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JONY IVE CHANGES HIS MIND: Apple Makes One Of The Biggest Changes Ever To Beta iPhone Software http://www.businessinsider.com/jony...t-changes-ever-to-beta-iphone-software-2013-7 Will this help?

Another day, another BSiness Insider BS.

BSiness Insider said:
This is great news, because there is a lot of stuff wrong with the new iOS that needs tweaking.

What exactly is wrong? The author just leaves this as a conclusion and attempts to skew people's mind.
 
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Another day, another BSiness Insider BS.
Ehh? The article is absolutely correct in that regard.

Historically, Apple's developer betas were design complete and Apple showed zero interest in any comments about design. During past developer betas, Apple did not even dignify design comments\concerns with replies.

For those that think IOS7 design criticism is pointless, here's a a good post by the developer of Instapaper:

http://www.marco.org/2013/07/09/effecting-apple-change-from-outside
 
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I installed beta 3 on my iphone 5 after a less than positive experience with b2 on my ipad mini. Better so far in some ways; still a style over substance experience in many other ways IMO.

After using it on the iphone for a couple of days, things started getting sluggish. I then happened to tap the Safari tab icon and discovered I had about 10 open tabs. There was zero indication anywhere that I had that many tabs open.

Where the heck did the tab count on the icon go?
 
Hopefully they continue to fix the calendar. I am glad for the gray dots, but I also want to see a list of events I have for a day under the month view. I am not a fan of List only view.
 
I love the Safari bar behaviour as you get so much more space. I agree it's not as intuitive, but it's a tradeoff for Apple to make better interfaces and not just cater to those people who haven't seen an iPhone in their life :D . Also, I would say it's pretty discoverable since users will most likely tap the top or bottom areas in regular usage by accident.

I wrote a post about Safari's toolbar behaviour by the way. http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/18/4440774/ux-niceties-ios-7s-safari-auto-hide-address-bars
 
I love the Safari bar behaviour as you get so much more space. I agree it's not as intuitive, but it's a tradeoff for Apple to make better interfaces and not just cater to those people who haven't seen an iPhone in their life :D . Also, I would say it's pretty discoverable since users will most likely tap the top or bottom areas in regular usage by accident.

I wrote a post about Safari's toolbar behaviour by the way. http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/18/4440774/ux-niceties-ios-7s-safari-auto-hide-address-bars

As to it appearing when you reach the bottom of the page, I often visit news site with miles of comments after the article. Finish the article, I want to navigate. The tap should be easy enough though.
 
I love the Safari bar behaviour as you get so much more space.

But in iOS 6, the URL bar at the top disappears as you scroll down, but now the URL is always displayed no matter where you are in the page. So I feel like I gained space at the bottom but lost it at the top.

And for some reason, the icons at the bottom never bothered me, but the URL at the top always seem to be in my face, and I find it rather irritating.

Plus, with so many apps, like iBooks, Instapaper, Kindle, etc, etc, where tapping in the middle brings up UI controls, I'm finding it very hard to remember to tap at the bottom in Safari to get the controls. It's like in Windows, alt-F4 closes the program, but then someone writes a program that uses a different command for that. If some program did that, I'm sure they would get very heavily criticized.
 
But in iOS 6, the URL bar at the top disappears as you scroll down, but now the URL is always displayed no matter where you are in the page. So I feel like I gained space at the bottom but lost it at the top.

And for some reason, the icons at the bottom never bothered me, but the URL at the top always seem to be in my face, and I find it rather irritating.

Plus, with so many apps, like iBooks, Instapaper, Kindle, etc, etc, where tapping in the middle brings up UI controls, I'm finding it very hard to remember to tap at the bottom in Safari to get the controls. It's like in Windows, alt-F4 closes the program, but then someone writes a program that uses a different command for that. If some program did that, I'm sure they would get very heavily criticized.

I understand some people would prefer the chrome to be on the bottom -- it's a preference thing. But the new UI gives much more space. iOS 6's navigation bar alone is taller than the shrunken address bar in iOS 7 and that's not counting the status bar.

Personally I don't find it confusing that tapping in the middle of the screen doesn't bring up navigation controls in Safari. The only apps that bring up controls by tapping the middle is reading/PDF apps or photo apps which display content that is not interactive. This interface would not work in a browser because it wouldn't know whether you are trying to tap a link or bring up controls.
 
I understand some people would prefer the chrome to be on the bottom -- it's a preference thing. But the new UI gives much more space. iOS 6's navigation bar alone is taller than the shrunken address bar in iOS 7 and that's not counting the status bar.

Agree that it's a preference thing, and that the new layout in iOS 7 does give more space. I just find that the top bar is always in my field of vision, and since they were trying to give more space to content, why not just get rid of the top bar as well as the bottom?

Personally I don't find it confusing that tapping in the middle of the screen doesn't bring up navigation controls in Safari. The only apps that bring up controls by tapping the middle is reading/PDF apps or photo apps which display content that is not interactive. This interface would not work in a browser because it wouldn't know whether you are trying to tap a link or bring up controls.

To me, Safari is basically another reading app, in that most of what I do in safari is read. So I guess that's why I find this divergent behavior confusing, because I expect it to act like other reading apps. As for links, I don't see that as a problem either, as all you have to do is, when you tap on a link, it assumes you are tapping a link, and if you tap somewhere not a link, it brings up controls. It's not like most pages are so full of links that you can't find a place that's not a link to tap.
 
just mimic the way [scrolling] is done in OSX
My thoughts exactly! Why not make it so that scrolling all the way to the left of a webpage initiates the back command? You could error proof that by having to scroll left once again after you've reached the edge of the webpage - just as in OSX!
There is not even a need to require a two finger gesture (as that would in turn require you to use both hands).
 
Can anybody tell me how to invoke tab view on the iPad? It doesn't have the bar on the bottom.
Also, I have to open a new tab to leave private mode. That's strange...
 
Does anyone here whether the password sync/generator feature have been implemented in Mobile Safari yet?
 
I hope they fix the favorites screen. Only some of my bookmarks show icons, the rest just show the title in a tiny gray font on a white background.
 
The favorites screen shows the icon used by the websites in your favorites. Some websites don't have icons. Sites like the Verge have a great icon. Some sites don't so they are plain gray.

It's a little different on iPad because the icons that are too small and blown up and pixelated just show as a color square and look much nicer- I assume that'll be coming to iPhone.
 
The favorites screen shows the icon used by the websites in your favorites. Some websites don't have icons. Sites like the Verge have a great icon. Some sites don't so they are plain gray.

It's a little different on iPad because the icons that are too small and blown up and pixelated just show as a color square and look much nicer- I assume that'll be coming to iPhone.
It also happens on some sites that do have favorite icons (they show in other browsers), but my complaint is that it doesn't even show a generic icon or a bordered square or anything. It only shows the title below an empty part of the background. It looks really, really stupid with all this random empty space in between icons.
 
I agree on some of your points. I find that to many of the features have to be accidently happened apon vs having them be obvious.

How is someone supposed to know that
- you can now swipe back and forth in Safari?
- you can shake the phone in e-mail to undelete?
- you can swipe text messages to see time sent?

We're going to need a manual! :D
 
I agree on some of your points. I find that to many of the features have to be accidently happened apon vs having them be obvious.

How is someone supposed to know that
- you can now swipe back and forth in Safari?
- you can shake the phone in e-mail to undelete?
- you can swipe text messages to see time sent?

We're going to need a manual! :D

You are able to swipe to go to a previous page in menus in iOS 7, people will most likely get used to that. Swiping to move between pages in safari would seem normal then. Also, some apps are already incorporating this. An example would be the newest version of the AP news app. It uses gestures like swiping to go between news articles and to bring up the menu. Shaking the phone already allows you in iOS 6 to undelete text, undeleting an email could be seen as a natural extension of this. I completely agree on the text message thing. That does seem unintuitive.
 
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