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Samsung lies about best selling smartphone

LSUtigers03 said:
This is also something that is misleading but still isn't a lie. Just because AT&T hasn't sold a phone yet does that mean that Samsung didn't sell it to AT&T? Apple's way of reporting sales is more accurate but a phone sitting in a carrier's inventory is a sale for the manufacturer.
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This is true but if you are a shareholder, channel inventory is very interesting to you for a couple of reasons. First if sell through is not good, you may be facing a fire sales situation later and that effects the uptake of new products (HP TouchPad anyone?). This is clearly not the case for the S3 and Samsung.

The other big reason its interesting is end of life which impacts margins, unless that channel inventory is close to zero, mfrs offer unnatural margin sacrifices and programs which hit the bottom line negatively, all in order to pave the way for the S4 or whatever comes next.

One other issue is terms for the channel, some channel partners have very advantageous terms which effectively make an overstock situation a return in the making, Sarbanes Oxley kind of addressed this with revenue recognition rules for US companies, but many other markets do not have those rules.
 
I write this stuff off to standard marking BS. Apple is pretty bad at it and has gotten to the point they flat out lied and ended up pulling ads in the past in fear of getting slammed with false advertisements.
 
bbeagle said:
I'm not saying the 4s is the best selling smartphone, I'm saying that the Samsung Galaxy S3 is DEFINITELY NOT. Do you dispute this?

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This is completely different.

If your song, book or movie hits #1 on the charts in a single week, you can always claim it as a '#1 best seller' and people know what you're talking about. The same doesn't apply to cell phones.

If it did, I guess we can put the title of '#1 best seller' on all the smart phones.
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Your rationale is flawed. You can't say what smartphone is the best seller because YOU don't have the numbers. And not sure why people are using thr 30 million number for the S3. That's 2 month old data. For all we know Samsung sold 31 million or 100 million S3's in 2012. And we also have no idea how many iphone 5's were sold.

What difference does any of this make anyways. You make it sound like Apple doesn't do this exact same thing. They have flat out lied about several things to customers ranging from itunes security practices to where apps they use have come from. Hell, the last two key notes regarding ios 5 and 6 have been full have half-truths and lies and convenient ommissions.

But Samsung making a claim that the S3 is the #1 sellung smartphone is what gets your panties in a bunch? (And for all we know, it is true? But you fans of Apple can't fathom how anything other than an iphone can be #1? Got news for you. Outside the US, iphones have miniscule marketshare.)
 
siiip5 said:
Your rationale is flawed. You can't say what smartphone is the best seller because YOU don't have the numbers. And not sure why people are using thr 30 million number for the S3. That's 2 month old data. For all we know Samsung sold 31 million or 100 million S3's in 2012. And we also have no idea how many iphone 5's were sold.

What difference does any of this make anyways. You make it sound like Apple doesn't do this exact same thing. They have flat out lied about several things to customers ranging from itunes security practices to where apps they use have come from. Hell, the last two key notes regarding ios 5 and 6 have been full have half-truths and lies and convenient ommissions.

But Samsung making a claim that the S3 is the #1 sellung smartphone is what gets your panties in a bunch? (And for all we know, it is true? But you fans of Apple can't fathom how anything other than an iphone can be #1? Got news for you. Outside the US, iphones have miniscule marketshare.)
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Prove your numbers for that.

The GS3 is not the best selling smartphone. iPhone is. People are using the 30 million number because THAT'S WHAT SAMSUNG CLAIMED. They used that number. Not me, not you, not the OP. SAMSUNG. Apple also posted numbers, 37 million iPhone 4S units sold in first quarter. And this was around the same time and it's quite obvious. Everywhere I go, I see more iPhones than even Androids.
 
bbeagle said:
According to this article, the Samsung Galaxy S3 has just sold over 30 million units.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-sales-top-30m-units



Only it's not.... the iPhone 4s sold 37 million just in its first quarter. And the iPhone 5 is projected to have sold 58 million+ just in 2012.

Why does Samsung have to lie?
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They said the same thing in their keynote at CES yesterday. Made me laugh.

Don't forget, Apple has also said iOS is the most advanced mobile OS ;)
 
SnowLeopard2008 said:
Prove your numbers for that.

The GS3 is not the best selling smartphone. iPhone is. People are using the 30 million number because THAT'S WHAT SAMSUNG CLAIMED. They used that number. Not me, not you, not the OP. SAMSUNG. Apple also posted numbers, 37 million iPhone 4S units sold in first quarter. And this was around the same time and it's quite obvious. Everywhere I go, I see more iPhones than even Androids.
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Google is your friend. I don't have to prove what is publicly available data.

And by the way, Apple didn't sell 37 million iphone 4S's in any quarter, much less its first. Apple sold 37 million iphones COMBINED in Q1 2012. This doesn't take a phd to figure out. Hell Apple couldn't even sell 30 million iPhones combined in several quarters last year. Samsung did that with ease, usually selling twice the numbet of phones Apple did.

As for Samsung claiming 30 million S3's sold, they released that data at the end of October or first week of November. If they or Apple were to announce official figures for 2012, just days before earning reports, the stock markets would go nuts.
 
Samsung certainly maximizes manipulation of the lax corporate disclosure requirements of Korea.

However, when Apple forced Samsung to reveal their real USDM sales figures in the $1 billion lawsuit, the real sales were beyond pathetic and a miniscule fraction of what they were boasting in their press releases.
 
siiip5 said:
Hell Apple couldn't even sell 30 million iPhones combined in several quarters last year. Samsung did that with ease, usually selling twice the numbet of phones Apple did.
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No, Samsung didn't. They sold cheap phones, not their smartphones in huge numbers. The entire sales of the Galaxy S2 were far less than 30 million.
 
Technarchy said:
Samsung certainly maximizes manipulation of the lax corporate disclosure requirements of Korea.

However, when Apple forced Samsung to reveal their real USDM sales figures in the $1 billion lawsuit, the real sales were beyond pathetic and a miniscule fraction of what they were boasting in their press releases.
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Because we all know that the USA = The Entire World. Right? :rolleyes: This line of thinking by most Americans is ridiculous. You do know there are billions of people that don't live in the US, right?
Additionally, Samsung released what was required by the SEC. I wonder why the figures were low? Might have something to do with trying to show copying Apples initial designs didn't help them in the US market, as Apple was contending? Hmmmm....
 
bbeagle said:
No, Samsung didn't. They sold cheap phones, not their smartphones in huge numbers. The entire sales of the Galaxy S2 were far less than 30 million.
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You may want to look up what you are saying here, before saying it. There are a ton of S2 variations throughout the world, and not all were called an S2 either. Samsung didn't unify a worldwide phone until the Note, S3 and now Note2. The Nexus brand does not count.

And last, the numbers given of 50+ million phones sold by Samsung are smartphones. Although, the def of a smartphone leaves much to the imagination. For instance, I wouldn't consider the iphone a smartphone until it is jailbroken. It's to limited in what it can do otherwise.
 
siiip5 said:
Because we all know that the USA = The Entire World. Right? :rolleyes: This line of thinking by most Americans is ridiculous. You do know there are billions of people that don't live in the US, right?
Additionally, Samsung released what was required by the SEC. I wonder why the figures were low? Might have something to do with trying to show copying Apples initial designs didn't help them in the US market, as Apple was contending? Hmmmm....
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Sadly, you'll have absolutely no way of validating your theories because Samsung is notorious for releasing fugazi figures and there is no governing body under which they operate which forces them to release real sales figures.

At least in the USA we can extrapolate some real sales clarity with quarterly numbers released by the carriers and Apple directly, all of which say without question that Apple kills everyone when it comes to smartphone sales.
 
Technarchy said:
Sadly, you'll have absolutely no way of validating your theories because Samsung is notorious for releasing fugazi figures and there is no governing body under which they operate which forces them to release real sales figures.

At least in the USA we can extrapolate some real sales clarity with quarterly numbers released by the carriers and Apple directly, all of which say without question that Apple kills everyone when it comes to smartphone sales.
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You make it sound like it is impossible for carriers and retail outlets throughout the US to report sell through numbers of individual sku codes for Samsung models? Yet, they have no problem doing so with Apple products. Do you see an issue with your line of thinking? Or, are you so close to 1 Infinite Loop, that you can't use Google to do a search?

And Apple kills everyone when it comes to smartphone sales? Care to make a wager on that statement? Lets look at worldwide marketshare for Samsung and Apple on the sales of smartphones (even though I don't classify an iphone as such, but neither are some of Samsungs 'smartphones'.)

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And for those wondering about S2 sales, these are just a few of the variations of the S2;
S2 Duos, S2 (att), S2 (boost mobile), S2 (tmob), S2 (Sprint), S2 (int'l), S2 4g, S2 HD, S2 Plus, S2 Skyrocket (att), S2 X, Epic 4g, Epic 4g 2, Epic 4g Touch.

Just ridiculous how each carrier throughout the world wanted a seperate variation of the S2.
 
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siiip5 said:
You make it sound like it is impossible for carriers and retail outlets throughout the US to report sell through numbers of individual sku codes for Samsung models?
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Don't need to. It's basic algebra

If Apple sales tend to be > than 50% per carrier than all cumulative competing device sales are < 50%, meaning Apple wins.

And I don't care about the largely 3rd world that thrives on junk devices.

The USA is still the most significant market.

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Technarchy said:
Don't need to. It's basic algebra

If Apple sales tend to be > than 50% per carrier than all cumulative competing device sales are < 50%, meaning Apple wins.

And I don't care about the largely 3rd world that thrives on junk devices.

The USA is still the most significant market.

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Only one small problem with your graph. It has nothing to do with smartphone sales or marketshare. It shows revenue based on app sales.

Here, have a nice read and I'm sure you can figure it out; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/samsung-market-share-iphone_n_2406515.html

And another: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324391104578230060513922882.html
 
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thehustleman said:
How are they Apple wannabes when they do things BEFORE Apple?

Panoramic camera, taking pictures while shooting video, and some still hasn't caught up with nfc.

In fact, when was the last time Apple brought a new feature to the iphone?

Maybe it wasn't the best selling, who cares when it's the best?
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Notice the :p at the end....
 
Well if you want a phone that runs iOS you have to buy an iPhone. If you want a phone that runs android, even at the top of the line price point you have several choices from different manufacturers. So why are these numbers a surprise?
 
siiip5 said:
I wouldn't consider the iphone a smartphone until it is jailbroken. It's to limited in what it can do otherwise.
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Unless a phone can do everything a computer can do, it's not a smartphone? What a narrow definition.

I used flip-phones for 10 years before getting an iPhone. There is a HUGE difference. If you want to split hairs, you're not looking at this objectively.

A 12" B&W picture-tube TV set and a 90" HDTV plasma are both TVs. I would treat those differently, but a 52" LED vs. a 50" Plasma, although completely different, don't split hairs on those.
 
I have no problem with the fact that companies massage their sales figures, TBH, it makes no difference to me, I don't have any shares, it is a part of business, most do it, I have no doubt that Samsung do, but on the other hand there's no doubt in my mind that so do Apple.
 
siiip5 said:
Only one small problem with your graph. It has nothing to do with smartphone sales or marketshare. It shows revenue based on app sales.

Here, have a nice read and I'm sure you can figure it out; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/samsung-market-share-iphone_n_2406515.html

And another: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324391104578230060513922882.html
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From the wsj article:
In the 2012 third quarter, Apple held only 14.6% of worldwide smartphone shipments, down from a peak of 23% in the fourth quarter of 2011 and the first quarter of 2012, according to IDC.

Samsung Electronics Co.'s share, meanwhile, rose from 8.8% to 31.3% from the third quarter of 2010 to the third quarter of 2012.
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But as long as "everyone I see around me has an iPhone" it must be the world-wide best-seller! ;)




Michael
 
Tinmania said:
From the wsj article:


But as long as "everyone I see around me has an iPhone" it must be the world-wide best-seller! ;)




Michael
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LOL. I know. Unfortunately, it is an American mentality that the world revolves around one country. Every other country and people are fictitious. I'm not saying all Americans, but quite a few do. And for the record, I am American, I just happen to have spent many years in Europe and the middle east for work.
 
siiip5 said:
Google is your friend. I don't have to prove what is publicly available data.

And by the way, Apple didn't sell 37 million iphone 4S's in any quarter, much less its first. Apple sold 37 million iphones COMBINED in Q1 2012. This doesn't take a phd to figure out. Hell Apple couldn't even sell 30 million iPhones combined in several quarters last year. Samsung did that with ease, usually selling twice the numbet of phones Apple did.

As for Samsung claiming 30 million S3's sold, they released that data at the end of October or first week of November. If they or Apple were to announce official figures for 2012, just days before earning reports, the stock markets would go nuts.
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Well I'm not going to verify every number claimed by the various posts. It really doesn't take any degree to figure out that selling 30 million smartphones does not make it the best selling smartphone. Apple routinely sells more than 30 million units of a single model (4, 4S, 5, etc.).

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Tinmania said:
I'm sorry but that is just hysterical. :D




Michael
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Yea, seeing ignorant posts like yours and many others is pretty hysterical. It literally proves that ignorance is bliss.
 
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