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safari is deadly!!!

technicolor said:
I just ordered a gig of ram so that will take me up to 1.5 gigs of ram once installed, maybe that will help as well.
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I have 1.5 gig RAM on my new iBook I bought just about 3 weeks ago, and Safari blows in all the ways you indicated - so getting more memory doesn't help. I'm on 10.4.4, but 10.4.3 was the same issues with Safari. I have 26GB free HDD space. So I don't thing it's the hardware.

Funny situation, as I otherwise like Safari the best of any browser I"ve used (I can't speak to IE, since the last time I've used IE was on XP in 2002). I love FF. But the simplicity and beauty of Safari won me over.

That said, Safari *in my experience* has serious issues. I've started threads on macrumors wrt. Safari eating up tons of memory both real and virtual (13GB virtual RAM, 350MB real RAM). It slowed down to the point where I'd get the spinning ball on every single page, no matter where I go, and 2-3 minutes to load a page with few graphics. Fixing permissions didn't do jack. I rebooted the computer and that helped to the point where it is usable. HOWEVER, again, the spinnning ball appears randomly on sites from time to time, and Safari completely LOCKS - is unusable... can't go back, forth, click on anything within the browser, open a new tab, hit an existing tab - NOTHING, totally frozen while the pinwheel is spinning... endlessly. I have to force quit it. That happens at least 2-3 times a day. Never happens on FF. So, does Safari have issues? Heck yeah!

Still, at the end of the day, I like it best... go figure... maybe I've just really turned into a mac fanatic with a powerful RDF :D

Seriously, I hope Apple keeps working on Safari - there is A LOT that needs fixing.
 
technicolor said:
They just crash for no reasons. Just viewing profiles and they will stall and shut down. This does not happen in IE. My friend said she has the same problem with her iBook.
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That's not the browser's fault, it's caused from the faulty code on the profile page.
 
OldCorpse said:
That said, Safari *in my experience* has serious issues.....That happens at least 2-3 times a day. Never happens on FF.
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On particular sites? That really does suck having it crash so often.

My Safari is pretty much stable. It crashes every so often but seldom enough that I couldn't tell you when it last happened. Not in 10.4.4 in any case and I use it for several hours a day.

Not sure whether I'm lucky, or you're not..
 
Funny you typed that OldCorpse. Safari just crashed on me as I was going from page 1 to page 2 of this thread. Yep the fix was a force quit. This happens at least once a day.

Whoever said dont visit myspace ..that sounds a little foolish. I didnt spend 1300 dollars for a computer to avoid webpages of my liking. :mad: I never had that problem on my PC. All I want is a browser that works and that is not too much to ask for. I had it on my PC(used firefox).
 
technicolor said:
Safari does indeed suck. I am a new mac user and so far my only complaint is the sorry choice of browsers available.
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The only browser that isn't available on Macs in IE6. You can still find IE5 for Macs, but that is the definition of suckage. There are actually more browsers for the Mac. Personally, though I like Safari, I prefer to use FireFox. On both platforms. There are some extensions that make it a really good experiance. I use the G5 optimised one on my iMac, but there is a G4 one too. And get as much RAM as you can afford. OS X will use it. If you are having a lot of issues with crashes, I'd run a hardware diagnostic because you might have an issue. Check any 3rd party RAM too. Do any other programs crash? Or is it just specific webpages? MySpace will crash on my Windows machines sometimes too.
 
Applespider said:
On particular sites? That really does suck having it crash so often.

My Safari is pretty much stable. It crashes every so often but seldom enough that I couldn't tell you when it last happened. Not in 10.4.4 in any case and I use it for several hours a day.

Not sure whether I'm lucky, or you're not..
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That's the thing... it happens randomly, not on any particular site. I can be on a site I've been on hudreds of times before (like macrumors, yes!), and Safari will crash, whereas before it didn't. And it has nothing to do with graphics or flash or content of the page as far as I can tell... it can happen on a page of pure text. It seems as if Safari has got to freeze 1-2 times a day, and it's random as to where it freezes on.

Wrt. Flip4mac, I only downloaded it yesterday and I downloaded the 2.01 version, so it has nothing to do with Safari, as I had that problem with Safari when my machine was stock with NOTHING downloaded yet.
 
OldCorpse said:
Lots of stuff I don't feel like quoting
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If you feel at some point during your browsing that Safari is using too much RAM, you can try emptying the cache. This should drop the usage down a bit, but it might hang for a little bit while it does the job.
 
While Safari can consume a lot of RAM (270MB for me right now with three pages/windows open), its never gotten to the point where the computer will beachball. Safari's caching can be, er, a bit agressive, but its usually smart enough to start dumping when the computer's RAM begins to fill.

Remember - free RAM is wasted RAM.
 
rye9 said:
My only app open was Safari, and all of a sudden, my iBook began to make lots of noise from the processor, and my iBook slowed down. It lasted for less than a minute. So.. I thought it was strange so I checked out Activity Monitor. Earlier today my Page Outs were about 2,000. Now, they are 95,000!!!!! Should I change my Internet Browser?!
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You mean your hard disk made lots of noise and not your processor, right?

Any chance you sleep your computer? As of Tiger, the maintenance scripts which used to run about 3:00 a.m and only if your computer was on (and not in sleep mode) will now run at some point after you wake your computer if it was asleep overnight at 3:00 am. The benefit of that is you don't need to manually run the maintenance scripts if your computer wasn't on all night, but sometimes both the weekly and daily scripts will launch at the same time and that can get pretty resource intensive (both processor and disk) even with "only one app open"

So, depending on how much memory you have, how many widgets you have in your dashboard, and how much memory Safari was using at the time, it wouldn't be too surprising to see pageouts if the maintenance scripts launched.
 
I've been using Safari since the public beta back in early 2003, and it's been very stable. It had issues with some sites back in early days, but that's all been fixed now for most sites.

However, over the last few days, it has been crashing a bit. It doesn't beachball, it just quits and asks me to send an error report. This could be related to 10.4.4, or it might even be a heat issue - it's been very hot here recently - my CPU is currently at 67° and it's 9 PM!
 
There is plenty of browser choice on OSX. Safari is a browser with good features, good UI. OSX does have a problem with web browsing though, the speed of quartz. It makes scrolling sluggish compared to windows. This mainly a problem with a scroll wheel though, as the movement is the only visual feedback you get with it, and it's annoying if it's not as smooth as butter as steve says.
Anyway the main reason I use safari is that it offers the best scrolling speed.
 
VanNess said:
You mean your hard disk made lots of noise and not your processor, right?

Any chance you sleep your computer? As of Tiger, the maintenance scripts which used to run about 3:00 a.m and only if your computer was on (and not in sleep mode) will now run at some point after you wake your computer if it was asleep overnight at 3:00 am. The benefit of that is you don't need to manually run the maintenance scripts if your computer wasn't on all night, but sometimes both the weekly and daily scripts will launch at the same time and that can get pretty resource intensive (both processor and disk) even with "only one app open"

So, depending on how much memory you have, how many widgets you have in your dashboard, and how much memory Safari was using at the time, it wouldn't be too surprising to see pageouts if the maintenance scripts launched.
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I dont know what was making the noise exactly, but yes I do sleep my iBook overnight.
 
rye9 said:
I dont know what was making the noise exactly, but yes I do sleep my iBook overnight.
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Then it's practically guaranteed that the maintenance scripts ran and caused the noise (and likely at least some of your pageouts), not Safari.

If it happens again, and it probably will, there is a pretty simple way to check: After all of the seemingly mysterious noise and activity ends (you can pull up activity monitor and verify that everything is back to being idle, with no high processor use or disk activity), open up Console located in your utilities folder. Click on the Logs button on the toolbar and, in the column that appears on the left, click on the triangle next to /var/log. You will find daily.out, weekly.out, monthly.out listed in alphabetical order. These are the log files OS X writes anytime it launches the maintenance scripts. Each log file entry will begin with a time stamp. If the most recent time stamp for either the daily, monthly or weekly logs matches the time the mysterious activity occurred, bingo!
 
wasimyaqoob said:
Nothing like this has happened to me, but if your saying its fine with FireFox, why not just use that then?
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I cant stand FireFox. Shiira by far dominates any other browser.
 
for me safari tends to be quite stable. It does hold onto about a 1GB of virtual memory after a few hours, but on the whole is well behaved. Previous version of it have been worse - currently on 2.0.3 (10.4.4 version).

I've noticed some web sites, eg google analytics use Javascript which Safari doesn't understand/can't use - so that is one area of improvement.

I use Safari as my main browser for testing web sites so it gets all kinds of code put through and doesn't crash.

Of recent, the only site that Safari has crashed in, is one that was demonstrating a proof of concept overflow to make Safari crash. Other than that, Safari is stable. I do however quit it and reopen it every so often - usually once a day or so.

ps shiira's page turns are cool :)
 
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