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Ahh, this thread (/these threads) bring back memories of the threads about how Apple should support Blu-ray movie playback. Page after page of the same arguments being made and re-made (I include myself in that!!).

Many will disagree with me I'm sure, but Apple was and is wrong about Blu-ray, and they're even more wrong about this if they remove the headphone jack socket.

The first mac I bought after Blu-ray launched is now 'vintage' (i.e. not capable of running any supported version of OS X), and yet I am still buying Blu-ray discs, because they are still better than most online video is, on numerous levels. I'm pretty sure I, and many people, will be still be happily using standard 3.5mm jack headphones once the iPhone 7 has been long discontinued - this is why removing the headphone jack socket now is way, way too soon, if it should even happen at all in the near-to-mid term (like a decade or so or maybe even longer).

All it will achieve is make the iPhone a less attractive product.

Apple saved a lot of headaches and sleepless nights. Customers agree.
 
I love Apple and will surely be jumping back in for the 2017 iPhone. But this year for me will be all about the Note 7. The phone looks amazing.

I've got another year to wait until I upgrade. I go for a 2 year cycle but if Apple don't offer an audio jack, my current iPhone will be the last I buy.

This is from somebody who genuinely loves Apple gear. I've had three laptops up to now. I've convinced my entire family to switch over the years and everything in my home is Apple. (iPads, iPods, iPhones, MacBooks, network gear, Apple TV's, etc...), but I'm prepared to switch to another platform for this (paid apps and all), if this is the direction Apple are taking.
 
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I've got another year to wait until I upgrade. I go for a 2 year cycle but if Apple don't offer an audio jack, my current iPhone will be the last I buy.

This is from somebody who genuinely loves Apple gear. I've had three laptops up to now. I've convinced my entire family to switch over the years and everything in my home is Apple. (iPads, iPods, iPhones, MacBooks, network gear, Apple TV's, etc...), but I'm prepared to switch to another platform for this (paid apps and all), if this is the direction Apple are taking.


Yeah if you're looking to try another phone that isn't an iPhone within the next 2 months the Android heavy hitters will be arriving. I actually think the Moto Z Force Droid with mods looks great if you have Verizon, which just came out (although they did get rid of the headphone jack too). But yeah the Note 7, along with the new Nexus Devices by HTC should provide some nice competition to the iPhone 7.
 
This is going to suck for me because I still use an old cassette tape adapter in my car. The removal of the headphone jack means I won't be able to listen to music and charge my phone at the same time. I don't want to buy a new stereo system for my car since the current one works just fine. Long trips are going to suck having to take breaks from music to charge my phone.

This decision by Apple has me seriously looking at other phones for the first time since the iPhone's launch in '07.

Yes that's right, it hasn't occured to anyone at Apple ever, even since these rumors started, that by doing this customers won't be able to charge their phones while listening to music. You're the first person to ever make this observation since these rumors started. If only Apple had you on their payroll. And now it's too late for Aple to respond to this problem. /s

By the way, if the headphone jack is your primary concern from a mobile phone, you may only have about a year before all flagship phones drop them. But who knows maybe you'll enjoy using Android more than you do iOS.
 
5 years from now, will this be Samsung's Ballmer moment?


He wasn't that wrong though. He didn't say it wouldn't sell but suggested business customers wouldn't adopt it for that price.

Only now businesses are just starting to adopt iPhone as a phone of choice. (Just 2 years ago I was still given a Blackberry and only this year my company is offering iPhones.

Also keep in mind, that was almost 10 years ago so as much as I dislike Ballmer, we was quite accurate.
 
Funny, Samsung already beat them to that too, with their wireless ear buds, with charging case.

I don't care. They'll still have the last laugh.

Oh and watch Samsung remove the headphone jack when they release the next phone, whatever that may be.

"Who needs a headphone jack anymore" they'll say.
 
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How do you know when you haven't seen the innovations that the digital port has enabled?
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That's how USB/Lightning headphones work too.

Sorry your right further constraint was required.

That i already own and work just fine and suit my needs perfectly.

There we go all fixed.

I am truly not trying to be stuck in the past i think a single port ultra book laptop is the way to go in the future. I just have a hard time justifying replacing 500 dollar ear buds cause apple says i should. I am not getting a cleaner look on my desk. I am not getting a smother operation. I am not getting more portability I am not getting anything other than buy new or use a ****** dongle.
 
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Sorry your right further constraint was required.

That i already own and work just fine and suit my needs perfectly.

There we go all fixed.

I am truly not trying to be stuck in the past i think a single port ultra book laptop is the way to go in the future. I just have a hard time justifying replacing 500 dollar ear buds cause apple says i should. I am not getting a cleaner look on my desk. I am not getting a smother operation. I am not getting more portability I am not getting anything other than buy new or use a ****** dongle.

People already buy lots of wireless headphones, so Apple is not forcing anything. People had that choice for years regardless of 3.5 mm jack being on a phone or not. I personally am sick of all the wires dangling.
 
People already buy lots of wireless headphones, so Apple is not forcing anything. People had that choice for years regardless of 3.5 mm jack being on a phone or not. I personally am sick of all the wires dangling.

Yeah and you can use BT with out removing the headphone jack it is not a binary situation. We can all live in perfect harmony. I have a set of BT i use on the treadmill. When i am at work i wire up on my desk.

When i am in a late model car i wire up to play songs or podcasts.

so i thin it just not time yet to say good bye or they should have started offering the dongle with enhanced sound quality last year as a add on to get people in the mindset and sold on going this way before yanking the carpet.
 
I don't think you or most people understand the reasons behind moving away from the 50 year old technology of the 3.5mm analog headphone jack. All music files played on any handheld device today are digital. The audio jack requires an analog output, so every device has to have a digital to analog converter chip to convert the file on the fly. It makes sense to just keep the flow of digital to digital. And the biggest port now on any device is the audio jack, so it limits the size to which a device can be manufactured. So why should we stick with 50 year old technology and limit the size of our devices, just for nostalgia? Heck, let's just put the 8mm headphone jack on there too. When you have a look at old pc laptops of the 90's and see the massive serial ports on the back, you cringe. The same will go for the headphone jack.

While you're not wrong, there are other things that use the 3.5mm audio jack besides just headphones. For instance, Square card readers, Aux cables to connect to your car's audio system. Sure, I can just buy a new car or radio that has Bluetooth, but after buying a new phone, some folks may not have that choice. There are also dongles like the LuMu light meters used by photographers and so on. So the problem isn't limited to just music fans with headphones. It's a problem for businesses, photographers and anyone else who uses devices that rely on that port. Imagine you're a company who uses something like Square and either you or you're employee have to purchase one phone or a batch of new phones for their job. NOW on top of that phone purchase they "may" (depends what Apple announces) have to buy an adapter to use their accessory. To make matters worse, some businesses that set up shop at like fairs or other events tend to plug their phones in while using mobile payments, so they don't die from repeated use. Assuming Apple is nice enough to give you an adapter, that adapter most likely won't have a dual port (i.e. a port for the 3.5mm jack AND charging cable). This leave two other scenarios, one in which the customer MUST BUY YET ANOTHER accessory that does have two ports for both the 3.5mm jack and the charging cord that plugs into the iPhone OR they have to make a choice, charge your device or use the jack to accept payments. That's not fair to them.

Either way, I get your point, this is a progressive step in technology, but it's more than just an slight inconvenience for customers, it's also going to turn into an unneeded expense. If this decision was made to allow the iPhone to be thinner, then screw Apple. People don't need their devices to be any thinner. I've seen the polls here and on other sites that suggest people are in favor of bigger batteries over thinness. If Samsung can make their Note 7 and S7 as thin as they are, with bigger batteries than the iPhone AND on top of that, make their phones water and dust proof, then Apple is just full of lies and deception. This decision, coupled with the idea that the new iPhone 7 (or whatever it will be called) design, could really back fire with sales this year into next year. Personally, as an Apple fan, I hope it does backfire and Apple has to do a reality check and realize they need to go back to innovation and not just evolution.
 
Yeah and you can use BT with out removing the headphone jack it is not a binary situation. We can all live in perfect harmony. I have a set of BT i use on the treadmill. When i am at work i wire up on my desk.

When i am in a late model car i wire up to play songs or podcasts.

so i thin it just not time yet to say good bye or they should have started offering the dongle with enhanced sound quality last year as a add on to get people in the mindset and sold on going this way before yanking the carpet.

In tech usually you can have just one or the other - not both, otherwise we will never drop it. Not this year someone will say and then come next year same old song will be played. I personally said goodbye to wired headphones years ago.
 
Yeah and you can use BT with out removing the headphone jack it is not a binary situation. We can all live in perfect harmony. I have a set of BT i use on the treadmill. When i am at work i wire up on my desk.

When i am in a late model car i wire up to play songs or podcasts.

so i thin it just not time yet to say good bye or they should have started offering the dongle with enhanced sound quality last year as a add on to get people in the mindset and sold on going this way before yanking the carpet.

So you have proprietary knowledge of Apple's plans? You know for a fact that the headphone jack doesn't need to Ben emoted to accomodate some other feature or purpose?

When you say "late" model car, just how far back are you extending that definition? I rent "late" model cars all the time and they all have USB ports, and/or BT. Recently I rented a car that was at least 5 years old, which only had a 3.5mm Jack. I had no cable with which to connect to it, nor could I easily find one to buy at a convenience store, but that same store had several choices of Lightning cables.

The reality is, it's the perfect time to drop the headphone jack before people invest in more equipment that won't be optimal in the future. The average person plugs their headphones into primarily digital devices like iPhones, computers, and digital AV systems in cars and planes. Even new home stereos come with USB ports and Bluetooth. At some point it makes sense to convert to the same interface method as everything else with those devices, especially as most of these device become increasingly smaller and mobile.
 
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I don't care. They'll still have the last laugh.

Oh and watch Samsung remove the headphone jack when they release the next phone, whatever that may be.

"Who needs a headphone jack anymore" they'll say.

Why would Apple have the last laugh? As with most of their phones over the past 3+ years, most of the features they've added Android and Samsung devices have already had. Notification drop down, customized keyboards, dual flashes, real live wallpapers, Finger Print Scanners (yeah, the Motorola Atrix beat Apple to it), multi-taking, split screen, wireless charging, LTE, opening apps from the home screen, upgradeable storage, 2K and 4K displays, bigger batteries (some removable), widgets, change default mail and browsers, 4K video recording. I could go on, but basically, Android and Samsung have push the envelope further and faster than Apple has over the past several years. Now with the S-Pen (still better, cheaper and comes with the Note), an even better writing stylus, a Retina Scanner, and it's ALL Water proofed, another feature Apple is late at delivering. Apple purposely holds back on innovations to lure customers along for their next device and it's finally going to bite them in the @ $ $.
 
Why would Apple have the last laugh? As with most of their phones over the past 3+ years, most of the features they've added Android and Samsung devices have already had. Notification drop down, customized keyboards, dual flashes, real live wallpapers, Finger Print Scanners (yeah, the Motorola Atrix beat Apple to it), multi-taking, split screen, wireless charging, LTE, opening apps from the home screen, upgradeable storage, 2K and 4K displays, bigger batteries (some removable), widgets, change default mail and browsers, 4K video recording. I could go on, but basically, Android and Samsung have push the envelope further and faster than Apple has over the past several years. Now with the S-Pen (still better, cheaper and comes with the Note), an even better writing stylus, a Retina Scanner, and it's ALL Water proofed, another feature Apple is late at delivering. Apple purposely holds back on innovations to lure customers along for their next device and it's finally going to bite them in the @ $ $.

Apple might be holding back features too much, but holding back to a certain degree is very important in business. Samsung is recycling stuff for couple of years now.
 
Why would Apple have the last laugh? As with most of their phones over the past 3+ years, most of the features they've added Android and Samsung devices have already had. Notification drop down, customized keyboards, dual flashes, real live wallpapers, Finger Print Scanners (yeah, the Motorola Atrix beat Apple to it), multi-taking, split screen, wireless charging, LTE, opening apps from the home screen, upgradeable storage, 2K and 4K displays, bigger batteries (some removable), widgets, change default mail and browsers, 4K video recording. I could go on, but basically, Android and Samsung have push the envelope further and faster than Apple has over the past several years. Now with the S-Pen (still better, cheaper and comes with the Note), an even better writing stylus, a Retina Scanner, and it's ALL Water proofed, another feature Apple is late at delivering. Apple purposely holds back on innovations to lure customers along for their next device and it's finally going to bite them in the @ $ $.

Because they're better. End of. I've had a lot of Samsung phones and there are utter tosh compared. Samsung always rush things to the market (like with this Iris scanner introduced in the Note 7, which doesn't work if you're wearing glasses, well done) while Apple take their time, do the research and it pays off. If and when Apple introduces a Iris scanner, you'll be able to wear as many damn glasses as you want and it'll still work.

Don't compare the S Pen to the Apple Pencil. I know the S Pen is free but Apple Pencil does so much more.

Oh and that Samsung phone didn't turn out to be waterproof did it? Whichever phone it was.
 
Because they're better. End of. I've had a lot of Samsung phones and there are utter tosh compared. Samsung always rush things to the market (like with this Iris scanner introduced in the Note 7, which doesn't work if you're wearing glasses, well done) while Apple take their time, do the research and it pays off. If and when Apple introduces a Iris scanner, you'll be able to wear as many damn glasses as you want and it'll still work.

Don't compare the S Pen to the Apple Pencil. I know the S Pen is free but Apple Pencil does so much more.

Oh and that Samsung phone didn't turn out to be waterproof did it? Whichever phone it was.

If it was waterproof then it would be something. If they used some cool nano tech to protect against water damage then it would be cool. Now it's just rubber and pray that poor overworked Chinese person applied it correctly. It can fail under the technical parameters and what will you do.
 
I don't find this accurate at all. I've owned the Nexus 5x and now have a have a 6p. The battery life is far superior on the 6p. Battery life and performance on the 5x were both disappointing even considering its low price point. Battery life on the 6p is also far better than any iPhone i've owned (which is several...i switch back and forth every few years)
That is what I would call anecdotal evidence, what is needed a more scientific approach to your experience. You could go through the thorough evaluation of your experience and report that, until then the results from Anandtech are a good reference.
 
Because they're better. End of. I've had a lot of Samsung phones and there are utter tosh compared. Samsung always rush things to the market (like with this Iris scanner introduced in the Note 7, which doesn't work if you're wearing glasses, well done) while Apple take their time, do the research and it pays off. If and when Apple introduces a Iris scanner, you'll be able to wear as many damn glasses as you want and it'll still work.

Don't compare the S Pen to the Apple Pencil. I know the S Pen is free but Apple Pencil does so much more.

Oh and that Samsung phone didn't turn out to be waterproof did it? Whichever phone it was.


Ok, I'm going to **** all over your little argument. I would love for you fire back.

First, they are not better, they simple advertise it like they are, they pretend they are first to the market and the media eats it up and spreads it to the masses via local news who pick up the stories. Fact is, Apple came late to the party with Smart Watches, and as you say, because they don't rush it. So tell me why Apple's Watch can't read people's heart rates with dark skin and tattoos. You'd think a company who sits back and tests their devices for several years would figure that out or at least acknowledge it's a problem when selling it to the media, before, not after they are caught. Fact is, not everything Apple does is a success, just because they "wait it out."

As for the S-Pen, the fact that it is integrated into the Note (a Phone) and not Tablet like the iPad (which the Pencil still isn't integrated into) is impressive. It's even more impressive when you think the Note 5 & 7 are smaller than the iPhone 6/6S Plus, and features a bigger battery and the Stylus. (Side note, for the bigger battery and S-Pen, the Note 7 is only .6mm thicker ANNND the Note 7, with a bigger battery and stylus weight just 169grams, compared to the iPhone 6S Pluses 192grams, despite being heavier Gorilla Glass 5). It now offers over 4,000 levels of pressure sensitivity. For comparisons, Microsoft's Surface has just over 1,000, the Wacom Cintiq has over 2,000, Apple has refused to announce the Pencil's, why? Because it probably falls below the S-Pen, which have about the same level of latency. Apple's Pencil = $99, S-Pen is Free with the Note, if you lose it, it's only $29 to replace. As a graphic designer, illustrator and photographer, I can personally tell you from experience, the Note 5's S-Pen blew me away compared to the slippery Pencil - Oh, and it doesn't have to be freaking charged and with the Note 7's pen, ---- It's freaking Water Proof. Not that you would, but you can freaking use it, on the Note in the ocean.

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Next up, The phone you are referring to is the S7 Active, which had a manufacturing mistake, something that Samsung openly admitted, acknowledged and fixed. All new Actives are shipping and are once again, WaterProof. Unlike the iPhone 4, which Steve Jobs tried to spin as people holding the damn phone "the wrong way." To further hit this point home, the Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge, both released months before the Active were waterproof, never any issues reported on those (they were also rated the highest rating of ANY smartphone by consumer reports) and with the Note 7 and its pen being waterproof, I'd say they figured out waterproofing and they did it without having to take out the 3.5mm audio jack.

I offered you facts above, not opinions (other than how I personally like the S-Pen better) on why you were wrong. Can you do the same or are you just going to hit back with Apple's better, cause they do things better. I want facts, numbers, whatever. Debunk the watch claim, tell me the Apple Pencil has more than 4,000 levels of pressure sensitivity, show me a device from Apple that can survive "longer" and in deeper water than the S7, not just two phones sitting a bowl of water on the counter, which even the S7 would still win. Show me someone writing on their iPad with the Apple Pencil underwater, with no case.

-W

Via GSM Arena:
Note 7:
Dimensions 153.5 x 73.9 x 7.9 mm (6.04 x 2.91 x 0.31 in)
Weight 169 g (5.96 oz)

iPhone 6S Plus:
Dimensions 158.2 x 77.9 x 7.3 mm (6.23 x 3.07 x 0.29 in)
Weight 192 g (6.77 oz)
 
Ok, I'm going to **** all over your little argument. I would love for you fire back.

First, they are not better, they simple advertise it like they are, they pretend they are first to the market and the media eats it up and spreads it to the masses via local news who pick up the stories. Fact is, Apple came late to the party with Smart Watches, and as you say, because they don't rush it. So tell me why Apple's Watch can't read people's heart rates with dark skin and tattoos. You'd think a company who sits back and tests their devices for several years would figure that out or at least acknowledge it's a problem when selling it to the media, before, not after they are caught. Fact is, not everything Apple does is a success, just because they "wait it out."

As for the S-Pen, the fact that it is integrated into the Note (a Phone) and not Tablet like the iPad (which the Pencil still isn't integrated into) is impressive. It's even more impressive when you think the Note 5 & 7 are smaller than the iPhone 6/6S Plus, and features a bigger battery and the Stylus. (Side note, for the bigger battery and S-Pen, the Note 7 is only .6mm thicker ANNND the Note 7, with a bigger battery and stylus weight just 169grams, compared to the iPhone 6S Pluses 192grams, despite being heavier Gorilla Glass 5). It now offers over 4,000 levels of pressure sensitivity. For comparisons, Microsoft's Surface has just over 1,000, the Wacom Cintiq has over 2,000, Apple has refused to announce the Pencil's, why? Because it probably falls below the S-Pen, which have about the same level of latency. Apple's Pencil = $99, S-Pen is Free with the Note, if you lose it, it's only $29 to replace. As a graphic designer, illustrator and photographer, I can personally tell you from experience, the Note 5's S-Pen blew me away compared to the slippery Pencil - Oh, and it doesn't have to be freaking charged and with the Note 7's pen, ---- It's freaking Water Proof. Not that you would, but you can freaking use it, on the Note in the ocean.

[Drops the Mic....picks it back up]

Next up, The phone you are referring to is the S7 Active, which had a manufacturing mistake, something that Samsung openly admitted, acknowledged and fixed. All new Actives are shipping and are once again, WaterProof. Unlike the iPhone 4, which Steve Jobs tried to spin as people holding the damn phone "the wrong way." To further hit this point home, the Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge, both released months before the Active were waterproof, never any issues reported on those (they were also rated the highest rating of ANY smartphone by consumer reports) and with the Note 7 and its pen being waterproof, I'd say they figured out waterproofing and they did it without having to take out the 3.5mm audio jack.

I offered you facts above, not opinions (other than how I personally like the S-Pen better) on why you were wrong. Can you do the same or are you just going to hit back with Apple's better, cause they do things better. I want facts, numbers, whatever. Debunk the watch claim, tell me the Apple Pencil has more than 4,000 levels of pressure sensitivity, show me a device from Apple that can survive "longer" and in deeper water than the S7, not just two phones sitting a bowl of water on the counter, which even the S7 would still win. Show me someone writing on their iPad with the Apple Pencil underwater, with no case.

-W

Via GSM Arena:
Note 7:
Dimensions 153.5 x 73.9 x 7.9 mm (6.04 x 2.91 x 0.31 in)
Weight 169 g (5.96 oz)

iPhone 6S Plus:
Dimensions 158.2 x 77.9 x 7.3 mm (6.23 x 3.07 x 0.29 in)
Weight 192 g (6.77 oz)

Alright fan boi, calm down.

I could easily fire back but I'm not going to waste any more time on a person like yourself.

Have a great day and enjoy your Samsung "phone".
 
Because they're better. End of. I've had a lot of Samsung phones and there are utter tosh compared. Samsung always rush things to the market (like with this Iris scanner introduced in the Note 7, which doesn't work if you're wearing glasses, well done) while Apple take their time, do the research and it pays off. If and when Apple introduces a Iris scanner, you'll be able to wear as many damn glasses as you want and it'll still work.

Don't compare the S Pen to the Apple Pencil. I know the S Pen is free but Apple Pencil does so much more.

Oh and that Samsung phone didn't turn out to be waterproof did it? Whichever phone it was.

Oh one more thing, this quote:

"The iris scanner is set up to work through glasses, as I saw demonstrated several times. This is one feature that's going to take days or weeks of use to see how it actually performs, but in quick testing it worked as advertised."

You can read the whole article over at Android Central - http://www.androidcentral.com/what-you-need-know-about-galaxy-note-7s-iris-scanner
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Alright fan boi, calm down.

I could easily fire back but I'm not going to waste any more time on a person like yourself.

Have a great day and enjoy your Samsung "phone".

Fanboi? Really - Do you not see my photo under my name? Despite that photo being over a year old and the fact that I've lost nearly 60lbs since then (I'd be happy to provide an Instagram account if you need that verified too), that's me and Woz. A good friend. I love Apple, but like Woz, we both are not blind to Apple's faults and can be critical when it's merited. Fanboys like yourself, just can't handle when Apple isn't the best. It's okay to admit Apple is getting outdone. Hopefully next year they return to form.
 
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"The iris scanner is set up to work through glasses, as I saw demonstrated several times. This is one feature that's going to take days or weeks of use to see how it actually performs, but in quick testing it worked as advertised."

You can read the whole article over at Android Central - http://www.androidcentral.com/what-you-need-know-about-galaxy-note-7s-iris-scanner
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Fanboi? Really - Do you not see my photo under my name? Despite that photo being over a year old and the fact that I've lost nearly 60lbs since then (I'd be happy to provide an Instagram account if you need that verified too), that's me and Woz. A good friend. I love Apple, but like Woz, we both are not blind to Apple's faults and can be critical when it's merited. Fanboys like yourself, just can't handle when Apple isn't the best. It's okay to admit Apple is getting outdone. Hopefully next year they return to form.

I'm not a fanboy. I've tried my fair share of Samsung phones and they are rubbish.

I'd admit it if I refused to try Samsung phones but I have.

Just wait. Regardless of our argument, the iPhone 7 will fly off the shelves and I bet you'll get one yourself.
 
Apple is a successful and very profitable company. But it got that way by having profit margins higher than any other manufacturer. Who pays that difference? Again, the Apple buyer. Apple makes out just fine. And you helped pay for Jony Ive's Bentley.

I and and a BILLION others.
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There's a difference. The new Galaxy's have been out since what March? Um - I don't think poor Apple goes to THIS extreme especially right when the Galaxy's go on sale -- thank you... This was pretty desperate by all accounts. iPhone is in it's 10th month of cycle. Galaxy PACKED with new features unlike the iPhone 6s shouldn't need to give away TV'S to get you to switch. No comparison sorry.


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You sure about that?

Sprint: Buy 1 iPhone 6s, get 1 iPhone 6s free

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AT&T: Buy 1 iPhone 6s, get 1 iPhone 6s free

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T Mobile: Buy any new iPhone, get iPhone SE free

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There's been BOGO iPhone offers as far back as the iPhone 4

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Ouch! One day sales?? C'mon buddy you can do better than that. In that the iPhone is in it's 10th month cycle thank you and SAMESONG ran these a MONTH out on the Galaxy. Pretty Desperate I'd say. A TV to get you to buy a phone that's apparently so great and jam packed with so many new features that nobody uses lol??? And then your comparing Apples ONE model to the host of 7 MODELS OF SAMESONG BOGOF's??? Really? This type of offer is nothing less than EMBARRASSING . Period!
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