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Samsung Expert Says It Only Owes Apple $40 Million in Patent Case, Not $2 Billion

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In the ongoing Samsung vs. Apple lawsuit, experts hired by Samsung took the stand on Monday to explain to the jury why Samsung should only pay Apple $38.4 million in damages for infringing on Apple's patents, rather than the $2 billion Apple says it is owed.

Samsung's paid expert, Judith Chevalier, a professor of economics and finance at the Yale University School of management, said a reasonable royalty on the five patents -- if they were infringed -- would be approximately $1.75 per device, a total of $38.4 million in total damages. Apple had previously argued that it was owed $40 in damages per device.

She also called Apple's patents "very negligible" in value because they were not mentioned as frequently in customer reviews as other features that are not at issue in the case.
Chevalier also pointed to Apple's accounting for each of its annual iOS software updates since 2009, which Apple pegs between "100+" and "200+" new features at each release, and come in at $10 to $25 per device in deferred revenue. Dividing the number of features, Chevalier claimed you could classify these features, on average, as costing 5 to 25 cents per feature.
Following Chevalier's testimony, Samsung rested its defense before starting its own case accusing Apple of infringing on its patents. The trial is expected to conclude and head to jury deliberations sometime next week.

Article Link: Samsung Expert Says It Only Owes Apple $40 Million in Patent Case, Not $2 Billion
 

bwillwall

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Now in select Best Buy stores. Samsung Experts. Samsung, because experts are better than gurus, which are better than geniuses. Buy our **** and have a nice day.
 

Z400Racer37

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Their patents are "negligible" because they weren't mentioned in consumer reviews? This is the criteria that patents supposedly need to meet now? and she teaches at Yale??? Wow.

And if the features were so negligible, then why were they copied?
 

sean21

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I think Samsung should pay over $40 mil but not 2 bil
 
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nzalog

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There might be a conflict of interest there...

I almost had the same reaction reading "Samsung expert says" as I do when I read "industry analysts predict".
 

goobot

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Chevalier also pointed to Apple's accounting for each of its annual iOS software updates since 2009, which Apple pegs between "100+" and "200+" new features at each release, and come in at $10 to $25 per device in deferred revenue. Dividing the number of features, Chevalier claimed you could classify these features, on average, as costing 5 to 25 cents per feature.
Except some features are minor, some are major. Is the new dark green icons in ios 7.1 the same worth as carplay? Not all features were created equal. Trying to group them together is nothing more than lawyer bs.
 

SoAnyway

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Considering how much Samsung copied Apple in terms of mobile phones, $2 billion is probably the base of what Samsung owes.
 

iSRS

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Their patents are "negligible" because they weren't mentioned in consumer reviews? This is the criteria that patents supposedly need to meet now? and she teaches at Yale??? Wow.

And if the features were so negligible, then why were they copied?

No kidding. Because all consumer reviews mention every possible technology.
 

samcraig

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Samsung Expert Says Something That Would Help Keep His Job.

Now in select Best Buy stores. Samsung Experts. Samsung, because experts are better than gurus, which are better than geniuses. Buy our **** and have a nice day.

She's paid good money to spout the Samsung party line. ;)

There might be a conflict of interest there...

I almost had the same reaction reading "Samsung expert says" as I do when I read "industry analysts predict".

Here - enjoy some deeper reading. As if Apple didn't pay for "expert" witnesses either? :confused::rolleyes:

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/08/apple-samsung-2-billion-damages/
 

samcraig

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whatever man, Apple experts did it out of the goodness of their hearts



or a case of hotpockets

I know, right?

I just love when it's so obvious what people's biases are because they lack reading comprehension - or simply ignore stories which goes against their belief system.
 

iZac

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Forgive me that I haven't been following this ongoing saga, but it's pretty bad that out the gate you admit you're wrong and immediately concede to fight about how much you were wrong.
 

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Forgive me that I haven't been following this ongoing saga, but it's pretty bad that out the gate you admit you're wrong and immediately concede to fight about how much you were wrong.

They didn't, the court already ruled against samsung, now they are just debating how much the settlement should be.
 

Imhotep397

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Considering how much Samsung copied Apple in terms of mobile phones, $2 billion is probably the base of what Samsung owes.

Considering Apple made the current smart phone industry what it is (grudgingly) $2B is a pretty small number.
 
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