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Samsung and Apple Executives Discuss Long-Term Component Supply Relationships
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Ninja's vs Cowboys
Ninjas are Japanese as for Apple, they are more hippies than Cowboys.
You recall wrong. Apple orders are around just 4% of Samsung revenue (amounting probably just 1% of the profits - because Samsung sells low profit margin components to Apple). Apple on the other hand has no replacement for Samsung foundry.
It doesn't matter if Apple is in good shape, or not. In this case it's apple, in others there might be some other company that successfully implements something, only to see it copied by everybody else.
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Last I heard, Apple accounts for just under 6%, and of course that's just in Samsung's components business (they also make consumer electronics, appliances, ships, etc.).
Sony is reported to be just behind Apple in total Samsung orders, and right now demand for the types of components Samsung produces greatly outstrips supply, so replacing even a key customer is not likely an insurmountable challenge.
Meanwhile, Apple's experiments with TSMC have had mixed results, with yields far below the levels Apple needs to drive its growth.
Very few companies have a 28nm process, and even fewer have Samsung's yields.
Tim Cook is an undisputed genius with supply chain management. I trust his judgment on this.
Apple should just have a segment in their keynotes that illustrate how other competitors have copied, err i mean closely resemble their products. It would make for an entertaining segment.
"Iphone4S released in October 2011, and look what Samsung released in 2 months after... a voice assistant named Sami"
hmm...
http://youtu.be/pp0HlX1ySGg?t=5m30s
That phone is 6 months old now.
Oh really???
You either
a) have been living under a rock
b) don't have a clue about ice cream sandwich
BTW my next phone, if Nokia oesn't come up with a decent WM7 handset.
Irony
Apple's suing about what it has patent and copyright protection over. If you were in Apple's shoes you wouldn't do likewise? Virtually all that's left after "form" is software. That's not Samsung's domain.
Now there's some cheek, calling others "fanboys" and then making a statement like that.
Absolutely. Doesn't everybody like LEGITIMATE competition? And doesn't everyone want to punish CHEATERS?
Another one of those ironic statements from clibinarius. How did Jesus put it? "Why do you see the speck in your enemy's eye, but not the log in your own eye?"
Are you arguing for the generic nature of Samsung's products, or for their uniqueness? What your "got it covered either way strategy" reveals is that you're a Samsung fanboy regardless: "Either Samsung wins, or Samsung doesn't lose."
You've got to be kidding, right? You're asking how copying hurts the consumer, as it "only" reduces the innovator's advantage to a 6 month window? You honestly believe this wouldn't harm and eventually kill innovators, and therefore innovation? How much do you know about the history of patent law, and why the term of protection was determined to be SEVENTEEN YEARS?
It would be great to see you backing up those words with your other words.
Pot. Kettle. More iron.
Apple's suing about what it has patent and copyright protection over. If you were in Apple's shoes you wouldn't do likewise? Virtually all that's left after "form" is software. That's not Samsung's domain.
Now there's some cheek, calling others "fanboys" and then making a statement like that.
Absolutely. Doesn't everybody like LEGITIMATE competition? And doesn't everyone want to punish CHEATERS?
Another one of those ironic statements from clibinarius. How did Jesus put it? "Why do you see the speck in your enemy's eye, but not the log in your own eye?"
Are you arguing for the generic nature of Samsung's products, or for their uniqueness? What your "got it covered either way strategy" reveals is that you're a Samsung fanboy regardless: "Either Samsung wins, or Samsung doesn't lose."
You've got to be kidding, right? You're asking how copying hurts the consumer, as it "only" reduces the innovator's advantage to a 6 month window? You honestly believe this wouldn't harm and eventually kill innovators, and therefore innovation? How much do you know about the history of patent law, and why the term of protection was determined to be SEVENTEEN YEARS?
It would be great to see you backing up those words with your other words.
Pot. Kettle. More iron.
Aside from all the typical bashing I sincerely hope Tim Cook can be as hard core in negotiations as Jobs was. Otherwise Apple is doomed.
I'm gathering that if you're a huge control-freak and you like to keep tabs on every little things that maybe ITM isn't for you. It sounds a little loose. Maybe I'll just stick with Wireless Sync so I can only sync certain playlists.
Sammy mobile chief just admitted they don't.
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/business/2011/10/19/26/0501000000AEN20111019000200320F.HTML
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1258427/
umm no they did not. I suggest you learn to read and comprehend before you go bashing.
Calm down fanboy, did you read where I said that Samsung in Apples view promotes itself as Apple products? No? No?
Sheesh.
I fail to see why the hatred of Samsung aside from rooting for a team, especially if you don't use Samsung products. You're right, I would sue if I felt it was in my rights. But I also would know its BUSINESS and NOT PERSONAL, unlike most people here. I digress...
Until Apple sets up their own hardware facilities to build their own stuff, as far as I'm concerned, Samsung builds Apple products, and there's little denying that, no matter how much you want to. If Samsung shut down overnight, there'd be no real macbooks, there'd be no iPhones, no iPads, nothing. And no one else has the productive capacity at this time to make the devices. Sony? You are aware that Sony and Samsung share their plants, right? LG? With their low quality displays in Apple products? And do they even make the other components?
I wonder, do you take generic knock off drugs when you get a cold? Why? Oh, but they're legal? Well, that's the thing-the COURTS have to decide on the matter. In the US, Samsung products are legal. Clearly the government isn't filing injunctions at this time. And in Europe, wasn't the ruling over the camera SOFTWARE, not the OS or design?
6 months in phone use is a long advantage. Unless you want to stifle innovation. Why not patent the mobile dual core processor? Maybe Intel can sue their competitors out of existence. I mean, they're not innovating? A 22 nm Dual Core Chip...man. Those ARM designs should be banned.
Pot. Kettle. More Iron. You have no clue what you're talking about.
Looks to me that they're just making sure Apple can't say they're ripping them off. Samsung might not have felt that, say, a swipe was a big deal.
Maybe HP can make WebOS profitable by suing Apple too. I mean, have you looked at Palm OS before WebOS? Apple ripped off A LOT by your standards. Now I think its so generic its fair game. So I see nothing wrong with iOS.
You buy Apple because the products work and work seemlessly. Displaying a graphic doesn't bother me so much aside from how it creates confusion in the marketplace and is therefore, and rightfully, illegal. The fact is, Samsung makes generic products. They have a generic OS, and put together generic hardware. They do a really good job of doing it too. They even put together Apple's hardware. Why is that so hard to admit?
Without Samsung's hardware innovations and production, as I've said, current Apple products would be impossible. Name me ONE hardware innovation that Apple has come up with that it makes itself or invented? You can't. Its because Apple doesn't build the machines, it designs them from parts on the market. And it does a really good job of doing it. But the hardware is insanely generic. ARM based processors. Flash Ram. USB 2. GPS chips. There's NOTHING in here that is NOT generic. So Apple's innovations are almost ALL on the software side, as well as the form factor. And those are GREAT innovations. I like a phone that works well. If Apple went out of business though, it really wouldn't effect the industry too much. The industry would lose a driver of innovation. But it would still exist at the end of the day. If Samsung went out of business, Apple would probably buy it due to the fact without Samsung, Apple would not have any products getting to market within the next year and a half.
That's not being a fanboy. That's reality. If you hate Samsung so much, ask for your Apple product to not contain any Samsung parts.
This was typed on a Macbook Air, read on an iPhone 4s, by the way-I was tempted to get an SII but passed in the end. I am an Apple fanboy I suppose. But I'm not a blind, hate everyone that Apple competes with fanboy. You'd probably boo Bill Gates when he Microsoft saved Apple all those years ago (Remember that incident?).
Also, since you're talking about software elements needed to run, I don't see why they shouldn't be licensed, say, the same way as 3G patents (that Apple needs, mind you, and should be fairly offered to Apple, as the courts ruled).
I'm done posting for now. I feel like a communist getting into arguments with North Koreans about Kim Jong Il in fact NOT being more important to communism than, say, Marx.
Oh, and when you get sick, do yourself a favor and NEVER take the generic. You know, bad for innovation.
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Samsung owns Foxconn??
It's pretty amazing when people deny one extrapolation with one of their own.
