't already have support for safari :Q
 
TheT said:
To those who already have it: You all say that the infertace is so great and easy and...
Well, I don't think it will be better the Mail.app. But why is it better than i.e. .Mac webmail (yes, besides that it's free)? I don't see any "hard" part in using that... :confused:
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Here's what I like, so far:

1. "Conversation" thread view. If you send a bunch of e-mails back and forth about the same subject, they get displayed as neatly stacked cards in the interface. I think it's better than thread grouping in Mail.app.

2. It's blazing fast. For me, pretty much every operation happens as quickly as a standard Google search.

3. Keyboard shortcuts. You can get navigate around the service without using the mouse. There are shortcuts for composing mail, replying, forwarding, selecting the inbox and refreshing it, moving to newer or older messages, collapsing/expanding messages in conversation view, and so on.

4. Labels. They work like folders, only better; in traditional mail programs a message can be filed only in one folder, but in gmail you can apply multiple labels to a single message.

5. The ads aren't annoying at all. They're really tiny, in fact. And I know a lot of people have their panties all bunched up about privacy issues, but I don't think there's anything to worry about--the algorithm that scans messages for content doesn't get fed the account name or anything in the to/from fields for the message. So there's no connection between what you write and who you are.

And the ads are kinda fun...I wrote a message to my dad about my upcoming college graduation, and after I sent it, a couple ads popped up about caps and gowns. Kinda cool, I thought. Google has been doing that with my searches for years, so....big deal. :p
 
The Cheat said:
I'm surprised no one here is even the slightest bit concerned that Google actively scans the content of your email and then suggests links based on what it has found.
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I'm not because I'm well aware of what's at stake for google if they screw up. There are a whole host of search applications coming online in the next few years. Google is uping the ante before that happens. If they screw up with people's privacy they are done. Its similar to how I view Apple and iTMS. They aren't going to try and actively screw people over because they aren't in a position to try such a tactic.
Same goes with google. They are top dog now but one stumble and its over.
Google can't afford to mess around with privacy issues and from what I understand, might be wrong, they the methods they are using to scan your mail is not archived in a manner that allows the company or individual to get any real relevant information from you. The system simply scans your mail for keywords.
So I'm guessing this post would pick up Applications/Apple/iTMS. Hopefully not screw. :eek: ;) and give me relevant content. I'm going to give it a try when the blasted service is available!! People are crucifying the system and its not even available to the masses yet!
 
Scampura said:
Here's what I like, so far:

1. "Conversation" thread view. If you send a bunch of e-mails back and forth about the same subject, they get displayed as neatly stacked cards in the interface. I think it's better than thread grouping in Mail.app.

2. It's blazing fast. For me, pretty much every operation happens as quickly as a standard Google search.
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1. Sounds dang cool.

2. Well keep in mind you are probably one of only a few thousand lucky few on the system. It might get a "bit" slower if you add 300,000 users on the system. ;)
 
Gmail Safari support is available for testing

Hey guys (or at least those of you with Gmail accounts), a new push to the servers last week incorporated the latest Safari-compatible code.

The browser check still says Safari isn't a 'currently supported' browser, but click through on 'try anyways' and it works really well, with only a few bugs that are still being worked on.

Note that using the browser spoofing trick (making Safari look like IE, or example) may do more harm than good, if Gmail is giving slightly different code to the client to optimize for Safari's Javascript.

Enjoy!

-Kevin Fox
 
The Cheat said:
I'm surprised no one here is even the slightest bit concerned that Google actively scans the content of your email and then suggests links based on what it has found.
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And Yahoo, HotMail, and others don't? I mean, even AOL searches your e-mail, but once it's used for commericalism, then all the privacy organizations come out of the woodwork. Personally, I'd happly trade the contents of my e-mails (as long as the email addresses are removed) for large storage space and lots of cool features.
 
skepticism

SiliconAddict said:
I'm not because I'm well aware of what's at stake for google if they screw up. There are a whole host of search applications coming online in the next few years. Google is uping the ante before that happens. If they screw up with people's privacy they are done. Its similar to how I view Apple and iTMS. They aren't going to try and actively screw people over because they aren't in a position to try such a tactic.
Same goes with google. They are top dog now but one stumble and its over.
Google can't afford to mess around with privacy issues and from what I understand, might be wrong, they the methods they are using to scan your mail is not archived in a manner that allows the company or individual to get any real relevant information from you. The system simply scans your mail for keywords.
So I'm guessing this post would pick up Applications/Apple/iTMS. Hopefully not screw. :eek: ;) and give me relevant content. I'm going to give it a try when the blasted service is available!! People are crucifying the system and its not even available to the masses yet!
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On the same note microsoft would never do anything bad because they don't want people to hate them, right? And big corporations would never do unethical things because the people might rise up, right?

I just keep hearing executives in board rooms all over the world rubbing their hands together and saying "ehhhhhcellent" everytime that arguement/lack of annoyance or suspicion is brought up.
 
GMail...GMail...GMail....

.....The pics on this thing look promising!!! Can't wait!!
 
No, thanks...

Support Safari or not, I'm personally not using it. 1GB comes with too high of a price for me... Privacy. I really don't care to have computers scanning my email and advertising related items. You could say "so what?" Well if people buy into this crap then what will be next? It will only get more and more intrusive. Look at everything else, first it was banners, then pop-ups, now all kinds of horrible junk.

No thanks...
 
That's cool.

I don't think I'd switch from .Mac to Gmail, mostly because I like the functionality .Mac gives me with iSync. However, I'll probably get a Gmail account just to have it, for those times when people want to send pictures or large attachments.
 
No big thing

They announce that their system will support Safari as if is some big success story. Why make an announcement to let us know that the system will do what it is supposed to do?

The next big news out of the Google HQ will probably be something like "Gmail allows you send email as well as receive it! Hooray!"

This is not a big revelation. If they build Gmail functionality into the Safari browser menu like they did the Google search, that would be worth waking me up for. Speaking of which, I've read in a few places that Yahoo's search may replace Google as the built-in Safari search engine. That woud anger me.

-Piker
 
SiliconAddict said:
Web based e-mail is 100 times more flexible then any mail client driven service.
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In some ways, yes, in others, no. For everyday use, definitely no.

SiliconAddict said:
In fact some of the best mail accounts I've owned allow both for both dedicated client and web access. So let me understand correctly you are in favor of limiting your options.
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Err, no. I do use web mail sometimes... whenever you can't use POP or IMAP: holidays etc.. I've never used and would never use a public email service that doesn't offer both web access and either IMAP or at least POP3. However, I'm glad you had those features too in "some of the best mail accounts" you owned. Those world class accounts really must have been exceptionally good, I bet you could also write emails and even send attachments? Impressive!!!

Anyway, people who think it's "100 times more flexible" to go to some web page from home or work and click through clumsy, non-integrated interfaces all the time are simply idiots. As are those who make such a fuss about a 10% less painful experience like this google stuff. And BTW, the only people who are limiting their options are those who sign up for google mail.

What stunning insight. Sorry dang sarcasm addin keeps turning on in my browser.
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Thanks! I almost couldn't tell.
 
Rooey said:
It's stuff like this that REALLY makes me mad.

What are they saying? They'll teach their monkeys how to code before they release the product?

The whole point of HTML/CSS et al was that they were an open standard, every browser can read them blah blah blah.
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I can not agree more. I can't believe more people have not pointed this out or commented on it! I mean really, shouldn't EVERY website be coded to html standards? What good is a standard if no one adheres to it? From what I have read, Apple also needs to pay attention to standards. I am not a programer or java nut, but some recent stories have mentioned Apple is not using or adhering to the latest java code.

Apple MUST lead the way in terms of following standards and bitch like crazy when it doesn't happen. Safari should follow ALL the latest HTML/CSS/Java standards. We, as mac users, also need to bitch and moan when companies don't follow standards as well. By following a standard the company loses the argument "the mac user base just isn't large enough for us to justify the cost". If you follow a standard, you are not coding JUST for a certain user base, you are coding for EVERYONE. This means windows, linux, unix, mac, etc. If you want to code "special" little features into your system for the windows people fine, then just make sure the rest of the world can use it as well by following standards and providing options.

Uggghh! I am glad Safari will be supported but I would rather see the headline "Gmail to follow HTML standards" - and REALLY follow the standard, not what Bill and co. say should be the standard.

-end rant.
 
Thing is, if it followed strict HTML standards, MSIE 6 wouldn't be able to render it properly.

People code for MSIE, not to standards. It's awful, and it's M$'s fault.

macnews said:
I can not agree more. I can't believe more people have not pointed this out or commented on it! I mean really, shouldn't EVERY website be coded to html standards? What good is a standard if no one adheres to it? From what I have read, Apple also needs to pay attention to standards. I am not a programer or java nut, but some recent stories have mentioned Apple is not using or adhering to the latest java code.

Apple MUST lead the way in terms of following standards and bitch like crazy when it doesn't happen. Safari should follow ALL the latest HTML/CSS/Java standards. We, as mac users, also need to bitch and moan when companies don't follow standards as well. By following a standard the company loses the argument "the mac user base just isn't large enough for us to justify the cost". If you follow a standard, you are not coding JUST for a certain user base, you are coding for EVERYONE. This means windows, linux, unix, mac, etc. If you want to code "special" little features into your system for the windows people fine, then just make sure the rest of the world can use it as well by following standards and providing options.

Uggghh! I am glad Safari will be supported but I would rather see the headline "Gmail to follow HTML standards" - and REALLY follow the standard, not what Bill and co. say should be the standard.

-end rant.
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Use Safari Enhancer to change it back should that happen. But yes, yahoo sucks and I'll be firing off letters to Apple if they change their affiliation with google.


Piker said:
They announce that their system will support Safari as if is some big success story. Why make an announcement to let us know that the system will do what it is supposed to do?

The next big news out of the Google HQ will probably be something like "Gmail allows you send email as well as receive it! Hooray!"

This is not a big revelation. If they build Gmail functionality into the Safari browser menu like they did the Google search, that would be worth waking me up for. Speaking of which, I've read in a few places that Yahoo's search may replace Google as the built-in Safari search engine. That woud anger me.

-Piker
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Some_Big_Spoon said:
Thing is, if it followed strict HTML standards, MSIE 6 wouldn't be able to render it properly.

People code for MSIE, not to standards. It's awful, and it's M$'s fault.
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BS. IE follows the standards well enough to render properly and there are scores of hacks to make it work like it should.

People are starting to code for standards and IE better keep up.

Here's some info on Gmail inaccessibility.
 
It's a BETA!

Full functionality? It's a Beta. It has not been released to the general public. The purpose of a Beta is to test your software then make changes. A moment of Zen. It is a Beta, It is a Beta, It is a Beta... Thank you.
 
Gherkin said:
I have a GMail account. I hope that makes some people jealous :D
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How is it so far, comparing to Yahoo, Hotmail, or any other free mail? I wish I had one :D
 
How to get gmail

I just got invited to the beta, so this method seems to work.

I already had a blogger account, but hadn't even logged in in 3 months. I've posted about 5 times in the last 3 days and poof, on the right side a like comes up to try gmail.

so, its worth a shot if you already have a blogger account and haven't used it. If you don't have an account, making a new one might work.
 
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