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Safari Update v6C Available
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Something else I have noticed...
Maybe this has been brought up by someone else and maybe I just have a setting wrong on Safari, but when I control-click and "save an image as" on my desktop or in a folder, why doesn't Safari show the picture in the icon like IE does? All I get with jpeg's, etc. is the "Preview" icon, not the actual icon sized image. I would like to see this fixed, unless it is just a setting I have wrong.
Maybe this has been brought up by someone else and maybe I just have a setting wrong on Safari, but when I control-click and "save an image as" on my desktop or in a folder, why doesn't Safari show the picture in the icon like IE does? All I get with jpeg's, etc. is the "Preview" icon, not the actual icon sized image. I would like to see this fixed, unless it is just a setting I have wrong.
Wachovia banking broken! oh no!
I was very happy that my Wachovia account (a former First Union account) was accessible online with Safari.
Sadly the newest release breaks it :-( it hangs forever when I try to log in and requires a force-quit.
VERY disappointing. But I have to say that while there are these few issues - my bank account and the un-lined-up lines in MacRumors - it still works on 99% of the sites I've been to.
I'm still impressed, and I'm sure most of this stuff will be worked out before 1.0 rolls around. This is just a beta after all, and a much better beta than many betas I've used before.
I got used to online banking in Safari :-(
I was very happy that my Wachovia account (a former First Union account) was accessible online with Safari.
Sadly the newest release breaks it :-( it hangs forever when I try to log in and requires a force-quit.
VERY disappointing. But I have to say that while there are these few issues - my bank account and the un-lined-up lines in MacRumors - it still works on 99% of the sites I've been to.
I'm still impressed, and I'm sure most of this stuff will be worked out before 1.0 rolls around. This is just a beta after all, and a much better beta than many betas I've used before.
I got used to online banking in Safari :-(
Re: Something else I have noticed...
i am happy to be rid of that feature! IE automatically creates custom icons to downloaded pictures (in the 'data fork' i believe) which adds a lot to the image file size unnecessarily. if you want to see image previews as the icons, then make sure the folders (or desktop) you are downloading the image file to has its view options (in finder, apple-j or 'view'>'show view options') set so the "Show Icon Preview" box is ticked. only, this won't add icons to files when in 'list' view.
hope that helps.
nodmonkey.
i am happy to be rid of that feature! IE automatically creates custom icons to downloaded pictures (in the 'data fork' i believe) which adds a lot to the image file size unnecessarily. if you want to see image previews as the icons, then make sure the folders (or desktop) you are downloading the image file to has its view options (in finder, apple-j or 'view'>'show view options') set so the "Show Icon Preview" box is ticked. only, this won't add icons to files when in 'list' view.
hope that helps.
nodmonkey.
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That is an icon preview that IE tacks on. I happen to like them but the do add quite a bit to the file size (possibly an issue if you plan on uploading them to your web hosting provider?).
In any case there are many programs that will generate them from almost any graphic. Try iView MultiMedia, for instance. I'm sure there are a bunch of drag-and-drop freebies that do the same thing.
What I recommend though is that you have keep a folder with "Show icon preview" turned on (See View > Show View Options in Finder). This will render the thumbnail only when something is dropped in there and don't take up any extra space. That's good because you can also use the same window to choose the size of your preview.
Since most people keep their graphical assets in one place, it makes a pretty good poor-man's organizer.
The other trick is to use iPhoto for that.
As for Wells Fargo. Since they're my bank I tried it out. What you need to do is turn on the debugging menu and the change your browser identity to something like IE for Windows. Don't blame Safari, blame the people who programmed Wells Fargo's website.
The main reason why websites look good on IE is because that is what developers are targetting when they design. IE6 for Windows is so horrible at standards compliance (xHTML DOM, CSS1/2 whathaveyou) that this is now the bottleneck for developers to use the latest standards (it used to be Netscape 4.x). And why should: with 90% of the browser market, the browser wars are dead and no longer a "disruptive technology" in the view of the powers that be at Redmond. Off it goes into obscurity like other hot products of the time like PowerPoint, Stacker, and all the rest.
IE5 for the Mac does render pretty well, however, but it should not be the "benchmark" for Safari: First, Safari reports itself as Mozilla (like-Gecko) so rendering and behaving like IE would run against all those cruddy javascript and server side browser detection scripts out there (The Wells Fargo example above is a case in point). Second, IE5 Mac has its known problems and quirks and is far from perfect. Why duplicate them? Third, Mac users already have IE5 for the Mac. Who needs another IE?
Looking to the future, we shouldn't encourage web developers to "render well in IE" because there will be a lot of things other than IE for Windows using the web: speaking browsers for the blind, your cell phone (WAP, iMode), Your PDA (AvantGo, etc), your telephone via VoiceXML (TellMe and BeVocal), scrapers (Sherlock and Watson), web services (SOAP, XMLRPC, WDDX), and how about just being able to plain print out that web page article without having to download some funkily formatted "printable" web page?
That is an icon preview that IE tacks on. I happen to like them but the do add quite a bit to the file size (possibly an issue if you plan on uploading them to your web hosting provider?).
In any case there are many programs that will generate them from almost any graphic. Try iView MultiMedia, for instance. I'm sure there are a bunch of drag-and-drop freebies that do the same thing.
What I recommend though is that you have keep a folder with "Show icon preview" turned on (See View > Show View Options in Finder). This will render the thumbnail only when something is dropped in there and don't take up any extra space. That's good because you can also use the same window to choose the size of your preview.
Since most people keep their graphical assets in one place, it makes a pretty good poor-man's organizer.
The other trick is to use iPhoto for that.
As for Wells Fargo. Since they're my bank I tried it out. What you need to do is turn on the debugging menu and the change your browser identity to something like IE for Windows. Don't blame Safari, blame the people who programmed Wells Fargo's website.
The main reason why websites look good on IE is because that is what developers are targetting when they design. IE6 for Windows is so horrible at standards compliance (xHTML DOM, CSS1/2 whathaveyou) that this is now the bottleneck for developers to use the latest standards (it used to be Netscape 4.x). And why should: with 90% of the browser market, the browser wars are dead and no longer a "disruptive technology" in the view of the powers that be at Redmond. Off it goes into obscurity like other hot products of the time like PowerPoint, Stacker, and all the rest.
IE5 for the Mac does render pretty well, however, but it should not be the "benchmark" for Safari: First, Safari reports itself as Mozilla (like-Gecko) so rendering and behaving like IE would run against all those cruddy javascript and server side browser detection scripts out there (The Wells Fargo example above is a case in point). Second, IE5 Mac has its known problems and quirks and is far from perfect. Why duplicate them? Third, Mac users already have IE5 for the Mac. Who needs another IE?
Looking to the future, we shouldn't encourage web developers to "render well in IE" because there will be a lot of things other than IE for Windows using the web: speaking browsers for the blind, your cell phone (WAP, iMode), Your PDA (AvantGo, etc), your telephone via VoiceXML (TellMe and BeVocal), scrapers (Sherlock and Watson), web services (SOAP, XMLRPC, WDDX), and how about just being able to plain print out that web page article without having to download some funkily formatted "printable" web page?
software update
I noticed that the Apple site says Safari updates are available via Software Update. I have run SU twice today but didn't get this new build. Did most of you pick it up from SU or did you download directly from the Apple site? I'd hate to think my SU wasn't working.
Otherwise, this version seems quicker to me and I'm sure the less than straight line phenomenon will be sorted quickly.
Go Apple
I noticed that the Apple site says Safari updates are available via Software Update. I have run SU twice today but didn't get this new build. Did most of you pick it up from SU or did you download directly from the Apple site? I'd hate to think my SU wasn't working.
Otherwise, this version seems quicker to me and I'm sure the less than straight line phenomenon will be sorted quickly.
Go Apple
Well, it seems ok....but it's still missing TABS! IMO this is a must have, if they do not include them in the final release then I for one (as well as many others I would think) will be sticking with Chimera, sorry Apple.
I'm glad it now will accept self-signed certificates. (My dumb university's it dept. still hasn't gotten a valid certificate for their secure site)
And something is definitely messed up with the way it's displaying macrumors.
I'm hoping when 1.0 comes out, it will have a more fully developed GUI and much better prefs (4 tabs? Give me a break)
And something is definitely messed up with the way it's displaying macrumors.
I'm hoping when 1.0 comes out, it will have a more fully developed GUI and much better prefs (4 tabs? Give me a break)
Check out the CSSEdge site (linked to from Hyatt's weblog). Safari v60 pretty much aces it, which puts it on a par with Gecko.
I certainly get the forums flaw.
Is anyone using the OS X theme for the forums? I like it, but I there's no link back to the home/index page.
Is anyone using the OS X theme for the forums? I like it, but I there's no link back to the home/index page.
RE: Banking and incompatible browser errors...
I was having the same problem with Wells Fargo Online Banking; not being able to log in. However, if you activate the Debug menu you can tell Safari to appear to be a different browser.
Open the Terminal app and on the command line enter the following command,
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu -boolean yes
then hit return. Close the Terminal app and reload Safari. There should now be a Debug menu on the menu bar. Pull it down to the 'User Agent' submenu and select one of the other browsers. Then try accessing the website again.
I was having the same problem with Wells Fargo Online Banking; not being able to log in. However, if you activate the Debug menu you can tell Safari to appear to be a different browser.
Open the Terminal app and on the command line enter the following command,
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu -boolean yes
then hit return. Close the Terminal app and reload Safari. There should now be a Debug menu on the menu bar. Pull it down to the 'User Agent' submenu and select one of the other browsers. Then try accessing the website again.
jayscheuerle
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Safari's a speedy work in progress, but it isn't close enough to a full feature set to get me to use it. Chimera's close enough in speed and has tabs, etc...
The real kicker is still needing to have I.E. around for tough sites. It really is the compatibility standard against which all other browsers must be judged. I only dig it out in emergencies though...
I feel a little (very little) bad about not using Safari on a regular basis and giving feedback, but its lack of tabs makes it worthless for me and there are plenty of other more obsessed and Apple loyal users out there dishing out feedback with a tenacity that I could never muster.
Usability in the fall I'm hoping...
The real kicker is still needing to have I.E. around for tough sites. It really is the compatibility standard against which all other browsers must be judged. I only dig it out in emergencies though...
I feel a little (very little) bad about not using Safari on a regular basis and giving feedback, but its lack of tabs makes it worthless for me and there are plenty of other more obsessed and Apple loyal users out there dishing out feedback with a tenacity that I could never muster.
Usability in the fall I'm hoping...
As for not lining up...
I am using Mozilla at work and I get the same effect. exactly. I don't usually fidlle with font sizes, and I haven't on this browser, but I do have the system font set to a higher size. So maybe that is the cause.
I am using Mozilla at work and I get the same effect. exactly. I don't usually fidlle with font sizes, and I haven't on this browser, but I do have the system font set to a higher size. So maybe that is the cause.
hummm actually no
I have tested it and not a thing could make me like it more then Chimera or even IE for that matter... Need tab browsing and have really big issues trying to print... can't print the ful doc, only prints the pag you can see.
Still to many issues to be used as the main browser... Chimera rules until now....
G.-
I have tested it and not a thing could make me like it more then Chimera or even IE for that matter... Need tab browsing and have really big issues trying to print... can't print the ful doc, only prints the pag you can see.
Still to many issues to be used as the main browser... Chimera rules until now....
G.-
Your right! waz up with that!
I did notice the Flash improvements!
This site showed a huge difference:
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~pyang/flash/miniputt.swf
v60 seems to have broken css positioning - my journal (dalqe.com) no longer displays correctly. boo.
You guys must type slow... if you hit the enter or return key before the computer can fill in the auto-complete... theres no problem. I do the same in all the other browsers I use, it takes the computer at least 1/2 second to load it.
That's a design element. Yes, there is generally by design a delay before the computer populates the auto-complete, not because it takes that long for the browser to "think" about it (I hope not!), but because a pause by the user indicates indecision, and until there is such a pause the program should and usually does assume the user knows what they're doing.
But, on the other hand, some days I do type slow. When I hand-type a URL (which really isn't very often at all ... 90% of my unlinked URLs come from cut/paste operations, not typing), I routinely hit forward-delete then return.