Samsung Still Has No Idea When the Galaxy Fold Will Launch

[FFR]

I'm aware of that, but strongly disagree that it is Apple's innovation--that's a huge stretch.

It’s a huge stretch for you, but Samsung is just a fabricator here nothing more.

The innovations found are apples, they also contract lg displays for OLED displays, and rumor is Japan display in the fall.

Unless your claiming Japan display and lg are using Samsung technology to fabricate apples OLED display.
Is that what your trying to say?

I believe you are referring to OLED pentile displays, which is an existing technology invented by some small company that Samsung initially licensed from but then bought. It widely used in panels made by Samsung.

So much misinformation, it’s bordering on fud, well at least you started off with “ I believe”.

Samsung has to license OLED and amOLED patents from the company that owns it, so did apple when they decided to make their own OLED displays, first with the Apple Watch and then with the iPhone X.

Samsung display is just a fabricator here nothing more, just like lg display, Japan display, boe, etc etc.

Apple ordering displays with an existing pixel arrangement that exists in many OLED panels and that they had nothing to do with is not an Apple "innovation" just because it's a custom ordered part instead of off-the-shelf.

Yes made to order to apple specifications, as you put it “custom ordered part”

The pixels were different not the arrangent.

That apple OLED display was innovative, it was the first to fold at the bottom to eliminate the chin or bottom bezel entirely from the phone.

“Using innovative folding and circuit stacking technology, the OLED panel follows the curves of the device into the farthest reaches of the corners. Then it uses a process called subpixel anti-aliasing to tune individual pixels for smooth, distortion-free edges.”

This is a cheap dig that has nothing to do with my point.

Why was that a cheap dig?
Samsung display has posted a loss for the last quarter, they are not doing well, neither is Samsung electronics.

You claim Samsung to be true innovators in display, Samsung display isn’t doing well at all.
It’s pretty straightforward

Why should that bother you?

In fact, I'm not even sure why you brought it up or what it has to do with anything. Maybe you mistakenly assume I'm a Samsung supporter and want me to feel bad. I hate Samsung.

If you really don’t care, it shouldn’t bother, should it?

 

[Tech198]

At least they're trying to innovate, unlike Apple shoving down the same stuff down our throats for the past few years and making us pay premium.

True, but the reasons start reversing when features added to existing phones too. eg.g how many companies followed Apple with the removal of the headphone jack ? Very few remain commuted, but most are following the coach.

Although a failure, this is the time Apple should be , once again' in front and teaching others how it's done right. Because they can do it, where others have failed... Its happened so often. it doesn't have to be innovative,, it just has to be right.

 

[ActionableMango]

Why was that a cheap dig?
Why should that bother you?

The balance sheet of a Samsung division is not relevant to whether or not Apple is a display innovator. This is an ad-hominem attack on Samsung, which is a fallacious form of argument.

I've enjoyed debate ever since debate class in high school. But this is also not relevant.

If I ask McDonald's to cut to a Fillet-o-Fish in half and add ketchup, that doesn't make me a sandwich innovator just because I made a custom order, although I'm sure there's some person who would really like that sandwich and think so, just like the notch.

 

[EdT]

There are lots of things that I would complain about as far as iPhones are concerned before I would even consider the notch. FaceID works, it’s evidently reasonably secure, and now that you can have multiple faces stored my wife has simple access to my phone as well, although neither of us had a problem using the 6 number PIN for the others phone either.

Battery life, Apples obsession with making phones thinner and and thinner, cell modems, a lack of a phono jack, and an industry standard charging/communication cable are all things I would put before FaceID. And before I would complain about any of those I would say cost.

Cost, though isn’t an Apple only problem. Samsung is nearly as expensive as Apple for their top of the line phone. The foldable that this post is nominally about, even if it worked well, would have cost you $2000.00.

If Apple could find a way to make my current phone at a cost of no more than $700, where they also make a decent profit, then I would be impressed.

 

[Abazigal]

If I ask McDonald's to cut to a Fillet-o-Fish in half and add ketchup, that doesn't make me a sandwich innovator just because I made a custom order, although I'm sure there's some person who would really like that sandwich and think so, just like the notch.

I see Apple as a restaurant and Samsung as a supplier providing that restaurant with the ingredients they need.

If a chef is able to create a great tasting meal, is the quality of that meal, or the accolades that chef deserves, any less simply because they didn’t grow the ingredients themselves, but instead sourced them from a supplier, as so many restaurants do?

Credit where credit is due. People are paying for Apple’s expertise in putting those parts together in a manner which results in a great user experience for them, just as customers at a restaurant are paying for the chef’s skill in using the assorted ingredients to create a great-tasting meal.

People are simply trying to hard to explain away Apple’s accomplishments and successes when they should really be trying to explain them.

 

[ActionableMango]

I see Apple as a restaurant and Samsung as a supplier providing that restaurant with the ingredients they need.

If a chef is able to create a great tasting meal, is the quality of that meal, or the accolades that chef deserves, any less simply because they didn’t grow the ingredients themselves, but instead sourced them from a supplier, as so many restaurants do?

Credit where credit is due. People are paying for Apple’s expertise in putting those parts together in a manner which results in a great user experience for them, just as customers at a restaurant are paying for the chef’s skill in using the assorted ingredients to create a great-tasting meal.

People are simply trying to hard to explain away Apple’s accomplishments and successes when they should really be trying to explain them.

This is very well said and I agree with all of it.

I disagree that pentile arrangement is innovative on Apple's part.

 

[Abazigal]

This is very well said and I agree with all of it.

I disagree that pentile arrangement is innovative on Apple's part.

That may be true, and that wouldn’t be my main arguing point at any rate.

At the end of the day, the question everyone should be arguing is - does the end product work? Apple has managed to put the various parts together to form the incredibly compelling iPhone XS and XS Max, and I think that counts for a lot.

If so, does it really matter where the parts came from, or whether they are made / designed by Apple itself or sourced from a third party.

Trying to downplay what Apple has managed to accomplish here is nothing more than a red herring, IMO.

Likewise, you would also have a rather innovative piece of tech (like folding screens), but if the end product sucks, that’s equally problematic, because I am not paying for tech; I am paying for a great user experience from the company.

 

[ActionableMango]

Trying to downplay what Apple has managed to accomplish here is nothing more than a red herring, IMO.

I'm not trying to do that. We are getting deep in the weeds away from my point.

My original point in this thread that started all this was that if Company A did X and Company B does not do X, then naturally one shouldn't expect Company B to be a leader in doing X.

It's not meant to downplay Apple at all. The irony is that it defends Apple. One shouldn't disappointed that Apple doesn't lead in display technology because they aren't a display technology company in the first place.

It would be like disappointment in Buffalo Wild Wings for not being a leader in cakes.

 

[PickUrPoison]

This is very well said and I agree with all of it.

I disagree that pentile arrangement is innovative on Apple's part.

The subpixel pentile arrangement definitely has nothing to do with Apple; I’m not sure who came up with that, it might be Samsung. The shape of the green subpixel, however, is something only Apple has. It is more like the blue and red ones.

It gives the display a higher fill rate and is less intense than non-Apple panels. It is apparently partly responsible for the high brightness achieved by the iPhone X.

After it was found on the X, Samsung fans claimed it was Samsung’s innovation and said it would show up on the S9 when it it came out. It didn’t. The XS has the same non-oval green subpixel shape, and the S10 still doesn’t.

Someone at Apple confirmed Apple had done a lot of engineering, specifically at the subpixel level, in order for iPhone X to have better panels than Samsung’s own phones but some Samsung fans still don’t want to acknowledge Apple’s role and continue to credit Samsung. I don’t know where you personally are on the subject, which is not important to me. Make of it what you will. I just wanted to explain the past controversy, which was litigated ad nauseum on Reddit.

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