Samsung Display Preparing OLED Orders for 2022 MacBook Pro Models

[jlocker]

I would buy the last of the Intel Gen 11 i9 for a MacBook Pro 16 , so you can use a EGPU with a high end video card, Can run bootcamp, run windows 11 also on it and still have a faster multi-threaded processor with more memory over all for the system.

 

[The Cappy]

Will we have the permanent Dock and menu bar with those models?

Just imagine the potential for image burn in.

 

[Le0M]

"Should I buy the new M1X MBP this fall or wait until the mini LED models in 2022?"

I think that there won't be two different macbook pros: either they'll have led displays, or oled ones. That's how Apple will be able to cut costs in the long run.

 

[Mr. Dee]

That 17 inch is definitely in my future!

 

[entropi]

I believe Apple will let you choose what kind of display: miniled or oled you want during order process. This is already being offered by other manufacturers.

Apple is not that known for "customer choice".... If OLED is the only thing going forward I might have to look elsewhere for a laptop...

 

[Aggedor]

Do OLED Windows laptops have burn in issues?

No (nor do OLED TVs now). They use pixel shifting to prevent burn-in.

 

[applebro]

Bad news for me. I keep my macbooks for a long time. OLEDs don’t have the longevity of LCD as they suffer from burn in.

My 2012 rMBP has burn in. You learn to deal with it lmao

 

[xxray]

For people who say OLED doesn’t get bright enough: all of the OLED iPhone screens get brighter than any of the current Mac screens.

Also, OLED has been on Apple Watch since 2015 and iPhone since 2017 and there’s been no widespread reports of burn-in.

 

[Macalway]

I don't believe this. Until we hear the details this is just a rumor. But I do appreciate how MR makes rumors look like facts. Kudos.

 

[GrumpyCoder]

No (nor do OLED TVs now). They use pixel shifting to prevent burn-in.

Not everyone got the memo:
https://www.avforums.com/threads/post-your-oled-uniformity-photos-and-discuss.2325857/
https://www.avforums.com/threads/oled-screen-burn-permanent-image-retention.2056624/page-227 (200+ pages)
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/ma...n-burn-in-thread-with-photos.2804065/page-241(200+ pages)

iPhone OLED:

Dell laptop OLED:

 

[capamac]

OLED has color shift degradation as well.

IMO OLED is inferior to current backlit LED IPS panels because of this.

OLED - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Gabebear]

You need to wait for micro-LED to be safe(mini-LED is just a stepping stone)

OLED screens are now more durable than when they were first introduced over a decade ago, but OLED screens still probably won't last more than 4-5 years before the blue pixels start fading to a point where it's very noticeable.

Mini LED LCD screens represent the latest LCD screen technology. The best LCD screens are nearly as good in power efficiency, brightness, and gamut as OLED and should work for decades.

MicroLED screens have more in common with OLED than "Mini" LED screens. They are basically the best of all worlds. Better brightness, gamut, efficacy, and longevity than everything else, but currently microLED screens are only used in ultra ULTRA high-end products. Apple has bought several companies working on microLED screens over the last decade... so hopefully we'll see something soon-ish?

 

[wood1208]

We all know the display tech progression is LCD->MiniLED->OLED->QD-OLED->MicroLED. So, Apple will upgrade display in it's products with Samsung's upcoming QD-OLED which will also be used in 2022 TVs released from Samsung.
In 2025 and beyond, Apple and rest of the industry will adopt MicroLED.

 

[bobcomer]

I don't understand why they just don't focus on one type of technology, instead of having to juggle between three. They just released the iPads Pros with mini-LED, and now what, they release new laptops with OLED?
I can't understand the logic here.

Nothing wins in all cases yet, there's plusses and minuses for all 3. Maybe when there's a *cheap* micro-OLED with at least 1000nits brightness, 8K, and beats anything else out there, they'll focus on it.

I have a laptop that's OLED -- it's gorgeous, but heavy and expensive. I have a cheap small laptop with a sucky LED screen. I have an QLED TV that's better than LED, but it's not near as good as OLED, even though OLED isn't as bright, but it is cheaper...

 

[batmanofvietnam]

Oled screens look amazing, the benefits far outweigh the tiny chance of ‘burn in’ -which I have never seen irl despite owning many oled devices. I’m sure apple would replace screens with ridiculous burn in issues like the above posts

 

[capamac]

Oled screens look amazing, the benefits far outweigh the tiny chance of ‘burn in’ -which I have never seen irl despite owning many oled devices. I’m sure apple would replace screens with ridiculous burn in issues like the above posts

Well ... there are a lot of photography video folks out there who rely on >>> precise <<< color accuracy on a display.

PRECISE color.

The sort of folks who will buy a colorimeter to calibrate their screen.

Why buy a laptop if the screen is gonna just fall out of precise specifications in a matter of months or a couple years?

Just because color "looks fine" on OLED doesn't mean it is fine. It's probably way off.

 

[Windoes]

This icon  in the upper left corner as burned-in would be cool anyhow

 

[RalfTheDog]

So it's raster burn for the fail.

 

[Zillio]

You need to wait for micro-LED to be safe(mini-LED is just a stepping stone)

OLED screens are now more durable than when they were first introduced over a decade ago, but OLED screens still probably won't last more than 4-5 years before the blue pixels start fading to a point where it's very noticeable.

Mini LED LCD screens represent the latest LCD screen technology. The best LCD screens are nearly as good in power efficiency, brightness, and gamut as OLED and should work for decades.

MicroLED screens have more in common with OLED than "Mini" LED screens. They are basically the best of all worlds. Better brightness, gamut, efficacy, and longevity than everything else, but currently microLED screens are only used in ultra ULTRA high-end products. Apple has bought several companies working on microLED screens over the last decade... so hopefully we'll see something soon-ish?

With the average expected life span of an iPad or phone I think current OLED tech is fine

 

[thingstoponder]

No (nor do OLED TVs now). They use pixel shifting to prevent burn-in.

Thanks. How does that work?

I’m still skeptical of the long term durability of OLED though. I think they’re rated for like 8 years which isn’t very long. My current MacBook would have a dead screen if it was OLED.

 

[performa_6400]

"Should I buy the new M1X MBP this fall or wait until the mini LED models in 2022?"

Prosser says the 2024 models will be bangin'. In all seriousness, as a designer and photographer I think I'd prefer the mini LED screen in my workstation over the more saturated and higher contrast OLED.

 

[HiRez]

Bad news for me. I keep my macbooks for a long time. OLEDs don’t have the longevity of LCD as they suffer from burn in.

It's true on larger screens, for example I have a 2017 LG OLED panel that definitely has image retention sometimes, can burn in (but hasn't permanently), and does show some blotchiness (degradation). However, I also have an iPhone X bought in the same year with an OLED screen that looks absolutely perfect today. There is no image retention, no burn in, no degradation.

So this is weird, on the one hand I have 1 small OLED screen that looks fantastic and I'd have no hesitations putting into a laptop, on the other hand I have another one that seems to be more delicate and I'd be hesitant to put into something I might keep for 4-8 years. OLED IQ is excellent at its best, but I'd be nervous that issues would appear down the line where you have no option except some ungodly expensive screen replacement, or selling it and buying a new one.

 

[Gabebear]

We all know the display tech progression is LCD->MiniLED->OLED->QD-OLED->MicroLED. So, Apple will upgrade display in it's products with Samsung's upcoming QD-OLED which will also be used in 2022 TVs released from Samsung.
In 2025 and beyond, Apple and rest of the industry will adopt MicroLED.

"QD" stands for "Quantum Dot" which can be applied to all screen types(LCD, OLED, microLED, etc). Quantum Dots are a way to change the frequency of light with near 100% efficiency(i.e. change blue light into red light). This is a boon for all future displays.

The first laptops with quantum dots are just starting to ship and the colors produced with quantum dots is plainly superior to normal LED LCD backlights. I bought a Samsung Chromebook with a QD-LED LCD screen a couple months ago and the screen just looks gorgeous.

For LCD displays quantum dots are a godsend. Normal white LEDs used in a backlight are really blue LEDs doped with phosphorus. Phosphorus doped LEDs work crazy well, but still produces some infra-red and ultraviolet that needs to be filtered so it doesn't damage the LCD. The filters use space and the filtered light is lost. Producing a light that doesn't contain any UV or IR with quantum dots means you don't need filters and you get higher brightness at the same wattage.

 

[terminator-jq]

I doubt it… Apple has put a lot of development into mini LED. Personally I think their timing is off. I can see OLED coming to the MacBook Pros in 2023/2024 for the mid generation refresh along with face-id.

 

[Maconplasma]

I don't understand why they just don't focus on one type of technology, instead of having to juggle between three. They just released the iPads Pros with mini-LED, and now what, they release new laptops with OLED?
I can't understand the logic here.

Mini LED won't be as good as OLED so most likely Apple will offer OLED as an option on the 16" MBP for those who want it since the technology cost more.