Just ignore him. His goal is to derail any threads where Samsung comes out on top. He did the same in the camera thread where the S6 beat the iPhone.Here's another list of most innovative companies as defined by some impartial inter-webs site. Do I win too because I found a website that supports my view?
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-innovative-company-not-apple-2015-6
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Filing patents doesn't mean innovation though. Companies like Apple and Samsung are notorious for filing patents to protect technologies and this is often done even when very little development has taken place. It's to future proof and is something both have abused in recent years. They also had an unpleasant knack of ignoring patents filed by each other and then attempting to make a complete mockery of the system by bullying each other through the courts. Thankfully this has slowed down in recent years.Here's another list of most innovative companies as defined by some impartial inter-webs website. Do I win because I found a website that supports my view too? Something tells me when you were on your little adventure to find a list of most innovative companies, you saw this list and quickly ignored it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-innovative-company-not-apple-2015-6
Rather than focusing on each other's disrespect for the law, they've finally got back to the type of innovative services we consumers need to see.
I agree on many levels. I think all the major players are considered 'copy cats' because we have reached a point where ideas have to be taken off each other. The consumer market has demands and gone are the days of the major manufacturers being able to ignore that. Samsung are the most successful Android OEM and their innovation has been mostly focussed around hardware. They have less focus on the OS because it is a service provided to them to which they develop their own custom skin for. We get so caught up praising or condemning companies for using other manufacturers components, we often forget software is also part of that.
Personally I think it is a formula that works on many levels.
Here's another list of most innovative companies as defined by some impartial inter-webs website. Do I win because I found a website that supports my view too? Something tells me when you were on your little adventure to find a list of most innovative companies, you saw this list and quickly ignored it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-innovative-company-not-apple-2015-6
Yes you win.
Forbes is a fairly impartial and well known website. Neither Apple not Samsung make the list.
Maybe what Samsung does is not innovation but invention.
I think Samsung does both. I think they invent and innovate. They manufacture and fab most if their own products and for others as well.
I don't know how certain apple fans that hate samsung deal with the fact that their iPhones (and other apple products) have Samsung in them.
Or are they going to use the old, "well Samsung is good at just the things it does for apple" argument?
Or are they going to use the old, "well Samsung is good at just the things it does for apple" argument?
I think hating Samsung products intended for end customer use (Eg Samsung phones) is different from hating Samsung products that are used in non Samsung products.
I hear ya. But I'm genuinely curious:
What's the angle though for them to only hate Samsung for their end consumer products? Because they copied the iPhone? The iPhone copied samsung too over time, and others. Why not the same effect when it comes to apple for these people?
and Samsung makes many end consumer products, no? TVs. Washing machines. Etc.
Is the hate for Samsung equally distributed over those products?
What if people found out that the components Samsung uses in iPhones were also copied say from a different chip maker but because copyright laws aren't as up held outside the USA (or at least in Asia) we never heard about it. Would that suddely make those fans hate their own apple products with Samsung parts in them?
I'm not asking you in particular, but just throwing the questions out there to better understand these apple fans' disdain for a company that apple is so deeply in bed with.
No you completely missed the point I was making. I said 'best' is subjective and it always has been as far as I am concerned. I have no problem with you claiming the S6 is the best smartphone but my point is it is an opinion that not everybody will share. I have an iPhone because I prefer iOS over any Android skin I've ever used, especially TouchWiz and that for me is more important than any hardware a device boasts. For others it's perhaps different and that is absolutely acceptable because the market offers options.
The iPhone was considered the best for so long because there was nothing close to competing with it. Now we have a mass of alternatives including the S6. Why do you seek that everybody agrees with your version of 'best'?
1) I never said everyone has to agree with what I think is the best.
2) more than just one person is saying the s6 is the best.
3) yes I agree there are way more and better options than the iPhone out there today. And thats why the iphone isn't the best anymore. You seem to have a problem admitting this despite the wave of evidence and testing (screen, camera, etc).
But even if this sort of competition was present before, somehow I don't think you'd be championing "subjectivity" so much in the face of labeling iPhone the best. If someone said the iPhone is the best, somehow, I think you'd just agree.
Call it a wild hunch.
Serious question to the-real-deal...
Given what you said, can we call nothing best anymore? Sure there's best subjectively, like what's best for me may not be the best for you. Of course. A guy who needs a durable water proof smartphone cause he works in say construction will find the s6 active or whatever best for him. We all get that.
But can there not be an objective best, too? I mean what's the point of camera comparisons or tests of screens, and benchmarks and al the plethora of other measuresments. Are those all entirely irrelevant? Do they not offer any sort of value in assessment?
Why are people suddenly so afraid of saying something is best now? What a coincidence that now that iPhone isn't at top of their game on various fronts, we have a huge problem with the idea of "best". We have to now invoke subjectivity (which is a whole different thing). If all we have to go by is subjectivity, then what's the point of any of these discussions? Thats not to say subjectivity doesn't exist or isn't useful. But its also not the only thing that can be discussed.
Look at i7guy... Look how desparetly he clung to one link in the camera thread. The measures he took to visit the Samsung kiosk, the constant maneuvering he had to do to avoid admitting that the s6 has a better camera. By claiming it still isn't perfect (straw man), by saying it doesn't mean the iPhone 6 back camera is bad (who in their right mind said that?), etc.
Look at the measures he'll go through to avoid saying something is best/better than the iPhone. Over the course of many pages. On and on, trying.
As an apple fan, you should be embarrassed by such insecure behavior.
And as a tech enthusiasts, you shouldn't be afraid to say something is the best. Samsung is truly the best at many things. The iPhone is still best at many things too.
It's okay. We can use the word, best.
Given what you said, can we call nothing best anymore? Sure there's best subjectively, like what's best for me may not be the best for you. Of course. A guy who needs a durable water proof smartphone cause he works in say construction will find the s6 active or whatever best for him. We all get that.
But can there not be an objective best, too? I mean what's the point of camera comparisons or tests of screens, and benchmarks and al the plethora of other measuresments. Are those all entirely irrelevant? Do they not offer any sort of value in assessment?
Why are people suddenly so afraid of saying something is best now? What a coincidence that now that iPhone isn't at top of their game on various fronts, we have a huge problem with the idea of "best". We have to now invoke subjectivity (which is a whole different thing). If all we have to go by is subjectivity, then what's the point of any of these discussions? Thats not to say subjectivity doesn't exist or isn't useful. But its also not the only thing that can be discussed.
Look at i7guy... Look how desparetly he clung to one link in the camera thread. The measures he took to visit the Samsung kiosk, the constant maneuvering he had to do to avoid admitting that the s6 has a better camera. By claiming it still isn't perfect (straw man), by saying it doesn't mean the iPhone 6 back camera is bad (who in their right mind said that?), etc.
Look at the measures he'll go through to avoid saying something is best/better than the iPhone. Over the course of many pages. On and on, trying.
As an apple fan, you should be embarrassed by such insecure behavior.
And as a tech enthusiasts, you shouldn't be afraid to say something is the best. Samsung is truly the best at many things. The iPhone is still best at many things too.
It's okay. We can use the word, best.
You do know you opened the door to turn this into another vs thread.
Personally I like their tvs, don't like their refrigerators or phones and done care that Apple hardware is produced from a mixture of components including Samsung.
What? Still can't get over that s6 camera was beaten by the i6 camera in certain situations?
Its a bit TLDR but if your point is that Samsung phone is objectively "the best," I think there are legitimate reasons for disagreement.
There is no perfect phone. But the general consensus of tech reviewers and respected blog sites is the S6 is the best all around smartphone. There has been enough evidence in multiple threads to back that up if you care to look.
Let's not forget about the screen also.now that Samsung has surpassed the best screens and the top of the food chain the iPhone screen we have a new segment all of a sudden...like the iPhone has the best "lcd" screen but why didn't have the best amoled screen when it was going up against lcds?
It should be the gs6 has the best screen period.
Really not sure why a handful of people on this thread seem so determined to have others admit that a phone other than the iPhone is the best phone--some sort of moral victory that important to justify one's own personal choice in device? So let's say the Samsung Galaxy S6 wins some imaginary 'best smartphone' award because is checks the most 'best' boxes in a virtual report card. Why does it matter? And I'm not saying this to pick on Samsung--I'd say exactly the same if we were talking about any other phone, including the iPhone.
Using an 'objective' checklist, sure, the S6 is the 'best overall smartphone'. Reality is though that real world everyday use and personal preference so often don't coincide with these virtual grades. I can admit that the display on the S6 is exceptional, likely the best to be found, and that it now has the best overall camera on a flagship smartphone. But from my perspective, what good are these if I find the software and user experience so unpalatable? Point is that this one element ruins the stellar aspects, so much so that they're not enough to overcome the shortcomings. So, in my eyes, all that great hardware is wasted. That's why this 'Best Overall Smartphone' claim is next to useless. It's using some arbitrary measurements that some tech site or blog has decided are the important aspects but in reality, smartphone value is going to change with every single individual.
And so yet again, we've taken yet another thread and turned it into a Samsung/Apple comparison.
So here's my feeble attempt to right the ship:
Yes, Samsung is working hard to innovate on the smartphone front. IMO, it's almost all entirely on the hardware front--displays, CPU, memory and storage--Samsung is pushing the performance boundaries (though not sure this is actually truly innovation but rather, pushing progression). The point I was trying make way back when the thread first started was that I wish they would put this same effort into their software and user experience, because THAT would truly be a scary prospect for other smartphone makers, especially Apple.
Using an 'objective' checklist, sure, the S6 is the 'best overall smartphone'. Reality is though that real world everyday use and personal preference so often don't coincide with these virtual grades. I can admit that the display on the S6 is exceptional, likely the best to be found, and that it now has the best overall camera on a flagship smartphone. But from my perspective, what good are these if I find the software and user experience so unpalatable? Point is that this one element ruins the stellar aspects, so much so that they're not enough to overcome the shortcomings. So, in my eyes, all that great hardware is wasted. That's why this 'Best Overall Smartphone' claim is next to useless. It's using some arbitrary measurements that some tech site or blog has decided are the important aspects but in reality, smartphone value is going to change with every single individual.
And so yet again, we've taken yet another thread and turned it into a Samsung/Apple comparison.
So here's my feeble attempt to right the ship:
Yes, Samsung is working hard to innovate on the smartphone front. IMO, it's almost all entirely on the hardware front--displays, CPU, memory and storage--Samsung is pushing the performance boundaries (though not sure this is actually truly innovation but rather, pushing progression). The point I was trying make way back when the thread first started was that I wish they would put this same effort into their software and user experience, because THAT would truly be a scary prospect for other smartphone makers, especially Apple.
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Sales numbers seem to indicate that consumers prefer the iPhone.
That's what matters most for the respective companies, I think.
I personally have a Samsung phone but I don't use it anymore because it is not useful for me.
We all make our choices for different reasons. But please explain why sales means it's better? Doesn't Android outsell IOS? Does that make it better by your standards?
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