Safari getting TABS and AutoFill!!

[sparkleytone]

update

disk image removed at the request of you know who...


lol, im sure it got to enough people by now anyways.

 

[Kid Red]

Re: There's more than tabs, here.

Originally posted by RandomMacGuy
I have been developing CSS right sites recently to test Safari's rendering engine and at the moment, while it is very good, it isn't quite as good as Gecko with CSS. All the normal stuff works fine, but when you throw in tons of <div>s and <span>s with margins/borders/padding/background/position/float/etc. it sometimes doesn't come out right.

Of course, nothing is perfect and I appreciate the challenge of getting all this CSS to render correctly.

I remember David Hyatt posting that he zapped a lot of CSS bugs. I'm anxious to see them.

[edit: the point doesn't really shine through here... basically I'm saying that it isn't interface alone that warrents a total switch. BTW, Safari is my primary browser anyway]

- RMG

Note: The CSS in question is valid and the HTML in which it is embedded is XHTML 1.1 valid...

I hate <div> tags and wish coders would stop using them the <center> tag is better IMO

 

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by mnkeybsness
it bothers me when you close a tab, the main window will automatically slim down from closing the tab bar

Only affects you.

 

[GBRocksFan]

Re: Re: There's more than tabs, here.

Originally posted by Kid Red
I hate <div> tags and wish coders would stop using them the <center> tag is better IMO

How could <center> possibly be used in place of <div>? I thought <center> was deprecated in HTML 4.01?

 

[GetSome681]

What I want more than anything else is to be able to right click the safari icon in the dock, and in that pop-up menu have the ability to open a new browser window. If you have other windows open, but minimized, clicking on the safari icon just brings up one of the minimized windows. I hate this b/c I have those pages still open for a reason, and want to just have a new window. Having to do this and then minimize the window and then file>new window takes just too long.

Please people submit that you want this b/c I want it bad, and it only makes safari all that much better (especially for windows users switching over) (by the way I'm not one of those)

 

[greenstork]

The most useful option for tabs and the most revolutionary thing to hit web browsers in the past year or two is the ability to load multiple tabs on a bookmark bar. I think they're called folder groups or something, a clickable folder. I use it in Chimera for everything. I have one category for news, one for Mac news, etc. So with 7 or 8 bookmarks, I can open 35-40 web pages and keep them organized.

I would like to see this option for Safari tabs. It is fairly new to Chimera but I just can't live without it now. It basically elminiates the need for a bookmark sidebar.

 

[Kid Red]

Re: Re: Re: There's more than tabs, here.

Originally posted by GBRocksFan
How could <center> possibly be used in place of <div>? I thought <center> was deprecated in HTML 4.01?

Not sure but I use and prefer <center> tags instead of <div align="center"> it's just <center>. the <div align="right"> is the same. I guess it's not that big of a deal since DW MX does eitehr div or center tags, but before it was only center tags. So if you used div tags you had to do it by hand, very annoying for a graphic artist to code

 

[davoodoofunk]

another mirror

Posted another mirror because the other seem bogged down. Get it at http://www.soopah256.com/~jonathan

 

[Hemingray]

Re: Re: Re: Re: There's more than tabs, here.

Originally posted by Kid Red
Not sure but I use and prefer <center> tags instead of <div align="center"> it's just <center>. the <div align="right"> is the same. I guess it's not that big of a deal since DW MX does eitehr div or center tags, but before it was only center tags. So if you used div tags you had to do it by hand, very annoying for a graphic artist to code

Yeah, <center> is deprecated in HTML 4.01. It would be better to use <div align="center">. Then again, so is <font>, and look at how many people still use that!

 

[DStaal]

Re: Re: Re: Re: There's more than tabs, here.

Originally posted by Kid Red
Not sure but I use and prefer <center> tags instead of <div align="center"> it's just <center>. the <div align="right"> is the same. I guess it's not that big of a deal since DW MX does eitehr div or center tags, but before it was only center tags. So if you used div tags you had to do it by hand, very annoying for a graphic artist to code

The idea w/ HTML 4.01/CSS and XHTML/CSS is to seperate content and presentation. <div> is a division of the document: you may center it, left align it, right align it, float it, hide it, or whatever. You can even do nothing with it. <center> just says center what comes next.

<div align="center"> may be harder to type, but <div class="header">, where header is styled to be centered, bold, in a different font, three sizes bigger and be outlined in a shadow is much quicker, especially if you have a header on every page...

(I do worry about your code; in my experiance graphic artists who haven't made a few mental adjustments write the worst web sites. And those who have made the adjustments make the best.)

 

[losfp]

Just getting off the topic slightly, as there seems to be talk about html I usually code using div align= etc etc.. but when you're knocking up a quick test page, center> is occasionally quicker to use. However if you have all the CSSs set up properly etc, that's the best.

 

[AllenPSU]

Originally posted by mac15
I assumed it was only speculation, good stuff . I think we'll see 1.0 sooner than later

I hope so... seems there are a lot of cool features that are locked up in there. I do wish they would add in a better scaling option when printing pages. IE 5.2 still has the easiest way to do this... a shame its the only good feature in that program.

 

[ezkimo]

Help!

I seemed to have somehow fried my tabs. Heres the situation. I downloaded the v62 beta and safari enhancer to make the debug menu show up. I turned on tabs and used them for a while with command t to open a new one. Then, thinking that I was done with the debug menu, I got rid of it thinking tabs would still work. Tabs got turned off when the debug menu was closed. So I reopened it and and turned on tabs and now I can only open a tab of a link if I right click (I have a 2 button mouse) it. The file menu dosnt have a new tab option and I cant command t a new one. Is there any way to fix without downloading again?

Thanks!

-Zach

 

[Kid Red]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There's more than tabs, here.

Originally posted by DStaal
The idea w/ HTML 4.01/CSS and XHTML/CSS is to seperate content and presentation. <div> is a division of the document: you may center it, left align it, right align it, float it, hide it, or whatever. You can even do nothing with it. <center> just says center what comes next.

<div align="center"> may be harder to type, but <div class="header">, where header is styled to be centered, bold, in a different font, three sizes bigger and be outlined in a shadow is much quicker, especially if you have a header on every page...

(I do worry about your code; in my experiance graphic artists who haven't made a few mental adjustments write the worst web sites. And those who have made the adjustments make the best.)

I don't code by hand but one search engine spider only liked <div> tags and 1 client wanted them instead of any <center> tags. At the time, DW didn't do <div align="center"> so i had to replace them all by hand, which is where my discontent arises from.

I wouldn't worry about my code either, as i let DW handle it all. Of my 4+ years designing hundreds of sites (not coding dozens of pages per) I've never had any issues with the way DW writes code.

I don't do CSS files only simple <styletype="text/css"> and a few others I've picked up.

 

[Kid Red]

Re: Help!

Originally posted by ezkimo
I seemed to have somehow fried my tabs. Heres the situation. I downloaded the v62 beta and safari enhancer to make the debug menu show up. I turned on tabs and used them for a while with command t to open a new one. Then, thinking that I was done with the debug menu, I got rid of it thinking tabs would still work. Tabs got turned off when the debug menu was closed. So I reopened it and and turned on tabs and now I can only open a tab of a link if I right click (I have a 2 button mouse) it. The file menu dosnt have a new tab option and I cant command t a new one. Is there any way to fix without downloading again?

Thanks!

-Zach

LOL, not sure why you got rid of the debug menu. You might have to re-install Safari and then either Safari enhancer or the terminal command which is easier. Eitehr way, leave the debug menu alone

 

[ezkimo]

Re: Re: Help!

Originally posted by Kid Red
LOL, not sure why you got rid of the debug menu. You might have to re-install Safari and then either Safari enhancer or the terminal command which is easier. Eitehr way, leave the debug menu alone

I thought the debug menu just activated stuff and then you could get rid of it since its kinda a waste of space. I reinstalled and everything is fine...Thanks!

-Zach

 

[FredAkbar]

Re: Re: Re: Help!

Originally posted by ezkimo
I thought the debug menu just activated stuff and then you could get rid of it since its kinda a waste of space. I reinstalled and everything is fine...Thanks!

-Zach

Actually that's what I thought too. I only have my Debug menu turned on when I want to actually use it (like when I turned on Tabbed Browsing)...other than that, I don't have it on, and I've had no problems.

--Fred

 

[goofbutt]

Bookmarks in Safari suck

When SJ announced Safari he was proud that booksmark in Safari was one of it's best features. I have found that the bookmarks in Safari is one of it's weakest points, next to the complete lack of keychain access. There is no easy way that I have found to be able to view my bookmarks along with the browser window. IE is better at dealing with bookmarks then Safari and I hate IE. Even in the v62 release of Safari with tabs enabled, the bookmarks still are awful. When you have multiple tabs and open bookmarks, they replace every web page on every tab until you hide your bookmarks. WTF? I hope that since v62 is not really ready for prime time, that apple fixes this before the release. If Apple doesn't make improvement to the bookmark feature in Safari, I can never make the switch from Chimera.

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Chimera is what Safari should be!

 

[gopher]

Chimera is too unstable for me. Safari I find is more stable and faster even without tabbed browsing. If Chimera didn't unexpectedly quit at random moments I might grow to like it more.

 

[beatle888]

yup

safari = stability

and the bookmarks feature rocks

 

[MacSlut]

Re: Bookmarks in Safari suck

Originally posted by goofbutt
When SJ announced Safari he was proud that booksmark in Safari was one of it's best features. I have found that the bookmarks in Safari is one of it's weakest points, next to the complete lack of keychain access. There is no easy way that I have found to be able to view my bookmarks along with the browser window. IE is better at dealing with bookmarks then Safari and I hate IE.

Thank you. I thought it was just me. Safari may be better at organizing bookmarks, but certainly not at using bookmarks. IE is much better with being able to use the pane while loading in pages. Very useful. I've customized the search pane in IE to use a HTML page with about 20 different customized searches that show results in the main window. Likewise creating your own sets of links for the Page Holder pane in IE can really be cool.

And last, here's one for anyone not convinced that Safari's bookmarks are weak...try opening a page from your history in Safari versus IE. Suppose that page in one you're not really sure of. In other words perhaps you looked at 20 pages on a site and you aren't sure which one you want to go back to. In IE, simply click on each in the History pane until you get to the page you want.

In Safari you have to keep re-opening the Bookmarks.

 

[MacSlut]

Another thing nobody mentions

Don't get me wrong, I like Safari a lot or should I say the potential for Safari. It's just that it's not yet ready...of course it's BETA, but I'm not sure a new version of IE wouldn't be better, and there are a LOT of things that need to be fixed or added to Safari, whereas IE really just needs improvements in speed, tabs, spell checking and other services, and a few bugs to be fixed...notably, it crashes when you try to load in a file that is still be written to.

Another key area that makes IE better, and I doubt we'll find this in Safari is the ability to customize the toolbar. I'm not talking about a toolbar sheet, or swapping icons but the ability to customize it via XML.

I have all sorts of crazy buttons I created for my toolbar. My favorite is a Passwords key, which allows me to enter a master password and then it opens a password database. Others do things like open specific folders or launch AppleScript events.

 

[jimmueller]

Tabbed browsing

Has anybody commented yet how much tabbed browsing (as shown on ThinkSecret) looks like Lotus Notes? Complete with the little "x" to close them. Yeeesh....

 

[Kid Red]

Re: Re: Bookmarks in Safari suck

Originally posted by MacSlut
Thank you. I thought it was just me. Safari may be better at organizing bookmarks, but certainly not at using bookmarks. IE is much better with being able to use the pane while loading in pages. Very useful. I've customized the search pane in IE to use a HTML page with about 20 different customized searches that show results in the main window. Likewise creating your own sets of links for the Page Holder pane in IE can really be cool.

And last, here's one for anyone not convinced that Safari's bookmarks are weak...try opening a page from your history in Safari versus IE. Suppose that page in one you're not really sure of. In other words perhaps you looked at 20 pages on a site and you aren't sure which one you want to go back to. In IE, simply click on each in the History pane until you get to the page you want.

In Safari you have to keep re-opening the Bookmarks.

I disagree. If you want to go back use the back button. Otherwise, the way Safari handles it it much better and offers way more control then any current method.

Safari does need scrap book tho

 

[shadowfax]

Re: Tabbed browsing

Originally posted by jimmueller
Has anybody commented yet how much tabbed browsing (as shown on ThinkSecret) looks like Lotus Notes? Complete with the little "x" to close them. Yeeesh....

isn't this just an apple-designed tabbing structure? it looks the same in limewire, only aquified--and the tabs spread like in chimera, which we really need.