I'm having what I believe is a Hughesnet/Mac issue that seems to be tied to recent versions of Firefox & Safari. I have been unable to access my gmail account via Firefox for the last three or four weeks and after upgrading to Tiger 10.4.11 this morning I'm running into the same problem with Safari. The gmail Web page either hangs up on an infinite loop or there is an error and the Web page stops loading. This is happening on my G5 iMac but I have the same problem on my MacBook as well. Is anyone else having problems with speed browser based email with Hughesnet? The in house network is an Airport Extreme with an Airport Express added to boost network range. Please note that my Hughes net (commercial satellite) system has never been very fast at loading Web pages on any of my four Macs although the data downloads usually run at about 1 Megabit. Also there is no anti virus software installed on either effected system.